help: all my patches end up sounding the same

idealflaw · 14th September 2011

ok, so i have a pretty fair synth collection. Blofeld, Ion, Mopho & MS2000.

Out of all of these, the only synth i feel totally confident on, and can program unique sounding patches on, is the MS2000- thanks largely in part to the sequencer.

It's my Blofeld I'm trying to get inside. It has the kind of sounds that I know I'm looking for. And yet, every single patch I make ends up going down the same road. Overdriven, feedbacky sounds.

Is there a pattern you approach patch making that takes you in the direction you're looking for?

Plucked sounds that descend into feedback?
Arp sounds that cascade upon itself into beautiful infinity
blissed out atmosphere..

I seem to only be able to make the same patches on this thing. Help break my 'rut' if you know what I mean.
Thanks.

Rogue Ai · 14th September 2011

All of my hardware synths are radically different and have different synthesis types. I have 2 subtractive synths but there is no way that I could make my Microkorg (VA) sound like the JX-3P (analog) and vice versa. Also, I can't make my Kawai K1r sound like my DX9. Though I could create similar organ type sounds with both.

I can never seem to make a patch that sounds like another.

Your problem is that most of your synths are subtractive. Try experimenting with other synthesis types.

idealflaw · 14th September 2011

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Originally Posted by Rogue Ai

All of my hardware synths are radically different and have different synthesis types. I have 2 subtractive synths but there is no way that I could make my Microkorg (VA) sound like the JX-3P (analog) and vice versa. Also, I can't make my Kawai K1r sound like my DX9. Though I could create similar organ type sounds with both.

I can never seem to make a patch that sounds like another.

Your problem is that most of your synths are subtractive. Try experimenting with other synthesis types.

indeed -
and I have no intention of making one sound like the other - just mentioned the MS2000 as a benchmark of an interface that I'm comfortable with. It's indeed vastly more simple than the blofeld.

That being said, is there an "init" patch that you start from when you touch a synth that you can reliably take in any different direction? What are your best practices as it comes to making interesting, complex sounds? Mine works for that one sound type but for some reason I can't coax other types out of that synth....

Rogue Ai · 14th September 2011

I just use the the factory init patch on all of my synths except my JX-3P which I think can't be initialized.

Try to use effects on your patches. 2 patches could sound completely different with different effects applied.

You really need to explore all the possibilities with modulation as well.

Myrok Rolles · 14th September 2011

I have an albert einstein quote that should get you to making platinum sounds in no time -

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

blinky909 · 14th September 2011

the very first thing i do when i'm checking out a new synth is to make the same sound i have made on all the previous synths. this way i can judge the synth based on knowns. so yeah, all my synths have the same patch on them, but man they all sound so different making that sound.

the other sounds i make, they just come out of the synths while i'm sitting there and they all sound different enough (except all the Junos

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14th September 2011	#1
idealflaw Gear nut Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 111 Thread Starter	help: all my patches end up sounding the same ok, so i have a pretty fair synth collection. Blofeld, Ion, Mopho & MS2000. Out of all of these, the only synth i feel totally confident on, and can program unique sounding patches on, is the MS2000- thanks largely in part to the sequencer. It's my Blofeld I'm trying to get inside. It has the kind of sounds that I know I'm looking for. And yet, every single patch I make ends up going down the same road. Overdriven, feedbacky sounds. Is there a pattern you approach patch making that takes you in the direction you're looking for? Plucked sounds that descend into feedback? Arp sounds that cascade upon itself into beautiful infinity blissed out atmosphere.. I seem to only be able to make the same patches on this thing. Help break my 'rut' if you know what I mean. Thanks.

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blinky909 Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2010 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,101	the very first thing i do when i'm checking out a new synth is to make the same sound i have made on all the previous synths. this way i can judge the synth based on knowns. so yeah, all my synths have the same patch on them, but man they all sound so different making that sound. the other sounds i make, they just come out of the synths while i'm sitting there and they all sound different enough (except all the Junos ) __________________ a 909, a box of paper clips, and an anvil

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14th September 2011	#2
Rogue Ai Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,040 1 Review written	All of my hardware synths are radically different and have different synthesis types. I have 2 subtractive synths but there is no way that I could make my Microkorg (VA) sound like the JX-3P (analog) and vice versa. Also, I can't make my Kawai K1r sound like my DX9. Though I could create similar organ type sounds with both. I can never seem to make a patch that sounds like another. Your problem is that most of your synths are subtractive. Try experimenting with other synthesis types.

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Myrok Rolles spanks your mom for gear Joined: Oct 2010 Location: California Posts: 649	I have an albert einstein quote that should get you to making platinum sounds in no time - Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.