man does reason 6 sound good!!!!

[digitalson]

i downloaded the version 6 demo and to me it sounds way better than ver 5.....
thoughts?

[sftd]

Dude you aren't kidding.

I was a staunch believer of "all DAWs sound the same" but they have done something to the audio engine in 6, and it sounds freaking good.

Like REAL good.

Like I could sell every other piece of software I own and not care.

There is NOTHING in my opinion that can compete with what is being offered here for $400.

I have just became a total Reason 6 fanboy.

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[chickenuggets]

Oh well I thought the new effect plugins sound amazing compared to scream for example. There is some quality to them especially pulveriser.

Plus the mixer is a freaking beast, best mixer ever

[fooloof]

That's good to hear. I've got stuff like Omnisphere and Komplete 6, but I don't know when I'll get around to even using it. At one point, I thought I was going to be all software, but I realize I prefer hardware. Reason is the only soft synth I know how to use. Based on reviews I've read so far, I'll probably pick this up. Since I'm a Pro Tools guy, I wish I could get a cheaper version w/o Record. Oh well.

[Mefistophelees]

Earlier this year I was looking for a DAW and was all ready to get a copy of reason record duo. It looked great, lots of instruments and effects etc, etc.

I was literally days away from ordering it when I discovered it didn't do MIDI out.

It's good that it sounds good and all that but why on earth do they make it incompatible with external gear? How many thousands of customers are they losing because of this?

[sftd]

Originally Posted by Mefistophelees

Earlier this year I was looking for a DAW and was all ready to get a copy of reason record duo. It looked great, lots of instruments and effects etc, etc.

I was literally days away from ordering it when I discovered it didn't do MIDI out.

It's good that it sounds good and all that but why on earth do they make it incompatible with external gear? How many thousands of customers are they losing because of this?

Rewire?

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[cdog]

A friend of mine designed a few of the drum sounds, hes been trying to sell me on it and I have to say it does sound good but I think Im too invested in other ways of composing... I think if you are just getting into EM its probably the best way to go though.

[aunshui]

WHY oh why won't they just offer up the goods piecemeal?

[Mefistophelees]

Rewire?

It was the duo set I was interested in.

I might be able to hook up Reason with rewire and I understand it might be even possible to use external stuff with Record but it's all a bit of a hack and I'm not interested in hacks.

[fooloof]

Originally Posted by Mefistophelees

It was the duo set I was interested in.

I might be able to hook up Reason with rewire and I understand it might be even possible to use external stuff with Record but it's all a bit of a hack and I'm not interested in hacks.

ReWire is only if you've got another application hosting Reason. And the whole point of combining Reason and Record is to make it a complete standalone DAW. But no MIDI out?? WTF??

That's a MAJOR oversight.

[kstackm]

Originally Posted by fooloof

ReWire is only if you've got another application hosting Reason. And the whole point of combining Reason and Record is to make it a complete standalone DAW. But no MIDI out?? WTF??

That's a MAJOR oversight.

Maybe... but Reason 6 does exceptionally good, especially in reference to previous iterations. There is a significant boost in quality in Reason 6. Truth be told, in the past I generally would get every other Reason upgrade (Since 2.5), play around with it and then decide "Oh, it's cool, but......"

Not this time though. It really caught my interest, sonically speaking. I loaded it up, messed around with it for a while, put together a reference and it became instantly clear that there was something different about it, in a very good way.

If you are the type of person to have relegated Reason to the pile of second/third tier daw's in the past, those days have surely come to an end. I actually really like Reason now and can easily see myself using it as a legitimate source to program/pre-mix with. I really can't call it a "side-cart" daw anymore.

Now if they can maintain the sound quality that they have been able to achieve and add vst/au support to the mix, Reason 6 would be ............ crazy.

[Llitsor]

It sounds much the same to me. Which isn't a bad thing. I just didn't notice a difference.
However, Reason in Record (which is basically what Reason 6 is) does sound better than previous versions of Reason alone, as you don't have to go through that crappy 14:2 mixer. The SSL emu seems to make a difference there.

[syzygywell]

Originally Posted by kstackm

Maybe... but Reason 6 does exceptionally good, especially in reference to previous iterations. There is a significant boost in quality in Reason 6. Truth be told, in the past I generally would get every other Reason upgrade (Since 2.5), play around with it and then decide "Oh, it's cool, but......"

Not this time though. It really caught my interest, sonically speaking. I loaded it up, messed around with it for a while, put together a reference and it became instantly clear that there was something different about it, in a very good way.

If you are the type of person to have relegated Reason to the pile of second/third tier daw's in the past, those days have surely come to an end. I actually really like Reason now and can easily see myself using it as a legitimate source to program/pre-mix with. I really can't call it a "side-cart" daw anymore.

Now if they can maintain the sound quality that they have been able to achieve and add vst/au support to the mix, Reason 6 would be ............ crazy.

This has been my experience too. Honestly I've heard some people doing great things with reason, mux mool, toro y moi come to mind but it just didn't fit me very well. Maybe I'll give it another chance and upgrade. I had 4 and downloaded the trial of 5 and while it was a good improvement it wasn't enough make me want to take the leap.

[Myrok Rolles]

Man you guys are really on propellerhead's nuts here... I mean ya it sounds good but to say it could adequately replace everything else? Bit to far IMO

I rewire reason and I love it, but I couldn't do all the work I want to without my other synths.

[sftd]

6 changes the entire game for me, and not just for the integration with record, it's the sound, there has been some kind of incredibly pleasing (to me!) color of some sort added that I quite honestly am stunned and have been stunned by for three days now.

Yet it doesn't sound colored at all, just very good. Essentialy it sounds "better than it should", neutral, but better than neutral? Which has no logical explanation other than intentional coloring?

And I don't think you guys understand how big I was on the belief that no daw sounded any better than another.

I'm probably going crazy, but that's no reason not to enjoy it!

I'm about halfway through my first track in it, learning curve is slowing me down :(

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[Boddhisattva007]

If the props made the sequencer easier to use like abletons (especially with regards to automation), allowed midi out for use with hardware synths, and included the ability to use Recycle within Reason I think I would give it a go for using as my only DAW. The only thing holding me back I think would be VST/AU support. Even though I don't really think they need it I have spent a lot of money on 3rd party software that I really like. Still though I often start songs inside of Reason as it's really easy to get a basic song up and running. Then I usually go to Logic or Live to continue my work. Speaking of Logic, IMO Apple is playing catch-up and they really need to start coming with more features that match what you can get in a program like Live... IMHO of course. I use all three to one extent or another but I've been using Live and especially Reason more and more lately.

I started with Reason and I would love to see it continue as a great music making environment for years to come! It's like one giant modular synth.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by sftd

6 changes the entire game for me, and not just for the integration with record, it's the sound, there has been some kind of incredibly pleasing (to me!) color of some sort added that I quite honestly am stunned and have been stunned by for three days now.

Yet it doesn't sound colored at all, just very good. Essentialy it sounds "better than it should", neutral, but better than neutral? Which has no logical explanation other than intentional coloring?

And I don't think you guys understand how big I was on the belief that no daw sounded any better than another.

I'm probably going crazy, but that's no reason not to enjoy it!

I'm about halfway through my first track in it, learning curve is slowing me down :(

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Is it the synths that sound better or all audio through it sounds better (as in can you import a synth line created with another DAW and will it sound better in Reason 6)? Either the built-in Reason 6 synths sound better than your other VSTs or is it truly the audio engine?

Either way.. you guys make it seem pretty impressive.

[sftd]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Is it the synths that sound better or all audio through it sounds better (as in can you import a synth line created with another DAW and will it sound better in Reason 6)? Either the built-in Reason 6 synths sound better than your other VSTs or is it truly the audio engine?

Either way.. you guys make it seem pretty impressive.

Well, I don't know how to seperate the sound of the instruments from that of the audio engine as a whole since I suppose they are one in the same in the case of Reason, but yes, everything has the sound which I described in the post. I'm going to do some "real testing" once I: A. learn Reason, and B. stop having so much fun.

I tried Reason 4 prior to this in demo form and wasn't impressed at all. I was/am? an Ableton devotee.

The mixer is just incredible might I add, possibly the best thing about it.

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[kstackm]

Originally Posted by Myrok Rolles

Man you guys are really on propellerhead's nuts here... I mean ya it sounds good but to say it could adequately replace everything else? Bit to far IMO

I rewire reason and I love it, but I couldn't do all the work I want to without my other synths.

Lol...Nah, I wouldn't say it would replace "everything else". Let's just say that I was 'pleasantly surprised' at how solid it sounded and functioned. Truth be told, Reason 4 probably should have been Reason 6 (But that's another story). Be that as it may, many people have used Reason faithfully for years and got the job done. However, Reason 6 comparatively sounds very, very good...no question about that.

I guess the simplest way to put it is that Reason 6 finally feels "Right", at least to me. It's a nice production station at this point and sounds very good and dare I say, even slightly "better" than it did when it was used with Propellerhead RECORD in the past.

[kcearl]

no vst's, no reason......

[JoaT]

Reason is not a DAW.
Reason is not a synth.

Let's not judge it as one either.

...but yeah, the lack of external midi bugs me too. Has been doing that since v. 1.0. There's very little to complain besides that.

[ellipse]

If Reason supported VST while rewired it would be game over, it would put it on an entirely different level for many Pro Tools users.

[crufty]

No midi out is the real gate for me

If prophead stuck a unisyn type deal in reason w. Tight timing that would be some serious mojo

[jnurp]

this thread is making me really want to try it. I love reason 5, i didnt think i would be interested in 6 because I dont have a use for Record or a reason DAW at this point and it looks way more complicated to lay down ideas than reason 5 which is the fastest workflow I have ever experienced. Some of the testimony I have read here could be a game changer for me.

[HomeProducer]

Originally Posted by digitalson

i downloaded the version 6 demo and to me it sounds way better than ver 5.....
thoughts?

Ok what exactly sounds better now?

Sampler interpolation?

Summing?

Any effects?

Thor?

Subtractor?

64 Bit? (lol)

It is the Record engine.

[HomeProducer]

Originally Posted by crufty

No midi out is the real gate for me

If prophead stuck a unisyn type deal in reason w. Tight timing that would be some serious mojo

the reason there is no midi out is because they are too stupid.

Reason 1: they cannot do it

Reason 2: they can do it, but they see no need or no market.

Reason 3: they have no man power to care for midi, wrong investment because of stupid management.

As proved, in either case they are to stupid to go for midi out.

They hire hardware designers now.

Now we can expect some crappy audio device more from Propellerheads.
Is that silly, man ...

[JoaT]

Originally Posted by HomeProducer

the reason there is no midi out is because they are too stupid.

Reason 1: they cannot do it

Reason 2: they can do it, but they see no need or no market.

Reason 3: they have no man power to care for midi, wrong investment because of stupid management.

As proved, in either case they are to stupid to go for midi out.

They hire hardware designers now.

Now we can expect some crappy audio device more from Propellerheads.
Is that silly, man ...

Wrong on all three counts.

The reason they left VST and external midi devices out of the Reason is none of those. It's their philosophy of keeping their software stable.

The decision can be argued until the cows come home, but the stability of Reason is a testament for that reasoning. It is not everything to everyone and it doesn't make you breakfast. But what it does it does with grace rarely seen in audio software.

If you think I'm wrong stop to think about the control surface support already implemented. Works with external midi devices and is a lot more complex to execute successfully than generic midi out / midi in. Yet it's there and it works. My guess is that controlling synths needs to be done elegantly and with total recall from the Reason the same way as every other device in there works (simple, functional, usable) or the method of control does not fit to their paradigm. Think about it... How many different ways of selecting patches there is in HW synths? How to deal with sysex? How to set up the routing or channels when there's like three multi timbral synth modules on a same out? And according to the paradigm all this should be in a neat rackable "midi synth" module.

It really is not a big deal to run a sequencer along with the Reason. It gives you the VST and midi and you don't have to use it until you need something that just the Reason can't provide. I work like this and have been for a long time. No biggie.

[RaboonTheBaboon]

Reason is it's own environment.

It has it's own set of rules. Some will get on with them, some will want to break them, some will try to bend them thoroughly.

[Itsmorning]

That controller looks sick. Not a big fan of that audio card though. It's pretty expensive for it to only work on one program.

Anyway we can get a comparison of reason 5 and reason 6 audio quality. I love reason as an instrument and hold it in higher esteem than my other two instruments NI komplete and omnisphere. That said I always rewire to ableton or cubase cuz the mixer in reason is trash. So is it worth it to upgrade if I already use an entirely different mixer all together?

For effects though I'm not a big fan of reason. I think the effects they have built into the synths (Thor) and samplers (kong) are decent to good I prefer either ableton or waves effects. I really like scream and the vocoder in reason though even if it gets mad hate. Thanks for any info.

[sftd]

Well I just sold my machine along with all the plugs therein minus those I have on iLok (mainly Waves)

(In part an exscuse to grab a new computer!)

I have not felt this free/"organic"/whatever while making music in over a year.

Thank you Reason 6.

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