Jaspers 3 tier stands: Which one?

[SovietSpaceChild]

Hey guys,

I'm about ready to bite the bullet on a 3 tier stand from Jaspers, but which one should I get? They seem to have a lot of models. I'm basically looking for the sturdiest solution for studio use. Thanks!

[CoolColJ]

Eitehr A frame or the one on rollers basicly


I have the roller one, it's sturdy, and you can move it around quiet easily even when fully loaded


But I do recommend getting a roll of this stuff and replace the tiny rubber blocks it has... which heavy synths will just squash and stretch...

Neoprene Rubber self-adhesive strip 20mm x 6mm x 5m | eBay

perfect width, but you can get thicker if you want. This will stop the screws on the bottom of the synth scratching the stand
1 Roll is enough to cover all the tier supports and have some left over

But they are a bit squishy, so self adhesive felt pad surface savers is a better bet.

[Demokid]

I bought two Studio Systems keyboard stands, Keyboard Rack 170-4-120 and Keyboard Rack 170-4-150. They are very sturdy on my 170-4-120 I have a JP8, Synthex, P5 and a P08. The 170-4-150 is great because two mono sizers fits on the same tiers e.g. Pro~One and Model D or Voyager and MS20. I did buy two extra pairs of Holders so I could fit two sizers on the same tier.

Another good thing with the Studio Systems is that they take up less floor footprint on compared to the A-frame.
Jaspers - 19" Racks Studiosysteme

Kind regards
Demokid

[SovietSpaceChild]

Great, thanks guys!

Which width should I get? Is 120 CM sufficient if my largest keyboard had 61 keys?

[CoolColJ]

Yeah should be enough, I have a 140 and a 150 (which I sold) and they are pretty wide!

I used to have a mInimoog and I wanted both the SH2 and Mini on the top tier, and they will just squeeze in on the 140 one, but 150 is just right

Now that I sold the Minimoog, and I can move the SH2 to a desktop or small stool, I wish it was smaller...

See my posts
keyboard racks

Seems like you can only get these roller ones from Thomann, which is where I ordered mine. 50 Euro flat rate shipping to Australia is pretty amazing!
The parcel was huge.... and heavy.
I asked Jaspers directly for a quote and they wanted something like 250+ Euro for shipping...Obviously I went straight to Thomann
And they quoted me a cheaper price without the Euro VAT tax
http://www.thomann.de/gb/search.html...98=3+Keyboards

[SovietSpaceChild]

Ohhh, this looks like it should do the trick. An A6 should be able to fit on the bottom here, right?

JASPERS 3R-120S - Thomann UK Cyberstore

Above that will be a Waldorf Q+ and XTk.

[CoolColJ]

measure it, the inner width is 120cm
A6 is 102cm long, so yeah plenty of space

[SovietSpaceChild]

Ordered! Thanks for the help

[SovietSpaceChild]

By the way, the Euro to Dollar exchange rate is horrible right now

[cdog]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

By the way, the Euro to Dollar exchange rate is horrible right now

FYP

By the way, the dollar is halfway down the drain and fading fast.

Nice setups ITT!!!

[dougt]

Do you EU guys not have Ultimate Support A-Frame stands? I have been using them for years and they seem a lot less expensive than this Jaspers stuff.

[NWSooner]

Originally Posted by dougt

Do you EU guys not have Ultimate Support A-Frame stands? I have been using them for years and they seem a lot less expensive than this Jaspers stuff.

For regular A-frame stands I agree with you. (I have a couple of Ultimate stands. Great quality!) But I wasn't able to find any equivalent for the Jaspers 3R-120B in the US and had to order it from Thomann.

JASPERS 3R-120B - Thomann UK Cyberstore

[grumphh]

Originally Posted by dougt

Do you EU guys not have Ultimate Support A-Frame stands? I have been using them for years and they seem a lot less expensive than this Jaspers stuff.

There is something that you have to learn about the EU.

Basically everything here is more expensive than in the states. Very few exceptions to that rule.

Say, if i want to buy a new Marshall amp (made in Britain, just a couple of hundred miles from here) it is actually cheaper in the US than it is in Denmark.

E.g. a Marshall JVM 210h:

US price: 1499 USD = 7888 DKK
Marshall JVM210H | Sweetwater.com


Danish price: 8849 DKK
Køb Marshall JVM210H - 4Sound.dk

Same goes for far east imports, we get shafted.

...now imagine the EU cost of something that is made in the US...

[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by dougt

Do you EU guys not have Ultimate Support A-Frame stands? I have been using them for years and they seem a lot less expensive than this Jaspers stuff.

A couple of things:
The Ultimate Support A-Frame stuff was discontinued years ago. Even new back then it was similarly price to the Jaspers Systems and from my experience the Jasper is much sturdier-better stuff. I had my P-5 fall backwards from a U.S. A-Frame.Playability was a scary thing on those.
I know there are a few copycat A-Frames on Musiciansfriend and Amazon.com for around $100 but they look kinda naff.

Cheers
P.

[SovietSpaceChild]

I finally got my stand in the mail. How in the world did you guys get the clamps to fit into the sides of the stands?

[djugel]

I dunno why... but A-frames make my dick limp?

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

I finally got my stand in the mail. How in the world did you guys get the clamps to fit into the sides of the stands?

Put side frame on it's side on the floor, loosen the clamps, but not all the way out

stick each pipe on the hole and roll it bit to get it in, and then just rotate it in while using your bodyweight.

I leave a little gap, so it doesn't touch the side frame, you can see where it is through the slit on teh clamp

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

Put side frame on it's side on the floor, loosen the clamps, but not all the way out

stick each pipe on the hole and roll it bit to get it in, and then just rotate it in while using your bodyweight.

I leave a little gap, so it doesn't touch the side frame, you can see where it is through the slit on teh clamp

Hmmm, I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. There are round clamps on the aluminum pipes with little tabs sticking out of them which are supposed to lock into the sides of the stand, as pictured on the little cardboard card which the stand came with. Looking at your pictures, though, it doesn't look like you fastened them. Without fastening them, though, the pipes will rotate if you put too much pressure on them.

Here's an image from their site with a properly fastened clamp:

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

Hmmm, I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. There are round clamps on the aluminum pipes with little tabs sticking out of them which are supposed to lock into the sides of the stand, as pictured on the little cardboard card which the stand came with. Looking at your pictures, though, it doesn't look like you fastened them. Without fastening them, though, the pipes will rotate if you put too much pressure on them.

Here's an image from their site with a properly fastened clamp:

Ahh I was wondering what they were for, no matter, once it's tight it won't rotate. Anything lighter than a Jp8 won't have any issue
Even my Pp8 with the clamps not fully tight won't rotate

With the JP8 I flipped the holders around, because all the weight is on the back end of the JP8

I guess you just unloosen them and slide it in, some WD40 will help
If you look closely there is a slotted tab in the clamp, so it fits together like a jigsaw puzzle

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

Ahh I was wondering what they were for, no matter once it's tight it won't rotate. Anything lighter than a Jp8 won't have any issue
Even my Pp8 with the clamps not fully tight won't rotate

With the JP8 I flipped the holders around, because all the weight is on the back end of the JP8

I guess you just unloosen them and slide it in, some WD40 will help
If you look closely there is a slotted tab in the clamp, so it fits together like a jigsaw puzzle

Seems like a bit too snug of a fit, I can't get them to slide in :-\

I think I'll try taking the whole thing apart tomorrow and fitting the slots before inserting the aluminum tubes.

EDIT:

Just got it, you kind of need to nudge them back and forth until they fit.

[elysiuman]

Just a question, would Jaspers stands be ok for stage (live).
How hard it would be to put them together and transport them..
Thank you.

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by elysiuman

Just a question, would Jaspers stands be ok for stage (live).
How hard it would be to put them together and transport them..
Thank you.

They're are very light when fully assembled, being made of alumium. I could carry around the largest one I have quite easily.

When dismantled, it breakes down into 2 side frames and 4 tubes. Now each section is even lighter

Takes about 10-15mins to assemble once you get some practise.

I recommend scrapping off the black foam pads, clear the residue off with isopropanol alchol or turpentine, and stick some heavy duty self adhesive felt pad surface savers you can get at hardware stires in their place. These won't compress and fall off, and protect the bottom of your synths better

[elysiuman]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

They're are very light when fully assembled, being made of alumium. I could carry around the largest one I have quite easily.

When dismantled, it breakes down into 2 side frames and 4 tubes. Now each section is even lighter

Takes about 10-15mins to assemble once you get some practise.

I recommend scrapping off the black foam pads, clear the residue off with isopropanol alchol or turpentine, and stick some heavy duty self adhesive felt pad surface savers you can get at hardware stires in their place. These won't compress and fall off, and protect the bottom of your synths better

Thanks Cool! Do you reckon,when dismantled, it can be fit in a Commodore, sideways?

[CoolColJ]

yeah, it's not that big
Side pieces are 55x130cm
Tube length will vary depending on the model, mine are about 140cm
Some are 120cm, 150 etc

[elysiuman]

Thanks.

[Memphisto77]

Hey guys

I'm thinking of getting the "Jaspers 4D-120B" keyboard stand. The synths it will be holding are Roland JD800, Roland Promars, Roland Juno-106 and the DSI MoPho. Some of these synths are pretty heavy.

Do you know if the Jaspers 4D-120B is strong/sturdy enough to hold these synths?

Jaspers 4D-120B - Thomann UK Cyberstore

[CoolColJ]

Originally Posted by Memphisto77

Hey guys

I'm thinking of getting the "Jaspers 4D-120B" keyboard stand. The synths it will be holding are Roland JD800, Roland Promars, Roland Juno-106 and the DSI MoPho. Some of these synths are pretty heavy.

Do you know if the Jaspers 4D-120B is strong/sturdy enough to hold these synths?

Jaspers 4D-120B - Thomann UK Cyberstore

The 2nd tier is the same as my stand and it holds a Jupiter 8, which is 21kg or so, no problem. Much heavier than anything you have
Except I had to flip the support arms the other way around as the JP8 has all the weight on the backside, even though the support arms are tilted forwards. Otherwise it puts too much pressure of the clamps, with less support, due to the way they are designed

I had to replace the rubber pads on the arms, since they are soft and get squashed by heavy synths. I scrapped them off, cleaned up the residue with alcohol. Then stuck on some heavy duty felt self adhesive surface saver pads from a hardware store in their place - works better as they are thicker, and won't get squashed, while still being soft on the synths and will take the screws on the underside just fine

You can also order extra arms to reduce stress if you want.

[Memphisto77]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

The 2nd tier is the same as my stand and it holds a Jupiter 8, which is 21kg or so, no problem. Much heavier than anything you have
Except I had to flip the support arms the other way around as the JP8 has all the weight on the backside, even though the support arms are tilted forwards. Otherwise it puts too much pressure of the clamps, with less support, due to the way they are designed

I had to replace the rubber pads on the arms, since they are soft and get squashed by heavy synths. I scrapped them off, cleaned up the residue with alcohol. Then stuck on some heavy duty felt self adhesive surface saver pads from a hardware store in their place - works better as they are thicker, and won't get squashed, while still being soft on the synths and will take the screws on the underside just fine

You can also order extra arms to reduce stress if you want.

Great, thanks for your reply! I'll give it a go....

The thing that worried me was this info on the Jaspers website:

"Extra strong lower tiers with holders of 60 cm length for heavy instruments up to 40 kgs. On the upper tiers with holders of 40 cm length we recommend weights up to 15 kgs, or more, when strenghtened like the lower tier with an extra tube in the back where the holders lie on too. Ask for strengthening sets when needed."

I could of course get the strengthening set, but if it's not needed.... why waste the money.

But I guess they have to set the max. weight a bit low so they won't get sued or something...

[CoolColJ]

yeah I was worried too, but the JP8 is solid on the stand

The 4 tier at standard height might be a bit cramped though. 3 tier feels just right

[Memphisto77]

I got my Jasper's stand today....