Unprocessed kick sample library ? Does it even exist ?

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

I have a sample CD back from the 90s with all kinds of drum machines, raw and dry. Pretty cool. So I would suggest looking into older stuff

It's called Prosonics Mega Beats collection - I ordered from an ad in a UK Music mag back in the early 90s when sample CDs were the new thing.

has raw dry sounds from 30 odd drum machines - over 700 sounds
good quality

Roland R8
Simmons Kit
Yamaha RX21L
Roland TR707
Roland TR727
Linn 9000
Roland TR808
Akai XR10
Yamaha RX11
Sequential Tom
Casio RZ1
Korg KPR77
Roland TR606
Boss DR550
Linn 2
Korg DDM110
Korg DDM220
Roland TR626
Oberheim DMX
EMU Drumulator
Roland TR909
Yamaha RX5
Akai XE8
Korg DDD1
Roland TR505
Dr. Bohm
Boss DR55
Alesis HR16
Roland CR78
Alesis HR16B

[golden beers]

yea i've got that too. it's pretty extensive

[TacosWhenTwisted]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

It's called Prosonics Mega Beats collection - I ordered from an ad in a UK Music mag back in the early 90s when sample CDs were the new thing.

has raw dry sounds from 30 odd drum machines - over 700 sounds
good quality

Roland R8
Simmons Kit
Yamaha RX21L
Roland TR707
Roland TR727
Linn 9000
Roland TR808
Akai XR10
Yamaha RX11
Sequential Tom
Casio RZ1
Korg KPR77
Roland TR606
Boss DR550
Linn 2
Korg DDM110
Korg DDM220
Roland TR626
Oberheim DMX
EMU Drumulator
Roland TR909
Yamaha RX5
Akai XE8
Korg DDD1
Roland TR505
Dr. Bohm
Boss DR55
Alesis HR16
Roland CR78
Alesis HR16B

but is it entirely unprocessed and raw? a few sample CD makers have that collection, but one seems to have borrowed from the other and added their own processing, so its hard to find that collection raw and untouched.

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by TacosWhenTwisted

but is it entirely unprocessed and raw? a few sample CD makers have that collection, but one seems to have borrowed from the other and added their own processing, so its hard to find that collection raw and untouched.

But then in my reality it doesn't have to be totally unprocessed. Just not 'overprocessed to impress' instead of somehow useful within a mix. Totally unprocessed is not a requirement.

[ssido]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

But then in my reality it doesn't have to be totally unprocessed. Just not 'overprocessed to impress' instead of somehow useful within a mix. Totally unprocessed is not a requirement.

Yep, that's exactly what I think. The only really annoying thing is those limited/saturated to death kicks like those in vengeance sample packs, they may sometimes sounds cool when heard alone, but whenever you try to mix them it's shit.

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by TacosWhenTwisted

but is it entirely unprocessed and raw? a few sample CD makers have that collection, but one seems to have borrowed from the other and added their own processing, so its hard to find that collection raw and untouched.

raw and naked

[PlatinumSamples]

https://www.platinumsamples.com/JoeBarresi.php

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[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by cup-of-coffee

Yeah I think a lot of these sample packs are only good in isolation.

Another thing is the levels of samples, 99% of them are hitting 0db or -0.01db

Lagerfeld posted a link a while ago to some info, which said about not trusting samples already hitting 0db or -0.01db

Slappers and flutters are hitting -7dB, so you end up about right ITB building around it with a fader at zero....

[offki]

Originally Posted by cup-of-coffee

Lagerfeld posted a link a while ago to some info, which said about not trusting samples already hitting 0db or -0.01db

Lol. Trust them for what? To feed your pets?

If they sound good turned down to -6db through your mixer/monitor system use them. Maybe they clipped when recording but if you can't tell through about £1,000 pounds worth of monitoring/sound gear will anyone else?

There are loads of samples floating around these boards of all sorts of dry drum machines.

Who ever suggested Driven Drum Machines for dry samples needs to get back on their medication.

[twisted-space]

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[TJP]

+1 for goldbaby. If you have trouble with you're kick sitting right in the mix check out vengeance metrum.

[golden beers]

Originally Posted by TJP

+1 for goldbaby. If you have trouble with you're kick sitting right in the mix check out vengeance metrum.

vengance kicks and unprocessed are two very different things!...

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[botulus]

wave alchemy

Drum Samples | Drum Sounds | Download wav

there seems to be lots of life left in them. whilst some have been processed they're not squashed to death just lightly tickled with nice hardware.

drum tools 01 is my go to library

[TJP]

Yeah I know. I just wanted to say that you can really make the kicks sitting right in the mix with that. You probably don't need unprocessed samples.

[Entrainer]

For the record, I trust no sample library to feed cats.

[Entrainer]

Alright, I've seen this thread and tried to avoid commenting or self promoting, but I do
feel perhaps it's time to clear up a few ideas regarding DMD Strikes Back!.

Now, the original DMD library, I will give you. It is processed. The idea was to emulate
the signal chain up to the EQ, since great compressors/preamps/tape/tubes were not
being emulated in plugin form. The EQs were getting decent by the original recording
phase of DMD. (Even today I question the quality of most harmonic distortion emus,
just be gentle and pay attention to the mastering stage, that's my advice... listen for
grain during the mastering stage)

Now increasing harmonic content WILL increase the high-end presence, which is why
on a mixing console, if you increase the drive or gain coming in, you have an EQ right
there to compensate. But at the time, I didn't want to make the decision for you about
which EQ flavor to utilize.

NOW, re: DMDSB

90% of DMD Strikes Back is original. These are NOT drum machine thru compressors,
EQs, tape, pre-amps, etc. So, further, these ARE the original unprocessed versions.

Now, does that mean no form of harmonic distortion, compression, preamps, etc
were used? No.

But you have to consider what the drum machines of the past and present actually do.
How they work. There is no such thing as an unprocessed sound within them.
The 909 has wavefolders, filters, gain, distortion. Same with the 808. The 9's hi-hats
and cymbals are literally limited to the maximum, then an analog filter is applied to
help with the aliasing, and finally the VCAs and envelopes are analog. SP-1200...
12-bit, hot AD convertors that distort and limit. Etc, etc, etc.

I studied and researched all those machines and then applied a Marvel Comics
"What If?" type alternate universe philosophy to DMDSB.
Like, what if instead of the 909s oscillators, I used precision Cwejman oscillators
and envelopes with wavefolders and used a $2,000 per channel gain stage.
What if the 909 had 8 different cymbal variations that were all created the same
way with the anti-alias filter, sample and bit resolution, and analog envelopes/vcas.
What if the anti-alias filter was a GML8200? What if it was an Ebbe und Flut?

I told someone if DMDSB was an actual drum brain, it would be 6' tall, 12' wide, and
cost $40k. Without a sequencer. Sampling to me is about making the impossible
possible... and getting it to people at 1,000th of the cost.

Plus, that's just the synthesis side. Each sound has carefully timed texture changes
and extra long body so you can create 10+ sounds from each sample with envelopes.
And if you know what you are doing, you can use hold stages and envelopes to
completely replace channel compressors. Plus since the transients aren't flying all
over the place, getting a consistent groove from parallel bus compression is much
easier and IMHO more musical. Tight. That's the goal at least.

I have not heard DMDSB referred to as harsh, it's not my intention.

I hope this helps clarify.

Cheers-

Nathaniel


Here's a few new examples I made, all ITB, with DMDSB and Maschine.
No individual EQ/compression on samples, just some parallel buss-compression and EQ.
And these are the actual preset kits and kit names.

BTW, the streaming is glitchy, but the download is fast. So click the file for best quality.

[nibuz]

I almost pulled the trigger on Metrum just given how easy it seems to audition multiple layers. In PT it's quite a time consuming process when working with just audio clips on the grid.

I'd love to hear what you think of it once you've had a chance to play with it!

Also pumped to check out DMDSB.