Give me one good reason not to burn Cubase...

[RobJB06]

Ive been using Cubase since the beginning.. recently started using Ableton.
I like Cubase, but Logic has much better basic plug ins and instruments.
Plus all the multi- windows in Cubase is a pain, they could streamline it a bit more so that you dont have all these bloody windows open everywhere.. even with 2 decent size monitors, its still a little akward, Ableton is much better in this respect.

[datune]

Originally Posted by maisonvague

Just for the record, I wasn't entirely serious. I am certain Cubase 6 is light-years ahead of Cubase VST. When I wrote "peaked" I was speaking more in terms of balance: I felt Cubase VST 5 achieved a good balance between features, workflow, stability, compatibility etc. You had a solid MIDI sequencer with audio capabilites (clumsy at times, but usable), the VST standard, rewire, ASIO, etc. It was really a remarkable achievement at the time. I used it on both Mac OS 9 and Windows98 (two very good platforms for music production BTW - though of course I'd never want to return to them).

Although I quit at VST 5, I continued having to deal with Cubase SX for awhile with collaborators, so I used it when at their studios. Any long-time Cubase users should remember the long and bumpy road from VST to SX and all the missing features (Mixer Maps anyone?).

Not to worry Clark, I figured as much and I see now what you ment with "peaking", I completely agree, including the SX "fiasco" (although with SX3 things were fine I dare say. I can't remember exactly, but I think I switched from VST 5 to SX 3, so VST5 was indeed very good at the time. In fact, I know that many producers stuck with VST5 for a long time, refusing to upgrade to SX for the longest time...)

Originally Posted by maisonvague

As for Cubase 6 not sounding as "good" I ain't going there!

Yes, you are much smarter than me, I failed to stay away from it, even as I was typing I knew I should just let it go...oh well

[masaski]

Originally Posted by AcoosticZoo

No problems with audio editing in logic here. Takes a little getting use to. Set up your own personalised shortcut keys and you're good as gold.

Every DAW has familiar functions but different ways to approach the same task. Once you've over comed the steep learning curves of a new DAW, you'll find that most modern top tier DAWS are pretty much equal (more or less).

Not saying that your opinion is wrong though. Perhaps the difference between cubase and logic is really that significant as per your requirements/experience/work flow.

If you could get a friend to teach you the ins/outs of logic - I'm sure you'd be able to use Logic as your only DAW and indeed (as you posted) "burn" Cubase!

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

I've been using Logic alongside Cubase for around 3 years now, although Cubase has been my 'go to' DAW. I just don't dig Logic as a program. Hence my dilemma...I find it really remedial and some things really time consuming compared to Cubase BUT - it sounds better. So I have to move.

[masaski]

Originally Posted by datune

I have been using Cubase for close to the last 18 years, overall no major issues with it. I have no idea why some of you think it is complicated (let alone bloated!!!), but I guess it is all a matter of personal preference (and you know, actually RTFM!).

I really disagree that Cubase has peaked at VST 5, I'll take Cubase 6 over ANY other Cubase version anytime of the day ;-)

Claiming one sound engine is better than the other just shows that you have absolutely no clue as to how the software works (and why should you), but as a software developer, I think I know a thing or two about it, and I can tell you, there is no difference (in sound engines). I am willing to take on any bet for someone to do a blind test with their chosen piece of (stemmed even) music played through either DAW; you will not be able to hear a difference. These type of claims are about as serious as those audiophools tricked into thinking a $7000 dollar "insertBrandHere" cable is going to improve their sound, it's not.

$7,250 Speaker Cables Turn You Into a Dancin' Fool

You're obviously too much in love with Cubase to make a balanced judgement. I've been using Steinberg products since Pro 24.

How else can I make my decision? The music I make in Logic sounds better, louder, warmer, richer than the same set up in Cubase (on both Mac and PC).

[datune]

Originally Posted by masaski

You're obviously too much in love with Cubase to make a balanced judgement. I've been using Steinberg products since Pro 24.

How else can I make my decision? The music I make in Logic sounds better, louder, warmer, richer than the same set up in Cubase (on both Mac and PC).

Obviously? Really? I was unaware that you knew me so well, spooky! I think most everything has been said on this thread to help you figure this out, I have nothing of value to add, other than enjoy making music in logic I guess

[RRCHON]

I will never understand why people get into heated arguments over how software sounds or does not sound.

The result is what matters and if you prefer Logic to Cubase than that is what you prefer, regardless of the why the what is the only thing that matters here.

I have a hammer I bought at TrueValue about 10 years ago and many that I've bought since then at various other stores (I misplace things a lot then find them later) out of the 5 or 6 hammers I have the old TrueValue hammer is my favorite regardless of the others being graphite or carbon-carbon or shiny logos and stuff, I just like it better.

In the end, this is a question of personal taste and if you can get your music to sound the way you want by using tool X rather than Y than by all means use what you like.

I like the way the night sky looks over the south of France, and tough I know for a fact that it is the same sky I see up here in Philadelphia when am there it just seems different, and that's all that matters to me.

[chuckduffy]

Originally Posted by projectwoofer

Nuendo is as good as (and actually better than) Cubase and uses about 20% less CPU power (identical projects with the same plugs and vsts tested on an old single core laptop)...so there must be something different in the engine.

That could amount to *one line* of inefficient code in a critical loop that takes 5 cycles to execute instead of one. Same mathematical result, same audio result, drastically different CPU utilization.

[daez]

If you think logic sounds better use logic. The more you use anything the less it get's in the way and becomes more second nature. As long as your where you need to be when you need to be there who cares how you get there. I've used cakewalk, cubase, nuendo, protools, logic, live, reason, maschine, samplitude, fruityloops, and others over the years and to me in the end they all sound like my soundcard....

[p_wats]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

REAPER.

+ 1...billion

[Rogue Ai]

Originally Posted by offki

Dom and Roland use it still, they even posted that here some time ago,

Dom and Roland is one guy. Not a group. lol

http://soundcloud.com/rogue-ai/bring-back-the-groove

Also, this was recorded in Cubase. Does this sound thin? I think not.

[offki]

Originally Posted by Rogue Ai

Dom and Roland is one guy. Not a group. lol

Bring Back The Groove by Rogue Ai on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Also, this was recorded in Cubase. Does this sound thin? I think not.

Wait, one guy? So whas that I let bum me? Noooooooooooooo

[Raddler]

Originally Posted by golden beers

ok forget if one sounds better than the other. thats all bs. or set up/config.

I disagree, DAWS do have different sounds imo. I've spent more time comparing the sound engines of Ableton, logic, and cubase than I have making music ( don't attack me, I got ocd problems....). They each have different sonic characters imo. I love the sound of logic however..

[Oh...]

You gona burn it to a cd bro?

[slippast]

Originally Posted by WDM

It's funny but I got exactly the same feeling ...
I should state first that I quit on SX 3 and it was quite a long time ago.

Recently I discovered few old Cubase projects on my backup disks that I completely forgot about and I had some free time, so I've installed VST 5 on my very old PC (just for fun, and I am still keeping that parallel port protection chip lol), opened those projects and played with Cubase itself.

My impression was... Wow... what all those development guys are doing all this time? Rewriting user interface over and over again to keep up with OS updates? Oh yea, they've added some plugins too.

It's like the Photoshop Curse. Once you've written a piece of software that covers 97% of the use-case what else is there? You need to get people into the upgrade cycle somehow.

I've been Using Photoshop since version 1.0 and I have to say that I haven't really used any of the new features since v5.5 (I think it's on 11 now?). Same thing is true with Cubase. I had SX1 and pretty much everything I learned there has gotten me by.

The only reason I see to upgrade is to get software that can utilize new hardware and will run on newer computers.

[dankelly]

Originally Posted by offki

Yeah, try writing a multi-note, multi instrument drum break in Ableton Live, hope you like switching back between 4 or 5 midi clips and just having to memorise the the position of drums instead of having their names in the piano roll/drum

Is there a way to do this in logic?

[Marcus909]

Originally Posted by dankelly

Is there a way to do this in logic?

Yes.

[krheatman]

Originally Posted by masaski

I have logic on Mac and Cubase on PC. Same spec and with same plugs/vsts.

The mixes just sound bigger, better, warmer, clearer and more solid in Logic. Cubase on the other hand is quieter, harsher, thinner, and just generally blaahhh...

I've been putting off the move for about 3 years. I even have Cubase 6 upstairs on my shelf unused because I have seen the light.

I just wish Cubase would merge with logic. Cubase for workflow, Logic for sound.

What are you using as an interface and/or soundcard for each.

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[krheatman]

Originally Posted by projectwoofer

Nuendo is as good as (and actually better than) Cubase and uses about 20% less CPU power (identical projects with the same plugs and vsts tested on an old single core laptop)...so there must be something different in the engine.

What versions are you comparing?

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[dankelly]

Originally Posted by Marcus909

Yes.

How?

[Marcus909]

Originally Posted by dankelly

How?

I don't know. I don't use Logic but I've seen it done before (in Logic 9).

[KRE8A]

Logic is the best, chuck out the rest

[kilon]

There is no Logic in using Cubase. Except if your Reason is to do something Live and be a Digital Performer. But even in that case is like doing Fruity Loops while drinking ACID.

[fuzulu]

Originally Posted by kilon

There is no Logic in using Cubase. Except if your Reason is to do something Live and be a Digital Performer. But even in that case is like doing Fruity Loops while drinking ACID.

hahahahahahahahaha toooo gooooood !!!!

[projectwoofer]

Originally Posted by krheatman

What versions are you comparing?

Cubase 4 and 5 to Nuendo 4

[krheatman]

Originally Posted by projectwoofer

Cubase 4 and 5 to Nuendo 4

I know Cubase 4 has the Nuendo 3 engine,pretty sure it said that in its advertising when it came out.Cubase 5 is most likely the same as Nuendo 4.Cubase 6 does not support xp,does Nuendo 5?
I read a post by a developer that said the engines were the same anyway.It doesn't mean that each program is set up identically though.You can run a Cubase project in Nuendo I know.I would email Steinberg and ask them first to verify anything as my info is mostly hearsay for the most part.

I use Cubase 5 & 6,Wavelab 7,Protools 9.On MAC and PC.
Recording at 44.1/24.
There is no difference by the time you get the material to the mastering stage.
Although someone with a Protools HD rig might disagree.

It is more important what you have on the frontside of the DAW than what happens inside.I have never had a DAW collapse a mix or make a source sound less open.Get it the way you want it going in.


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[derekf208]

Originally Posted by Raddler

I disagree, DAWS do have different sounds imo. I've spent more time comparing the sound engines of Ableton, logic, and cubase than I have making music ( don't attack me, I got ocd problems....). They each have different sonic characters imo. I love the sound of logic however..

For the love of god, will someone please explain to me how one DAW can sound different from another?

Are you simply talking about the instruments and plugins? Which would make sense. Or are you actually saying that if I load the same audio file into two different DAWs, they will each sound different??? Why does that seem ridiculous? Please, educate me here.

[derekf208]

Myth busted!

Sound Quality: Live versus Logic