Unprocessed kick sample library ? Does it even exist ?

[ssido]

Hello,

I'm producing electronic music, and I've tried a lot of drum sample library, but I just wasn't able to find a library with unprocessed kicks. I mean, I've tried Vengeance samples, Thomas Penton, Deadmau5's Xfer pack, but it feels like ALL the kicks have been squashed through a limiter/saturator/whatever. Whenever I try to use them in a track, they end up sounding way too harsh and distorted, even before I start to squash my drum bus. I just don't know where to look to now to find a good kick library, with kicks i can happily layer / eq / compress without sounding extremely saturated.

Obivously, I've got some clean 909/808 samples, and an elektron machinedrum, but I feel somewhat limited by those...

So my question is, do you know any good sample library with unprocessed or very lightly processed kicks ?

[Karloff70]

Search Slappers&Fluffers and ye shall find what ye seek.

[ssido]

Oh, those sounds great ! I'll take this in consideration.

[Everbeatz]

+1 on Slappers and Fluffers - great pack, extremely useful just because of the fact those don't fit into category of squashed/overprocessed. You won't regret buying those...

[Demonjohn]

Planet drum machine.

[bensaddiction]

Driven Machine Drums - by a guy here on Gearslutz actually.

[golden beers]

Originally Posted by bensaddiction

Driven Machine Drums - by a guy here on Gearslutz actually.

unprocessed?

[gremlin moon]

BFD has dry acoustic kicks if that's what you mean. Geist has a BFD sample pack with dry kicks. I remember the very first time I played a drum kit, I was like this isn't how drums sound on the radio lol.

[ssido]

thank you for all your answers, I'll take a look at all those packs !

[Alkamist]

You can always draw your kicks with a pencil tool... What nobody does that?

[ssido]

because usually people aren't very good at drawing sine pulses ?

[Alkamist]

You could always layer one under the transients you draw. I was only kidding though

[ssido]

Yeah, I'll stick to drawing just the envelope

[Ham]

vengeance and the deadmau5 packs are possibly the most compressed libraries ever. anything will sound good to you after having used those. check out goldbaby i like their hats a lot

[DSK]

Actually contrary to peoples beliefs some producers re-squash their drums.

Some of them sample them from vinyl/cd's etc ( a la Vengeance) and then just use a good compressor to destroy them even more.

If you want custom drums you should start from the source. Alas many people have fallen disappointed with bare 909 or 808 when they found out that it takes more than a drum machine to get instant punchy/commercial sound.

Driven Machine Drums are what it says on the tin : driven!

Even if they are driven that doesn't mean you can't push them. Driven means saturated not squashed.

Nathaniel has made them long and dynamic (but saturated for presence not for distortion!) so you can twist them in your own way.

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by Ham

vengeance and the deadmau5 packs are possibly the most compressed libraries ever. anything will sound good to you after having used those. check out goldbaby i like their hats a lot

Agreed.

I think that rather than totally 'unprocessed', the OP just needs something that's not squashed to ****.

[Greg_KPX]

Is there even a market for unprocessed/lightly touched up kick drum samples?

I'd say most people who need raw sounds get the source instruments to tweak and fit to the track, the rest just like to have samples ready to go, already sounding good (or bad).

[Susceptor]

You have a Machinedrum. That should suffice for "unprocessed" drums.
If you want acoustic, get BFD and Joe Baressi's Evil Drums (for example).

[CoolColJ]

I have a sample CD back from the 90s with all kinds of drum machines, raw and dry. Pretty cool. So I would suggest looking into older stuff

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Greg_KPX

Is there even a market for unprocessed/lightly touched up kick drum samples?

I'd say most people who need raw sounds get the source instruments to tweak and fit to the track, the rest just like to have samples ready to go, already sounding good (or bad).

There's a big difference in samples sounding "slot right into a mix-good" and samples sounding "impress the inexperienced, big wow, wooops, didn't really like it in the mix though". Processing, sure, just not overcooked to impress out of context. Sounds like the OP has learned the difference. And my feedback says, yep, definitely a market there.......

[ssido]

Originally Posted by Susceptor

You have a Machinedrum. That should suffice for "unprocessed" drums.
If you want acoustic, get BFD and Joe Baressi's Evil Drums (for example).

Yeah, the machinedrum is quite versatile when it comes to pure electronic kicks, but I'm often looking for a more organic sound, that I just can't recreate only with the MD.

[Susceptor]

As I said, if you want acoustic, go with some good sample libs (Joe Barresi is one of them). Also, look into ethnic sample libs (West Africa comes to mind now). Or sample a kick from an ethnic percussion loop / song. Furthermore, remember that a lot of ethnic sounds can be ptichshifted into really nice sounding kicks.

[ssido]

Okay thanks, I'll try.

[golden beers]

Originally Posted by Greg_KPX

Is there even a market for unprocessed/lightly touched up kick drum samples?

I'd say most people who need raw sounds get the source instruments to tweak and fit to the track, the rest just like to have samples ready to go, already sounding good (or bad).

there is a market for sure. it's niche but its there. i have a vested interest in this subject so i've paid full attention when it comes up, and it comes up quite often actually.

[FeelAudio(Matt)]

There are dry versions of the kicks and drums in our NDS-1 pack, alongside slightly processed variations. Links in my sig.

[FeelAudio(Matt)]

I think there is a market too, its just a level of flexiblity you need in your tools when your working with samples to me. Better to have the option of dry, lightly effected etc?

[backplay]

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Analogue Drums: Drum samples from tape. Free 135MB Ludwig kit. Kontakt, Battery, EXS24 compatability.

[GeorgeHayduke]

Originally Posted by Greg_KPX

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I'd say most people who need raw sounds get the source instruments to tweak and fit to the track, the rest just like to have samples ready to go, already sounding good (or bad).

I don't personally have room/money for tracking a real drum kit and don't own a single drum machine. I don't use loops and do all my drums (electronic and acoustic) by programming/playing pads and using samples, but with the heavy proccessed samples it's really hard to get a 'personal' and non-squashed sound.

Finding raw unprocessed drums (real and sampled) is indeed a major pain. Perhaps developers are afraid that newb cut-and-paste 'musicians' are gonna review them badly or something, there is certainly a market. I found some good acoustic ones over the years though. Many of them free from other forum posters

[thomas_lang]

I had a great heap of drum samples from Turnkey (UK synth/music store - now defunct i think) a while ago on my old pc in the UK. Not sure whether it was some kind of joint venture with another company but it covered everything in dry/unprocessed samples from the classic machines to kits. May be up online somewhere but not sure.

[AikiGhost]

Originally Posted by bensaddiction

Driven Machine Drums - by a guy here on Gearslutz actually.

Good drum hits but processed to **** and back. The clues in the name