If you want dynamics listen to classical

[StringBean]

Seriously, electronic music is not conducive to a wide range of dynamics: its repetitive and aesthetically-driven. People always complain about how the music today is over-squashed but they dont have the discipline to listen to music from centuries before, where dynamics are integral to the music-making process. Just listen to a great recording of the famous prelude and fugue by bach and tell me that same principle couldnt be applied to electronic music. But someone has to have the balls and skill to do it. So do it!

[_Haarp]

Oh come now. i could easily see handel cranking up l2 to get some more volume.

Is a very different situation, what you are talking about is live and performed in special areas that help the sounds. you are comparing the skills of 40+ to maybe just 1, real instruments to digital/analog.

I agree with your point in principal though. But that is life today, many complain but never offer a better soloution. Let them get on with it i say.

[7 Hz]

4/10

Not enough caps, swearing, or name calling to be an effective troll.

[newguy1]

Originally Posted by StringBean

Seriously, electronic music is not conducive to a wide range of dynamics: its repetitive and aesthetically-driven. People always complain about how the music today is over-squashed but they dont have the discipline to listen to music from centuries before, where dynamics are integral to the music-making process. Just listen to a great recording of the famous prelude and fugue by bach and tell me that same principle couldnt be applied to electronic music. But someone has to have the balls and skill to do it. So do it!

Dynamics haven't been a big part of music in decades, since it started being recorded. Other sonic contrasts tend to be more effective than volume changes.

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by _Haarp

Oh come now. i could easily see handel cranking up l2 to get some more volume.

No way dude, Handel always said 'ITB ist nicht warmen enough fur me'... he would be a strictly Drawmer only cat.

[Simonator]

Dynamics-

[_Haarp]

Originally Posted by Simonator

No way dude, Handel always said 'ITB ist nicht warmen enough fur me'... he would be a strictly Drawmer only cat.

thats what he said, in practise i know he was using a very early cubase beta, i saw motzart tweet it.

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by _Haarp

thats what he said, in practise i know he was using a very early cubase beta, i saw motzart tweet it.

The sly ficker.

[golden beers]

biosphere substrata

[Simonator]

To try to respond more seriously to teh OP-

It's all about finding your own preferred amount of dynamics- suitable for your own genre & specific production.

If you don't leave sufficient dynamics in, there is no contrasting bounce in your bass end, and you just end up with BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH instead of BOM__BOM__BAM__NAH__NAH... the latter is far more effective on a dance-floor.

[krykrykry]

There are plenty of electronic artists who incorporate huge amounts of dynamics into their work, but OP wouldn't know this as he doesn't have time for such piffle.

An obvious example would be Squarepusher (Tom Jenkinson), who very much 'has the balls and skill' to pull off incredibly intricate and fascinating work. OP, listen to Go Plastic by Squarepusher then complain about dynamics in electronic music.

(Although OP is probably a troll.)

[soundxplorer]

Originally Posted by StringBean

Seriously, electronic music is not conducive to a wide range of dynamics: its repetitive and aesthetically-driven.

When you said "electronic music" in that sentence, I'm sure you really meant "the extremely limited scope of music that I listen to, which also happens to be electronic in nature".

[_Haarp]

Originally Posted by krykrykry

(Although OP is probably a troll.)

Man, I am telling you that is some pretty poor trolling if he is.

[boon]

Originally Posted by StringBean

Seriously, electronic music is not conducive to a wide range of dynamics: its repetitive and aesthetically-driven. People always complain about how the music today is over-squashed but they dont have the discipline to listen to music from centuries before, where dynamics are integral to the music-making process. Just listen to a great recording of the famous prelude and fugue by bach and tell me that same principle couldnt be applied to electronic music. But someone has to have the balls and skill to do it. So do it!

obviously, you haven't listened to much electronic music

[_Haarp]

Originally Posted by boon

obviously, you haven't listened to much electronic music

What is this? Deleted scenes from twin peaks?

[Beermaster]

Originally Posted by newguy1

Dynamics haven't been a big part of music in decades, since it started being recorded. Other sonic contrasts tend to be more effective than volume changes.

[Oh...]

The OP seems to have forgotten that this topic only seems like an issue be cause people in the Internet just mindlessly repeat shit they hear others say when they have no actual idea what they are even saying.

[_Haarp]

How can I detune dynamics?

[Oh...]

Originally Posted by _Haarp

How can I detune dynamics?

Boost the second order harmonic by a factor equal to the Q of the mid-side dynamic LPF on the drum buss just to add a little sweetening to the sidechain which is ran parallel (NYC style) to the corresponding desser so you can get a little hair out of the VCA opto-opamp transformers

Mmm, the result?

Creamy tapey punchy analog goodness baked into the smooth round warm and fat essence of the sharp mix-cutting width of the depth and balls-having glassy shimmer of the sheen placed on the pumpy gritty tasty power.

And warmth.

[moneyforsluts]

When you said "electronic music" in that sentence, I'm sure you really meant "the extremely limited scope of music that I listen to, which also happens to be electronic in nature".

obviously, you haven't listened to much electronic music

In fairness, weighted by listeners, most electronic music does not have a great deal of dynamics.

[audslu]

@op seriously?!

[complex]

come on guys it all depends on the tune your mastering, has it got a lot of dynamics to being with? and is it meant for dance floor cos if so crank it up!! if it a classical piece of more ambient you would be a donkeys right arm **** spanner if you think cranking it up to 4/5/6/7 dB GR would make it sound good. Anyway why not automate the L3/Ozone threshold for certain points on the track beat high break downs low

[complex]

Originally Posted by Oh...

Creamy tapey punchy analog goodness baked into the smooth round warm and fat essence of the sharp mix-cutting width of the depth and balls-having glassy shimmer of the sheen placed on the pumpy gritty tasty power.

And warmth.

^ Digital textual ear porn

[gremlin moon]

I was listening to some Shostakovich on YT awhile back and the highest rated comment was "Hear the filth drop @1.:34." I think this thread is not a troll it just shows how a lot of people keep discovering it and being suitably impressed.

Along with all of the I'm wasted and crying comments my other favorite highest rated comment for classical is from a solo performance of Bach's "Sleepers Awake" which said something like," why is there always some ****er coughing and ruining it for everybody else?"

[Resonance5]

Originally Posted by StringBean

Seriously, electronic music is not conducive to a wide range of dynamics: its repetitive and aesthetically-driven.

i think you're speaking of another kind of "dynamics"...

[ownlife]

I personally find the dynamics-less trend in dance music just fatigueing to my ears and brain. A kick drum SHOULD pound in techno and house music, that's all good. I really don't need the hi hats slicing holes in my eardrums. I don't need aggressive midrange clipping either. And I wear custom musician's earplugs! I imagine people who listen to this kind of stuff on crappy overdriven soundsystems are all going to go extremely deaf very prematurely. A good soundsystem on a nicely mastered disco 12" is perfect, just enough loudness on the low end to bump properly compared to an LP or 45 cut, but enough dynamic range to breathe and sound beautiful and not painful.

[Teknobeam]

Originally Posted by ownlife

I imagine people who listen to this kind of stuff on crappy overdriven soundsystems are all going to go extremely deaf very prematurely.

You can count on it. It's common to see DJ's with a pair of Mackie SRM450's about two feet away from either ear at full output. I'm down a few notches at some frequencies in one ear from standing next to a large keyboard monitor for a few years 6 nights a week. And the SPL coming out of that thing was nowhere near what people are listening to these days.

[_Haarp]

someone just told me baba yaga was written with fruity loops chord generator.

[The Hamburglar]

I read this forum for information on new gear. The 'philosophy' aspect is perpetually embarrassing.

[Kaoz]

Pretty sure nobody records a violin with a 57 these days.


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