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[j-uk]

Originally Posted by synthoid

no, it renders the track outputs if you select an individual track or all tracks. the master bus is not involved unless you select "master" as the rendered source.

of course a track can be a group track, so you can catch the output of what would be a bus or aux in another DAW.

There are so many options for freezing/consolidating/rendering in Live. You can freeze a track provided that it doesn't involve side-chaining. you can render it no matter what. you can consolidate clips within a track. when you render, you can select to collapse to mono and choose an arbitrary bit depth. If freezing doesn't work because of sidechain restrictions, you can always render the track and drag it back into the timeline. Pretty full-featured in this department if you ask me.

-synthoid

OK thanks, I need to dive in to the manual.... All of it however seems to mean that rendering the output or freezing all includes running the track through the main bus....
Live does allow me to consolidate so I'll be good....

[synthoid]

Originally Posted by j-uk

All of it however seems to mean that rendering the output or freezing all includes running the track through the main bus....

no. as I said in my last post, this is incorrect. when you render a single track or all tracks, the main bus (master bus) is not involved. It is easy to test: insert a reverb on the master bus and then render an individual track or all tracks. you will see that the rendered file is dry. the master bus is involved only when you render "Master".

-synthoid

[j-uk]

Originally Posted by synthoid

no, it renders the track outputs if you select an individual track or all tracks. the master bus is not involved unless you select "master" as the rendered source.

of course a track can be a group track, so you can catch the output of what would be a bus or aux in another DAW.

There are so many options for freezing/consolidating/rendering in Live. You can freeze a track provided that it doesn't involve side-chaining. you can render it no matter what. you can consolidate clips within a track. when you render, you can select to collapse to mono and choose an arbitrary bit depth. If freezing doesn't work because of sidechain restrictions, you can always render the track and drag it back into the timeline. Pretty full-featured in this department if you ask me.

-synthoid

OK, cheers for the info!

[subby33]

Messed with the demo tonight.

Some patches send my CPU into fits. Just doesn't make sense. I have a lot of soft synths, and none of them do this. I thought Omnisphere was a hog, but this takes it to another level. (PS, I can use several instances of Omni with no problem). Installed and using the 64bit version.

I'm on a Windows 7 Machine
16 Gigs RAM
3ghz i7
DAW Presonus Studio 1

Is this just a problem with the demo? It brings my CPU to its knees. NOthing has ever done this but Diva. Too bad cuz I REALLY Like it.

[Kindred]

Originally Posted by subby33

Messed with the demo tonight.

Some patches send my CPU into fits. Just doesn't make sense. I have a lot of soft synths, and none of them do this. I thought Omnisphere was a hog, but this takes it to another level. (PS, I can use several instances of Omni with no problem). Installed and using the 64bit version.

I'm on a Windows 7 Machine
16 Gigs RAM
3ghz i7
DAW Presonus Studio 1

Is this just a problem with the demo? It brings my CPU to its knees. NOthing has ever done this but Diva. Too bad cuz I REALLY Like it.

same here and I also have just about the quickest CPU you can get (well, at least it was 6 months ago). I guess it is the price to pay for this kind of quality. I would rather developers pushed things to the limit to get the best possible sound rather than going for light CPU so I am ok with it

before Diva and Slate VCC my computer could take whatever I threw at it...now I have to freeze tracks and bounce audio to free up CPU...

[login]

Intel must be happy developers push the CPU power requirements

[CoolColJ]

tick the multi-core option

My i7 3930k at 4.2ghz laughs at Diva in Divine mode

[Kindred]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

tick the multi-core option

My i7 3930k at 4.2ghz laughs at Diva in Divine mode

how many instances of a polyphonic patch can you manage in Divine mode before crackling?

[Urs]

Yep, "multi threaded" in the Master section should do the trick, on any i5/i7 or similar or later, and even some before.

[subby33]

Originally Posted by Urs

Yep, "multi threaded" in the Master section should do the trick, on any i5/i7 or similar or later, and even some before.

In the master section of my DAW? That's already selected.

Downloading the latest version of my DAW to see if it helps.

[Urs]

Originally Posted by subby33

In the master section of my DAW? That's already selected.

Downloading the latest version of my DAW to see if it helps.

Nope, in the Master section of Diva. Needs Diva 1.1 with default skin though...

[subby33]

Originally Posted by Urs

Nope, in the Master section of Diva. Needs Diva 1.1 with default skin though...

Thanks much.

Updated my DAW and turned on multithreading.

There's a lot of patches that still push my CPU really hard, but I find making my own sounds ( I prefer using really simple sounds anyway ) it seems to be okay so far. Wondering if I'm going to invest in this.

It truly is the most analog sounding VST I've heard. It's pretty much like someone put my old Rolands right in front of me.

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by Kindred

how many instances of a polyphonic patch can you manage in Divine mode before crackling?

Did a quick test - worst case scenario
single 8 voice patch, in divine mode, Dual VCO and the Multimode filter in TobyBear Mini Host shows 57% peak CPU load with release set at maximum and all notes being played rapidly by running the mouse up and down the virtual keys

With 256 buffer samples on my Lynx Hilo, via USB, at 44 khz
64 and 128 samples grunges on the ladder filter, when tested like this, but is fine with the others

Turning on Multi-threaded drops this to 20% peak for the multimode filter
32% peak with the ladder filter, 22% with Cascade and Bite,

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based on rendering tests, the i7 3930k at 4.4ghz is just about twice as fast as my old i7 930 at 4 ghz

[Kindred]

cheers - yep I get similar kinda results (i am using overclocked i7 2600)

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

Did a quick test - worst case scenario
single 8 voice patch, in divine mode, Dual VCO and the Multimode filter in TobyBear Mini Host shows 57% peak CPU load with release set at maximum and all notes being played rapidly by running the mouse up and down the virtual keys

With 256 buffer samples on my Lynx Hilo, via USB, at 44 khz
64 and 128 samples grunges on the ladder filter, when tested like this, but is fine with the others

Turning on Multi-threaded drops this to 20% peak for the multimode filter
32% peak with the ladder filter, 22% with Cascade and Bite,

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based on rendering tests, the i7 3930k at 4.4ghz is just about twice as fast as my old i7 930 at 4 ghz

[JimmiG]

Originally Posted by subby33

Messed with the demo tonight.

Some patches send my CPU into fits. Just doesn't make sense. I have a lot of soft synths, and none of them do this. I thought Omnisphere was a hog, but this takes it to another level. (PS, I can use several instances of Omni with no problem). Installed and using the 64bit version.

I'm on a Windows 7 Machine
16 Gigs RAM
3ghz i7
DAW Presonus Studio 1

Is this just a problem with the demo? It brings my CPU to its knees. NOthing has ever done this but Diva. Too bad cuz I REALLY Like it.

Studio One does not work very well at all with multi-threaded VST's.

Either enable multi-threading in Diva, but not in Studio One, or the other way around. If Multi-threading is enabled both in Studio One and Diva, you'll get crackles even with a very fast CPU.

Another solution is to bridge the plug-in using JBridge (it works for 32-32-bit or 64-64 bit), then enable "Performance mode" in the JBridge options. This isolates Diva in its own process, bypassing Studio One's multi-threaded code. Diva won't even register on the CPU meter in Studio One (but it does in Task Manager). That's what I did to get Diva to work properly in Studio One V2. In Reaper, none of this was necessary.

[subby33]

Originally Posted by JimmiG

Studio One does not work very well at all with multi-threaded VST's.

Either enable multi-threading in Diva, but not in Studio One, or the other way around. If Multi-threading is enabled both in Studio One and Diva, you'll get crackles even with a very fast CPU.

Another solution is to bridge the plug-in using JBridge (it works for 32-32-bit or 64-64 bit), then enable "Performance mode" in the JBridge options. This isolates Diva in its own process, bypassing Studio One's multi-threaded code. Diva won't even register on the CPU meter in Studio One (but it does in Task Manager). That's what I did to get Diva to work properly in Studio One V2. In Reaper, none of this was necessary.

Thanks so much for this info.

I do have a copy of J Bridge so I will try this out.

I'm a big Studio One fan, so I'm not willing to move away from it for one plug in, but that's dissapointing to here. If you dont mind, I'd like to bring it to Presonus' attention by quoting what you said in this thread for me. Is that okay?

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by Kindred

cheers - yep I get similar kinda results (i am using overclocked i7 2600)

I'm guessing Diva does not use all 6 cores then?

[raymondwave]

I had another go with Diva v1.1 and it's much more usable on a newish i7 Macbook Pro, v1.0 was impossible to use real time at divine.

Sounds great, but am I right that there is no dedicated modulation matrix which is pretty common in soft synths these days? I was looking for a way to modulate filter FreqModDepth. Sure you can automate it in DAW.

I followed the tutorial to create unison pan spread, which already was pretty mind numbing and I'm not new to doing modulations/modifications.

[Urs]

Originally Posted by raymondwave

am I right that there is no dedicated modulation matrix which is pretty common in soft synths these days?

You're right.

We have modulation matrices in some of our other plug-ins, but they have been coded with single-core processing in mind. That is, they gain a lot of strength out of voices being processed one after the other.

Diva's multicore support lets her process voices in parallel, i.e. several at the same time. That breaks our system for modulation matrices (and probably anyone elses if they did it in a similarly clever way).

So now we need to make our modulation matrix system "dumb" enough to deal with this.

OTOH Diva's "inspirations" have never had any such matrix. So while it might be a desirable add on for a future upgrade, I can't really say if and when at this time.

[raymondwave]

Thanks for the info. I kind of figured the part where Diva took it's inspiration. To speak the truth, I don't think every synth even needs full mod matrix, it often gets tiresome to program sounds with infinite possibilties.

Off topic, this is pretty amazing that I've asked two questions about two different plugins within two days and in both cases (i suppose) the actual people behind the plugins came in and helped out. You guys and this forum are great, I had no idea.

[raymondwave]

I was playing with Diva yesterday and Logic suddenly blew a noise blast at me. I first thought it was Diva, but it turned out to be the bus with Eventide 2016 Stereo Room which was peaking a huge noise. I had nothing else in the project, just one instrument track running Diva and one bus send.

2016 Stereo Room has never blasted on me and I've used it daily for six months. I read that Diva multithreading might affect other plugins, could this be the cause? Diva had multithreading on and divine setting.

I've had Diva going mute on me for quite a few times during two days, it usually fixes when I change a patch.

[tshear23]

If I can make a brief, crass plug, I just released a new sound set for DIVA. It's an awesome synth. Waveformless Soundware Downloads

[kacperson]

Guys,im not a good sound creator tbh,and usually i rely on tweaking the presets to my taste and further processing. So i would like to ask about any worth purchasing soundbanks/presets for Diva ?

Im after some bass sounds,synths,pads etc

[Urs]

Originally Posted by raymondwave

Off topic, this is pretty amazing that I've asked two questions about two different plugins within two days and in both cases (i suppose) the actual people behind the plugins came in and helped out. You guys and this forum are great, I had no idea.

Yep, it's us... That's pure coincidence though, sometimes we take long breaks from looking at forums

[Urs]

Originally Posted by raymondwave

I was playing with Diva yesterday and Logic suddenly blew a noise blast at me. I first thought it was Diva, but it turned out to be the bus with Eventide 2016 Stereo Room which was peaking a huge noise. I had nothing else in the project, just one instrument track running Diva and one bus send.

There *was* a bug in Diva 1.0 that could create vast volume spikes in unfortunate circumstances. That's however believed to be done and gone in Diva 1.1 - please keep an eye open and let us know if it happens again (and maybe send us the current setting as a preset to support at u-he dot com)

[raymondwave]

It wasn't Diva that made the noise, it was Eventide 2016 Stereo Room native. Also it wasn't a spike, it went full throttle noise at +1212412db. It was blasting until I removed the whole plugin. I'm not sure, but I think it "exploded" when I played a note on Diva on a tweaked sound.

Like said, only Eventide and Diva were in that project and since Eventide has been performing flawless for 6 months, I'm guessing Diva was messing something up. Maybe Logic or Eventide didn't like the multithreading or so.

I have pretty bad experience with noise blasts so for now I'm just uninstalling Diva and will maybe come back when machines are powerful enough to run it without multithreading.

If I get another one of these noises, I'll probably move to playing a pan flute.

[h4nc0]

I've been trying to download the demo for last two days but it's extremely slow. Anything wrong with your site?

[Urs]

Originally Posted by h4nc0

I've been trying to download the demo for last two days but it's extremely slow. Anything wrong with your site?

No, the server should be fine. Hmmm... anyone else having trouble?

[h4nc0]

Originally Posted by Urs

No, the server should be fine. Hmmm... anyone else having trouble?

I am still downloading.... maybe it's the connection to Korea...?

[Urs]

Originally Posted by h4nc0

I am still downloading.... maybe it's the connection to Korea...?

Oh... hmmm... maybe the channels are busy with Olympic streams?

I could try to upload the demo somewhere else, do you have any suggestions?