Give me one good reason not to burn Cubase...

[masaski]

Ok, I've had it. However much I love Cubase for it's intuitive workflow, it's over.

Why does everything I do in Logic just sound fuller, richer and cleaner?

Man, Logic's workflow is total BS - the audio editing is woeful and the exasperating interface is like a child's design BUT this is all about the music right?

And Logic just sounds better.

Right?

[msl]

Start the flame war!



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[Reptil]

eeeehh

[Yoozer]

You're running both on the same computer?

You've compared your output in ABX tests?

Sure it's not simply pan laws or a volume difference?

You're applying the same (3rd party) EQs and plugins or are you using the stock stuff?

I'm not saying you're incorrect - but to get to the bottom of this is to eliminate all possible variables.

(also, to me Cubase is unecessarily complicated and about as fun as Excel on a Friday night. )

[masaski]

Originally Posted by Yoozer

You're running both on the same computer?

You've compared your output in ABX tests?

Sure it's not simply pan laws or a volume difference?

You're applying the same (3rd party) EQs and plugins or are you using the stock stuff?

I'm not saying you're incorrect - but to get to the bottom of this is to eliminate all possible variables.

(also, to me Cubase is unecessarily complicated and about as fun as Excel on a Friday night. )

I have logic on Mac and Cubase on PC. Same spec and with same plugs/vsts.

The mixes just sound bigger, better, warmer, clearer and more solid in Logic. Cubase on the other hand is quieter, harsher, thinner, and just generally blaahhh...

I've been putting off the move for about 3 years. I even have Cubase 6 upstairs on my shelf unused because I have seen the light.

I just wish Cubase would merge with logic. Cubase for workflow, Logic for sound.

[Resonance5]

Originally Posted by Yoozer

(also, to me Cubase is unecessarily complicated and about as fun as Excel on a Friday night. )

unfortunately yes. drums are unprogrammable on it, and it kills creativity when starting from scratch a track.

i continuosly do back and forth from ableton for a lot of tasks.

in cubase though mixing is more tidy and the group features are really killer.

even to me it happened various times that mixes ended up to suck compared to the ableton version.

imo it could depend from the cubase gui, too detailed, i see all the peaks and want to kill them all.

to the Op, most of the times there is no reason to open another comp or eq.

less plugin fx, the best the mix!

[maisonvague]

No comment on modern flavors of Cubase as I quit using it as my primary DAW after Cubase VST 5.

Cubase used to be a rocking program. I first used it on the Atari. It was, of course, MIDI only then. But it was so solid… and deep… yet minimal at the same time. It was not in your face with too much information… and too many colors (there's a lot to be said for monochrome).

Don Solaris has inspired me to bring my Atari STe out of retirement.

I've never been happy with any single DAW. For the past several years I've been using Ableton to work out most of my arrangements and then Pro Tools to track and mix. These two programs compliment each other very well, I feel. Where one is lacking, the other excels.

Personally, I think Cubase peaked at VST 5. After that, it actually started losing functionality and, as it was gradually regained, and surpassed, it became overly complex.

[AikiGhost]

Get rid of both, go out of the box and use audacity!

[msl]

Originally Posted by maisonvague

I've never been happy with any single DAW. For the past several years I've been using Ableton to work out most of my arrangements and then Pro Tools to track and mix. These two programs compliment each other very well, I feel. Where one is lacking, the other excels.

Co-sign

I use a combination of Ableton or Reason into Logic, and and very happy with the quality.


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[lowkey]

Originally Posted by masaski

I have logic on Mac and Cubase on PC. Same spec and with same plugs/vsts.

The mixes just sound bigger, better, warmer, clearer and more solid in Logic. Cubase on the other hand is quieter, harsher, thinner, and just generally blaahhh...

I've been putting off the move for about 3 years. I even have Cubase 6 upstairs on my shelf unused because I have seen the light.

I just wish Cubase would merge with logic. Cubase for workflow, Logic for sound.

Try running Cubase on your Mac and see if there is any difference. Perhaps it's your converters or a driver issue causing the problem. While differences between software summing engines is a very controversial topic your description of Logic sounding better than Cubase seems to go against the grain...

[beatspin]

WTF???

Are you sure its not your head telling you this? Or you use a different audio interface on the different setups....

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by Maximlis

Can you tell me what is cubase? Is it a modem type of item?

I hope for your sake you're not trolling. We'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
also check here http://www.gearslutz.com/board/newbi...al-beta-forum/ for any other questions that may have been answered already.

this isn't a computer related forum so that would be illogical. it is software that is used in audio production. you can record music notes and audio, rearrange those (edit), and then send it out again, simultaniously. in 2012 there are now software instruments and effects that producers can use, inside the DAW (digital audio workstation), these have been around for the last 20 years, in most music (electronic) production. examples of DAWs are Logic, Cubase, Nuendo, Audacity, Protools, Reaper, Sony Acid, Mulab, Garageband, Mixcraft, Ableton Live, Reason Essentials/Record, Digital Performer, Samplitude, Studio One, Sonar and Fruity Loops. there's more, no doubt.

If you're just starting out, Garageband, Mixcraft or Reason Record would be a good place to start. Or jump right in and use Ableton Live, Logic or Cubase.

a simple google search:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_audio_workstation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnxAP7M7AmA

[golden beers]

ok forget if one sounds better than the other. thats all bs. or set up/config.

workflow.. weve had this thread many times: cubase is bloated and not very user friendly.

however, i'm used to its ways and as long as you know how to get out of it what you want then there is no issue. other than it probably takes you alot longer to comlpete some tasks than on other daws.

drums on cuebase are easy. i use audio channels or midi channels and key edit those.


ps. does anyone know if you have any drawing tools in sample edit on cubase6 rather than just the pencil.. which is fuukin annoying

[offki]

Originally Posted by golden beers

drums on cuebase are easy. i use audio channels or midi channels and key edit those.

Yeah, try writing a multi-note, multi instrument drum break in Ableton Live, hope you like switching back between 4 or 5 midi clips and just having to memorise the the position of drums instead of having their names in the piano roll/drum grid.

I'm switching I'm sick of it. Demo'ed x1 last night, Note Editor, Softube Channel Strip (0 cpu), Clip Overlay, Grid, Zoom Midi to screen, Zoom Project to Screen...etc..etc X1. Cubase has been used to write countless Electronic music hits. Dom and Roland use it still, they even posted that here some time ago, Nathan Fake, I could go on, after coffee....

[EvilDragon]

REAPER.

[masaski]

Originally Posted by beatspin

WTF???

Are you sure its not your head telling you this? Or you use a different audio interface on the different setups....

I've tried both Cubase and Logic on the mac, through the same interface. Logic's sound engine is just better.

Ableton IMO is worse than Cubase for thinness.

[offki]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

REAPER.

Thought I had seen that photo before..

I agree Ableton Sounds odd sometimes, who knows why maybe the colours?:P, I am not interested if other do not feel the same, nor do I care about making them feel the same. I'm just saying that is how I feel sometimes.

[AcoosticZoo]

Originally Posted by masaski

Man, Logic's workflow is total BS - the audio editing is woeful and the exasperating interface is like a child's design BUT this is all about the music right?

No problems with audio editing in logic here. Takes a little getting use to. Set up your own personalised shortcut keys and you're good as gold.

Every DAW has familiar functions but different ways to approach the same task. Once you've over comed the steep learning curves of a new DAW, you'll find that most modern top tier DAWS are pretty much equal (more or less).

Not saying that your opinion is wrong though. Perhaps the difference between cubase and logic is really that significant as per your requirements/experience/work flow.

If you could get a friend to teach you the ins/outs of logic - I'm sure you'd be able to use Logic as your only DAW and indeed (as you posted) "burn" Cubase!

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

[WDM]

Originally Posted by maisonvague

No comment on modern flavors of Cubase as I quit using it as my primary DAW after Cubase VST 5.

Cubase used to be a rocking program. I first used it on the Atari. It was, of course, MIDI only then. But it was so solid… and deep… yet minimal at the same time. It was not in your face with too much information… and too many colors (there's a lot to be said for monochrome).

Don Solaris has inspired me to bring my Atari STe out of retirement.

I've never been happy with any single DAW. For the past several years I've been using Ableton to work out most of my arrangements and then Pro Tools to track and mix. These two programs compliment each other very well, I feel. Where one is lacking, the other excels.

Personally, I think Cubase peaked at VST 5. After that, it actually started losing functionality and, as it was gradually regained, and surpassed, it became overly complex.

It's funny but I got exactly the same feeling ...
I should state first that I quit on SX 3 and it was quite a long time ago.

Recently I discovered few old Cubase projects on my backup disks that I completely forgot about and I had some free time, so I've installed VST 5 on my very old PC (just for fun, and I am still keeping that parallel port protection chip lol), opened those projects and played with Cubase itself.

My impression was... Wow... what all those development guys are doing all this time? Rewriting user interface over and over again to keep up with OS updates? Oh yea, they've added some plugins too.

[samsam]

Originally Posted by offki

Yeah, try writing a multi-note, multi instrument drum break in Ableton Live, hope you like switching back between 4 or 5 midi clips and just having to memorise the the position of drums instead of having their names in the piano roll/drum grid.

Yeah, Ableton really do need to add a feature whereby all drum sounds could be grouped together with names appearing on the left of the piano roll. They could call it 'Drum Racks' or something.

[offki]

Originally Posted by samsam

Yeah, Ableton really do need to add a feature whereby all drum sounds could be grouped together with names appearing on the left of the piano roll. They could call it 'Drum Racks' or something.

Yeah, try reading it again special boy

Yeah, try writing a multi-note, multi instrument drum break in Ableton Live, hope you like switching back between 4 or 5 midi clips and just having to memorise the the position of drums instead of having their names in the piano roll/drum grid.

So should I run an instance of Kontakt for every tuned percussive hit, maybe I should just rebuild the 127 velocity layers for each pitch inside sample.

Furthermore, everything inside a Drum Racks runs off the same core, not great. Pretty much every other DAW lists the names of instruments when you load BFD2 or Battery for instance.

[datune]

I have been using Cubase for close to the last 18 years, overall no major issues with it. I have no idea why some of you think it is complicated (let alone bloated!!!), but I guess it is all a matter of personal preference (and you know, actually RTFM!).

I really disagree that Cubase has peaked at VST 5, I'll take Cubase 6 over ANY other Cubase version anytime of the day ;-)

Claiming one sound engine is better than the other just shows that you have absolutely no clue as to how the software works (and why should you), but as a software developer, I think I know a thing or two about it, and I can tell you, there is no difference (in sound engines). I am willing to take on any bet for someone to do a blind test with their chosen piece of (stemmed even) music played through either DAW; you will not be able to hear a difference. These type of claims are about as serious as those audiophools tricked into thinking a $7000 dollar "insertBrandHere" cable is going to improve their sound, it's not.

$7,250 Speaker Cables Turn You Into a Dancin' Fool

[Antn]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

REAPER.

Exactly

[newdigitaluser]

Originally Posted by masaski

Ok, I've had it. However much I love Cubase for it's intuitive workflow, it's over.

Why does everything I do in Logic just sound fuller, richer and cleaner?

Man, Logic's workflow is total BS - the audio editing is woeful and the exasperating interface is like a child's design BUT this is all about the music right?

And Logic just sounds better.

Right?

are you a logic salesman ?
that could be why you think its better


dont blame the tools

its what you do with them
that makes the sound

[samsam]

Originally Posted by offki

Yeah, try reading it again special boy



So should I run an instance of Kontakt for every tuned percussive hit, maybe I should just rebuild the 127 velocity layers for each pitch inside sample.

Furthermore, everything inside a Drum Racks runs off the same core, not great. Pretty much every other DAW lists the names of instruments when you load BFD2 or Battery for instance.

pwned.

Though in my defence rather than my reading it again you could have made it clearer.

Thanks for finding me special.

[projectwoofer]

Nuendo is as good as (and actually better than) Cubase and uses about 20% less CPU power (identical projects with the same plugs and vsts tested on an old single core laptop)...so there must be something different in the engine.

[e-are]

Originally Posted by masaski

Ok, I've had it. However much I love Cubase for it's intuitive workflow, it's over.

Why does everything I do in Logic just sound fuller, richer and cleaner?

Man, Logic's workflow is total BS - the audio editing is woeful and the exasperating interface is like a child's design BUT this is all about the music right?

And Logic just sounds better.

Right?

If you using them on different systems, you are using different converters / sound cards. Think that would have something to do with it? Of course it would. I know people with different daws and the sound of the engines are not that different. Certainly, I could use any of them with no problems what so ever. I don't think its the program that you are hearing the differences. Work flow, definitely, there's a difference.
My $0.02.


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[offki]

Originally Posted by projectwoofer

Nuendo is as good as (and actually better than) Cubase and uses about 20% less CPU power (identical projects with the same plugs and vsts tested on an old single core laptop)...so there must be something different in the engine.

Hmm yeah, some DAWS seem to report more or less CPU usage for the same plug ins too, anyone explain this?

[kcearl]

they sound the same

[maisonvague]

Originally Posted by datune

I really disagree that Cubase has peaked at VST 5, I'll take Cubase 6 over ANY other Cubase version anytime of the day ;-)

Just for the record, I wasn't entirely serious. I am certain Cubase 6 is light-years ahead of Cubase VST. When I wrote "peaked" I was speaking more in terms of balance: I felt Cubase VST 5 achieved a good balance between features, workflow, stability, compatibility etc. You had a solid MIDI sequencer with audio capabilities (clumsy at times, but usable), the VST standard, rewire, ASIO, etc. It was really a remarkable achievement at the time. I used it on both Mac OS 9 and Windows98 (two very good platforms for music production BTW - though of course I'd never want to return to them).

Although I quit at VST 5, I continued having to deal with Cubase SX for awhile with collaborators, so I used it when at their studios. Any long-time Cubase users should remember the long and bumpy road from VST to SX and all the missing features (Mixer Maps anyone?).

As for Cubase 6 not sounding as "good" I ain't going there!