It wasn't Diva that made the noise, it was Eventide 2016 Stereo Room native. Also it wasn't a spike, it went full throttle noise at +1212412db. It was blasting until I removed the whole plugin. I'm not sure, but I think it "exploded" when I played a note on Diva on a tweaked sound.
Like said, only Eventide and Diva were in that project and since Eventide has been performing flawless for 6 months, I'm guessing Diva was messing something up. Maybe Logic or Eventide didn't like the multithreading or so.
I have pretty bad experience with noise blasts so for now I'm just uninstalling Diva and will maybe come back when machines are powerful enough to run it without multithreading.
If I get another one of these noises, I'll probably move to playing a pan flute.
Long story short: I meant to ask if anyone thinks Diva and it's multithreading could cause other plugins to go bonkers? I can only guess, but maybe someone knows better?
im running diva x64 with i7 2600k OC'd to 4.5, cubase 6.5 x64 win and the first patch is still crackling a little bit w/multi checked... should i disable hyperthreading on my cpu, i heard that might help?
im running diva x64 with i7 2600k OC'd to 4.5, cubase 6.5 x64 win and the first patch is still crackling a little bit w/multi checked... should i disable hyperthreading on my cpu?
Here is a song entirely made with DIVA sounds, there are 21 DIVA instances running in REALTIME , hosted in Vienna Ensemble Pro 5. MIDI coming from Pro Tools 10. Mac Pro 6 core 3.46 GHz ( CPU and firmware updated 2009 MacPro ) with 24 GB RAM.
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Here is a song entirely made with DIVA sounds, there are 21 DIVA instances running in REALTIME , hosted in Vienna Ensemble Pro 5. MIDI coming from Pro Tools 10. Mac Pro 6 core 3.46 GHz ( CPU and firmware updated 2009 MacPro ) with 24 GB RAM.
what the hell.. 21 instances in realtime? I DO NOT COMPREHEND
Here is a song entirely made with DIVA sounds, there are 21 DIVA instances running in REALTIME , hosted in Vienna Ensemble Pro 5. MIDI coming from Pro Tools 10. Mac Pro 6 core 3.46 GHz ( CPU and firmware updated 2009 MacPro ) with 24 GB RAM.
tried the synth in demo... must say its not bad at all... could be useful for basses... liked the interface, very easy to work in
but i must say its an ok synth... not epic.... but i still prefer omnisphere, sylenth and nexus over it...
huh? omnisphere isn't even an analog emulation. and sylenth and nexus seriously aren't even in the same league, sound-wise. if you shut off all the fx on those synths and just play with raw oscillators and filters and compare them to the diva osc's & filters (don't forget you have juno/ms-20/moog/jupiter osc/filters to switch between) and listen closely in headphones, you should be able to tell a massive difference—diva actually sounds like an analog synth. sylenth and nexus sound like digital softsynths.
A. Saurus
B. Saurus with "boost" on
C. Diva (Moog)
D. Diva (Dual VCO saw)
E. ElectraX on Linear
F. ElectraX on Analog
G. Sylenth
H. Strobe (8 time over-sampling)
I know it's just a waveform, but it tells you a lot about the goals and measures used by the developers.
I had Largo and V-station as well, both looked just like Sylenth only they had some sort of spike at the top and bottom ends, they are very sharp.
These kinds of waveforms are ideal, real analog waveforms I imagine don't often reach this ideal waveform unless they use very expensive components.
Does anyone know why when I run Diva 1.1.1. in poly mode it plays two voices at a time for each note and there's no way to get one voice for each note?
EDIT: Nvm, it was usb sending additional midi messages with channel set to 'any'
testing diva multicore possibilities is imo still bad idea. Simply when activating multicore usage in diva sometimes it behaves much more sloppy when its enabled then when working on single core....there are issues with it
Yup! I love all the possebillaties of the synth plugins I have, but I always lack some intuative controls. And While I do have a Novation Zero SL MKII with Automap and such.... it's jsut not the same .. going through all menu's and pages.
I want to have one thing that I can actually tweak...
I like getting the sounds from a plugin because there is no hassle with leads to my soundcard, noisy outputs, possible ground hums and what have you.
That being said, I miss creative, spontanious and actual control. I also dream of one day owning a Vermone Perfourmer and that would be all the real analog synth I needed. The rest stays ITB.
Yeah.. he state's on his site that he makes them for himself only and does not want to make money of them.
I think there might be a market for these things at the right price. For the price he paid to make his one off, I doubt that anyone would jump to it. Couple of hundred more and you can have hardware synth that does the business.
A. Saurus
B. Saurus with "boost" on
C. Diva (Moog)
D. Diva (Dual VCO saw)
E. ElectraX on Linear
F. ElectraX on Analog
G. Sylenth
H. Strobe (8 time over-sampling)
I know it's just a waveform, but it tells you a lot about the goals and measures used by the developers.
I had Largo and V-station as well, both looked just like Sylenth only they had some sort of spike at the top and bottom ends, they are very sharp.
These kinds of waveforms are ideal, real analog waveforms I imagine don't often reach this ideal waveform unless they use very expensive components.
I should probably throw in that I like sarus more than diva. It's a drop in a bucket, I know, but I tend to like a different sound then most. I'm on a fence about elecktra x and I can't seem to get the demo to work in live.
its quite good - a nice virtual package of emulations at a good price and as good as the best VA out there in native format.
Still - doesnt capture the sweet highs and weight in the lows of real analogue sadly. Punchy - but unforgiving.
Very good effort tho.
damning faint praise I know but might as well be honest.
I don't know man... Degrees of subtlety and all that... I disagree with you. I have a rather elaborate setup with lots of vintage analogues in tow (oberheim ob8, matrix 6, juno 106, prophet 08, alesis andromeda and a dsi tempest) and the diva doesn't sound out of place to me in the company of those. I hear 30 years ago analogue synthesisers were accused of sounding cold and sterile. These days people talk endlessly about their warmth. Go figure. When people say it doesn't capture 'sweet this' or 'warm that' or 'alive this' I get nauseous pretty quickly. WTF does that mean anyway? I wonder how much of that statement is projecting something onto a situation that doesn't exist? Its about composing for me. In that context the diva works just as well as any of my analogues. I do appreciate tiny details and I Have to say side-by-side the diva kicks the sh!t out of my juno 106. It just sounds better to me. So I disagree with the statement that it doesn't capture highs/lows etc.
It depends on which "real analogue" you have in mind, and what you mean by "weight" or "sweet". Diva is not an emulation of an OB-X, a Cwejman or a System 700, nor a psychoaccoustic pseudo-model.
The eight synths that we took for reference sound exactly like that, and no nostalgia or romanticisation will make them sound any better in direct comparison. To the contrary, some of them sound rather boxy and muffled (despite full service and recap and all), which we happily omitted to model.
We also found that some of the newer hardware replica sound way less like the originals than Diva, so I guess we're not all that wrong ;-)
I agree with this wholeheartedly! I have a juno and an oberheim and an andromeda and I consider Diva in that company. I was considering buying a Moog Minimoog D but after hearing Diva I've scrapped that idea immediately because I can't tell the two apart in terms of sound quality/fidelity etc etc. The minimoog is 4 grand USD. That's a monophonic Synth for f*%& sake. One voice! The Diva is $179 USD or there abouts and to me they sound indistinguishable. Not to mention the value for money equation or use-case scenarios or compositional context etc. I can take a number of lines of reasoning to blow out this projection/fantasy/romanticism that 'nothing competes with analogue'. The more I listen to the Diva and my analogues the more I'm starting to think that comments in that vein (can't capture the warmth/the lows/the highs/the sizzle/the aliveness) are all bullsh!t.... Should I pay nearly 4k dollars for a perceived difference of 1% that can only be heard by dogs allegedly? I really like the Diva. If U-he should model the oberheim I'll be tempted to just store mine. Keep up the great work and don't waste your time addressing points about how analogue cannot be substituted. This time is better spent modelling oberheims et al . Thanks very much for this fabulous synth man!
by weight I mean thickness in the low-mid and lows...something plugins seem to struggle with...no plugin Ive tried (and Ive tried almost all emulating including SCOPE) has got the same convincing low mid thump as a Vintage Moog for example (esp the Minimoog)...
I believe this low mid weight issue can be heard on Ingonators comparisons with his Slim Phatty example on KVR...
When I say 'sweet' Im referring to the musical and fizzing sound of the high frequencies. For example when I open the cutoff of my Moog Source to full - even tho there is a lot of HF in the Osc - it never sounds harsh - it feels musical and inspires play. ... the Minimoog has this sweetness also, as do the roland synths...it seems to be a feature of nice analogue - and a stumbling block with plugins/digital.
I read somewhere Urs was considering a muffle parameter - something to dynamically soften the highs could be good?
Maybe something could be done to very subtly regulate the dynamics of the amp/env also - as I feel its a bit unrelenting and stabbing in my ears...these analogue synths have punch - but it feels more musical. I feel with digital we need to meld the math/science with the more elusive domain of 'feel' and 'musicality' - if its possible with the resources available.
I dont want to take anything away from this clearly excellent technological achievement with Diva which looks to be a great set of vintage emulations perhaps surpassing the majority of whats out there currently. I dont know too much about code and what is possible at current sample rates and CPU.
However - I trust my ears and would like to contribute thoughts on the area in case it stimulates novel ways of getting even closer to the sound I love using a plugin. In the case of Diva - it certainly seems close in sound but some of the elusive musical character of analogue is still not there for me. For many - it is enough. Unfortunately Im now addicted to the musicality of analogue synths.
'I feel with digital we need to meld the math/science with the more elusive domain of 'feel' and 'musicality' - if its possible with the resources available.'
- WTF are you talking about man? If the grosser reality emerges from the subtler reality (and if you take a reductionist approach through to the quantum reality you will see interdependence only - subject/object duality seems an illusion), then there is no separation between phenomena and events. 'Feel', 'musicality', 'math/science' are then probably highly interconnected and not at all separate or self establishing or something intrinsic. So in that way there the duality of subject/object doesn't seem tenable to me and all these concepts and experiences are not some kind of a force existing out there apart from the subject and intrinsically so. Digital arises from analogue - interconnected again. The differences you are talking about here are negligent but more importantly completely unimportant! Cheers.
I duno real Juno 106 still sounds better than the Diva parts to me.
My audio interface is a Lynx Hilo which is pretty neutral.
And I monitor with Focal SM9 and Event Opals - good accuracy and details
And with this monitoring chain - Diva just doesn't have the punch and texture. Somewhat plastic when the filter is closed down. I just don't see how anyone can't hear this.
. Thanks very much for this fabulous synth man!
