if you have some experience in programming synths, and you don't like the sound of this (or any) synth, trust yourself. Much of this is subjective of course - sometimes you can learn how to program a synth better, and sometimes it can grow on you. but sometimes, if you don't like its core sound, it will come to irk you more over time. You'll always get people who say that the problem is you - that others can make good sounds with it, etc, but if you spend some serious time with it, and you simply can't get it to sound pleasing to you - then you very well might never bond with it. With experience, you can tell how much time you need to spend before you 'know' - and it's hard to gauge that. But I'd agree that the virus does not sound analog. The fact that some people can post patches that might sound that way isn't the same thing as programming it yourself and hearing how it responds to what you do.
Absolutely agree. It doesn't matter if it's an Andromeda, Jupiter 8, Virus TI, whatever, if the synth doesn't "speak" to you then that's the end of the game right there. Get something else and move on.
random side question - did you find older Viruses didn't have this harshness? Maybe it's the later model's eq section, or the 24 bit DACs you're objecting to if that's the case. The Virus A was 20 bit, iirc. if that sounds better to you, then "downgrade"?
Mardi, Jomox and Droolmaster....
I am all with you guys, the Virus did not do it for me either
so what did you get next ?
I've got my eye on the DSI tetra. I would like an andromeda however they're so expensive now and rarely come up on eBay that I don't think I'll never have one :(
They exist, but i hear their pins are what cost you.
The Ti's sound is definitely more refined and musical then any analogue synths that i own. Sure, there is a certain lack of lushness to it. But even as a subtractive synth, i would never say it sounds thin. (Unless you want thin). Just no where near the warmth of a Moog.
It literally makes the best drum hits on the market and even my eurocrack can't compare to it's routing capabilities. (it can actually feedback its own envelopes, to modulate it's own envelopes!) It's just different tools for different jobs.
It does if you dont have a stellar setup. He asked what to get next. I like analog, but I like good music better.
I guess, since this is GS, and not the low-end forum, that I assume a certain quality level when it comes to the recording rig.
If the rig sucks, then, yeah, I think that's where you go first. But, if you have a decent rig (ie. not recording with a Sound Blaster card), I think the distinction between an analog synth and a digital synth is enough for the person doing the recording/making the music not to start trying to convince them that a digital recording is a digital recording regardless of the instruments used to make the noises.
That is just as subjective an argument/point as anything else when it comes to making music.
That is just as subjective an argument/point as anything else when it comes to making music.
That's the whole point. OP is a synth snob and doesn't listen to objective arguments. Not that its wrong or anything but what point does he have asking us?
That's the whole point. OP is a synth snob and doesn't listen to objective arguments. Not that its wrong or anything but what point does he have asking us?
What objective argument has been made in this thread?
And, what is a synth snob? And, why is it wrong to come to this forum and ask fellow synth enthusiasts to recommend a synth?
I've got my eye on the DSI tetra. I would like an andromeda however they're so expensive now and rarely come up on eBay that I don't think I'll never have one :(
dude my step brother has the Andromeda it kicks ass HARD I want that thing super bad too bad ill prolly never have the money to get one lol
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Others seem to manage that just fine. So the question has to be why YOU can't get the sounds out of that box? Or are you just another synth snob?
How about the bit where Roy Batty squeezes Tyrell's head like a grapefruit?
I think Vangelis used a lot of CS 80 or some big yammie or Roland. I ddid not like the sounds that much. Ridley Scott (and his team) plus Rutger Hauer made that film great. Roy Batty is a great character.
I REALLY tried HARD to like its sound and oscillators.... but really, I cannot stand its digital souding nature. Even my beloved Kurzweils sound more organic (analog).....
Now I need a much better alternative, preferably analog.
What is the best recommended synth to replace it with?
I REALLY tried HARD to like its sound and oscillators.... but really, I cannot stand its digital souding nature. Even my beloved Kurzweils sound more organic (analog).....
Now I need a much better alternative, preferably analog.
What is the best recommended synth to replace it with?
I don't know, man... the Virus has a Virus sound... I have lots of vintage analogs but I have the Virus because it sounds like a Virus.
I guess, since this is GS, and not the low-end forum, that I assume a certain quality level when it comes to the recording rig.
If the rig sucks, then, yeah, I think that's where you go first. But, if you have a decent rig (ie. not recording with a Sound Blaster card), I think the distinction between an analog synth and a digital synth is enough for the person doing the recording/making the music not to start trying to convince them that a digital recording is a digital recording regardless of the instruments used to make the noises.
That is just as subjective an argument/point as anything else when it comes to making music.
UHHH, this is the electronic music instrument forum. Along with the low end forum both are at the Gearslutz website.
Great you make a distinction between analog and digital synths but not between a/d convertors? Lynx, M-audio, Behringer, RME, Prism have the same quality? Theyre all considered a step up from Soundblaster.
I have a Virus TI2 and a Blofeld, and every day that I turn the two on, I'm surprised at how much more I like the sounds coming out of the Blofeld. I would abandon the Virus entirely if it weren't for the sheer versatility of it even as an external effects and processing unit.
I completely understand why people love the machine, and the sturdiness of the thing need not be questioned. It's amazingly versatile. I just can't fall in love with it, for the life of me.
I guess that's to say, I'm taking offers for a desktop unit mint condition, will all accessories, original documentation, box, etc. Not in a rush to ditch it, so no jokers please.
That's the whole point. OP is a synth snob and doesn't listen to objective arguments. Not that its wrong or anything but what point does he have asking us?
Give me a break.
I am in no way a synth snob, I just stated my opinion on the Virus TI.
It just doesnt wow me in any way so I will sell it.
Before I bought it I extensive compared it to the Virus A, B and C.
Yes, the A B C are a bit rawer in sound but its very close if you disable the EQs and FX.
But I dont want to buy any vintage synth for repair/maintainance reasons.
So no Synthex, JP8 or any of that.
That leaves the Andromeda or SE Code or Prophet 08 or Sunsyn for real analog goodness.
I checked out the Andy some years ago but the presets suck. So i need to buy and program it thoroughly... after selling the Virus.
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UHHH, this is the electronic music instrument forum. Along with the low end forum both are at the Gearslutz website.
Great you make a distinction between analog and digital synths but not between a/d convertors? Lynx, M-audio, Behringer, RME, Prism have the same quality? Theyre all considered a step up from Soundblaster.
I think that you totally missed his point. (UHHHH)
yes the virus can be made to sound analog with time and patience but if thats the sound people want why not buy an analog and get that sound straight away?
if you have some experience in programming synths, and you don't like the sound of this (or any) synth, trust yourself. Much of this is subjective of course - sometimes you can learn how to program a synth better, and sometimes it can grow on you. but sometimes, if you don't like its core sound, it will come to irk you more over time. You'll always get people who say that the problem is you - that others can make good sounds with it, etc, but if you spend some serious time with it, and you simply can't get it to sound pleasing to you - then you very well might never bond with it. With experience, you can tell how much time you need to spend before you 'know' - and it's hard to gauge that. But I'd agree that the virus does not sound analog. The fact that some people can post patches that might sound that way isn't the same thing as programming it yourself and hearing how it responds to what you do.
Here is an objective point. If you can make that patch once you can save it. Better yet share it. heehe hint hint.
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