Game over. Thanks for playing!

[wwjd]

My mastering for free experiment thread was removed due to TERMS OF SERVICE here.
Sorry to those of you that didn't get to benefit from that.

I suppose that hurts the peeps here that do that for profit? Not really - if I picked up a bunch of folk that would have never bothered to pay for mastering in the first place. If anything, maybe I would show them that it can be worth paying for.

Oh well. Rules is rules. And I don't want to get banned for trying to be a nice guy. But that is typical on this planet.
I guess I'll have to try some other places that centralize on harmony and other music forums.

To those I'm already working with, we're still good to go and getting to you in order received.

[organsymphony]

That kinda sucks, I read your thread and liked what you were offering. I wouldn't worry yourself over it though, people here have been banned/censored for a lot less, its a really ****ing weird forum.

[wwjd]

PM me something if ya want. I was NEVER trying to advertise any business on here. What if I said I was just some guy, having fun, wanting to help other people? Fergit any business aspect.

See... this is one of those pointless pain in the bottom aspects of business: RED TAPE. I like to get in, do the job, HELP OTHERS, and get out... no legal worries, no time waste or inefficiency, no prisoners, no 60 page legal docs to review, JUST MUSIC. "Business" creates all this other stacks-o-crap that don't enjoy bothering with, and don't particularly see as important at all. Which means I'll end up with someone else as my manager. meh... ok.

We "Over law" ourselves. Who is behind that? Lawyers, of course. In the old days, when you fought someone, you punched them in the face. Now, you hire lawyers, and they take your money and theirs and waste months and months over something that should have been over in seconds by the guy with the bigger fist. Not the guy with the bigger wallet :D

NEXT ON "PHILOSOPHY WITH GREG"
hahahaha

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by wwjd

My mastering for free experiment thread was removed due to TERMS OF SERVICE here.

[rokuez]

Originally Posted by Simonator

follow the $$$
i see a lotta gearslutz users who are probably really advertisers in disguise....

[wwjd]

What's funny is what I was offering was a great thing to many people here in EMI&EMP forum specifically - which is why I posted here and not in "Mastering" or "low end". If people can't help each other here.... then where?

But I understand if it COULD hurt someone's bottom line here, it doesn't belong.

The people, feedback, music and experiences I'm getting and giving in the experiment are fantastic! It's a win/win so far.

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by wwjd

But I understand if it COULD hurt someone's bottom line here, it doesn't belong.

You mentioned this in the OP... but I don't really understand this. Was this said to you in a warning or something?

How is it 'hurting' anyone's income if you do some free work for some newbies who would not be shelling out for mastering anyway?

Even if it was taking money away from other mastering services, then so what? Are they paying for advertising on this site?


I've seen plenty of similar threads like this before, and in this same sub-forum too.
Off the top of my head I remember these two:

*FREE* Dance Music Mastering (Final mixes only, no stems!)

Free profesional Mixing,Mastering

What was different about your thread that meant it got killed when these weren't?

[wwjd]

Originally Posted by Simonator

Are they paying for advertising on this site?

What was different about your thread that meant it got killed when these weren't?

probably, I don't know, not worried about it. money is the reason for everything on this planet. and sadly, the reason a good many things suck too.

Since this is not a PAYING MEMBERS ONLY private forum, I thought my idea was a good one to help others in a public place totally for free.
Or maybe someone just doesn't like me, I don't know

Most of you frequent other forums.... I'm doing it over THERE instead

[fooloof]

Originally Posted by wwjd

probably, I don't know, not worried about it. money is the reason for everything on this planet. and sadly, the reason a good many things suck too.

Since this is not a PAYING MEMBERS ONLY private forum, I thought my idea was a good one to help others in a public place totally for free.
Or maybe someone just doesn't like me, I don't know

Most of you frequent other forums.... I'm doing it over THERE instead

can't people send stuff to your private website or facebook page?

[Morechips]

Be great if if one of the moderators could post a quick 'reason for the thread being closed' post.

[wwjd]

I'm not running a business, just testing the waters of how good I am. No website or facebook page yet. Everyone I work with says I should be in business, and I constantly get people that want to PAY me, but I am just enjoying the process involved with music, music creation, finalization etc.

So, I posted here simply seeking a wider variety of music to play with, and make certain I am good enough outside my local circles... to maybe actually go into business. Not just mastering, but I do artist development, mix recording engineering, song writing etc... this was ONE small aspect.

But, there is probably people here that pay for advertising that don't want to see more competition getting better skills from a forum THEY help pay for. I agree. I'd hate to see others use MY cash investments for thier purpose to put me out of business. It makes sense in a twisted way.
SOMEONE has to pay for GS servers and bandwidth to stay free.

But, I've never read any Terms Of Service of anything, anywhere and never will. VERY FEW real people ever bother. Usually lawyer speak is just an over bloated, self employing waste of everyone's time.

So, I was wrong. Thanks for correcting me instead of banning me, GS. I enjoy this place.

[wwjd]

Originally Posted by Morechips

Be great if if one of the moderators could post a quick 'reason for the thread being closed' post.

the reason is: free service ads are not permitted. it's in some rules somewhere we are all supposed to comply with. fair enough.

[dhollmusik]

Originally Posted by wwjd

the reason is: free service ads are not permitted. it's in some rules somewhere we are all supposed to comply with. fair enough.

It's to prevent internet cowboys from ensnaring more gullible forum folk. Clearly you were never one of these cowboys, but sometimes the good guys are affected by rules which concern the bad guys.

Perhaps if the thread was something like "Wanna practice my mastering", then in the OP it said nothing of business or future ambition, but just said something like "Anyone fancy sending me their final mixed song for me to practice my mastering skills on? Just for fun.".


I think because you used the keyword "business" it raised the alarm here.

I for one applaud your efforts and hope there can be some way for Slutz to offer each other free services without breaking any forum rules. Maybe a mod can chime in about how we might go about that.

[Ghosty Dog]

Originally Posted by wwjd

What's funny is what I was offering was a great thing to many people here in EMI&EMP forum specifically - which is why I posted here and not in "Mastering" or "low end". If people can't help each other here.... then where?

But I understand if it COULD hurt someone's bottom line here, it doesn't belong.

The people, feedback, music and experiences I'm getting and giving in the experiment are fantastic! It's a win/win so far.

Ok, you mentioned you were going into business. Imagine I'm an advertiser/sponsor on Slutz. I see you as impinging on my potential business from here.
Now, if you only said you'd like to collaborate with artists....

[Morechips]

Originally Posted by wwjd

the reason is: free service ads are not permitted. it's in some rules somewhere we are all supposed to comply with. fair enough.

Well you are right, it is fair enough. Strange though that we can give each other free sample packs? not that I am complaining about that as I downloaded an 808 pack and very nice it is too!

Good luck with the mastering! I am interested if you want to share tips instead of the free service .

[Dirty Halo]

It's just a bit funny where one draws the "free services" or "free advertising" line:

There's people who pay good money to have their ad up on this top banner.

But, then what about the sig that says "Mercenary Audio" (not picking on any one at all, just by way of example)?

Or what about the member who says, "Yeah, I fix that synth... that Lexicon..."?

Or when someone asks about SSl studios in the L.A. area and several studios chime in?

How about a session player posting here?

All valid.

Just curious where and what that line is (and I'll admit, I think WWJD got a raw deal from what I saw... just offering to improve his own Mastering chops when I see WAAAY more blatant gear pimping and service "hooking.")

IMHO

-a

[tyler477]

It doesn't seem very baffling for me, not saying the OP was or is trying to do this but MANY MANY businesses offer "free" services to gain clientelle for later paying jobs... "free samples" if you will.

I think that the line is drawn when somebody merely posts a reply in anothers thread offering service, but starting a thread dedicated to your business is another story.

Perhaps you could make a new account and start a thread saying "is anyone here offering free mastering?" then respond with "oh yes, I offer that service, PM me for details"

[dhollmusik]

Originally Posted by tyler477

Perhaps you could make a new account and start a thread saying "is anyone here offering free mastering?" then respond with "oh yes, I offer that service, PM me for details"

No, that's clearly against forum rules.

We need Reptil or Don to join this thread and suggest how wwjd would be able to offer his services without breaking any forum rules.

[dhollmusik]

Wow...just noticed the thread has completely vanished from existence...I thought it was just locked.

That is harsh, innit?

[wwjd]

it's cuz I'm GOOOOOOD!

Someone had posted up a really positive review. So positive, it probably even looked fake. But it certainly wasn't.
Wasn't trying to gain clients (in my niavety, I'm sure it looked like it), i just wanted to help people in this forum with thier tunes, and get access to a wider variety of material.
I'm up and kicking elsewhere on the net... where harmony is centralized (wink wink!) and it's going well there.

Never meant to bugger anyone (the ad people) here

[NYCHouseDJ]

WWJD: If you'd still like to talk about entertainment law like you mentioned, email me

[rokuez]

Originally Posted by Morechips

Be great if if one of the moderators could post a quick 'reason for the thread being closed' post.

some will claim its against the "rules" and they will just say its against the rules...

but it is because of $$$

hypothetically offering free mastering services could potentially cause someone out there to not purchase some outboard gear.

a lot of people use this forum to make $$$.

When they see anything that effects their flow they want it stopped especially if they are paying for advertising.

i see a lot of posts on this forum and a lot of people here post but are really advertisers in disguise!

If you see someone constantly praising some piece of outboard gear in each and every thread.... and if you see somebody coming into every single thread to praise such and such outboard gear well... they are not doing it for free!!

I've even seen some threads that were really just advertisements, and then i see the disguised advertiser posters come in and praise such and such outboard gear to high heavens basically trying to influence people into buying it...

it is what it is. and it IS about the $

[Reptil]

Very simple: it's to create a FAIR and level playing field; everyone gets an equal opportunity. Yes, there's €£$ involved, but that's to keep the show on the road. Did you really think that such a huge forum (with ridiculously high traffic) can be hosted for free? Did you think the guys that are working on the backend, as a fulltime job don't eat? SOMEONE has to pay for that.

I'm sorry about your thread disappearing, but you were undercutting mastering guys with that. Your motive was honorable, but no can do: This forum will descend into a chaotic spamfest if we allow that.
What you CAN do is put a small banner in your signature.

The official advertising is also there to offer an opportunity for the pros to offer their services. Instead of cluttering the forum.
If you see advertising that is trying to fly under the radar, you can report that post. PLEASE check the rules before reporting? We (Don and I) are human beings, with a life, and can't read everything. (though we try) So the success of this place depends on YOU.

Then as for the comments about "censoring" and "banning"; if you have some specific questions, you can always contact Don or me, we REALLY try to facillitate communication here, not restrict it. Verbal abuse though will not be tolerated, nor other kinds of BS. If GS is to remain a friendly place, where all sorts of ppl. can communicate, we got to keep a tidy ship.

thank you for your contribution!

[stinkyfingers]

"would anyone be able to provide me with a finished track i can test some limiter and eq plug-ins on...?"

[rokuez]

Originally Posted by Reptil

Yes, there's €£$ involved,

Originally Posted by Reptil

If you see advertising that is trying to fly under the radar, you can report that post. PLEASE check the rules before reporting? We (Don and I) are human beings, with a life, and can't read everything. (though we try) So the success of this place depends on YOU.

one problem with gearslutz IMO

is that you have individuals on this forum who act like they are just regular forum members.... but they come into every single thread praising such and such outboard gear.. its quite obvious they are advertisers.

Would it be OK to call these people out?

Would it be OK to systematically reveal the gearslutz forum advertisers who disguise themselves as forum members but are in reality just advertisements in disguise?

or is that against the rules?

honestly its one thing i hate about gearslutz all these advertisers who disguise themselves as forum members....
the reason why i dislike these forum-advertisers disguised as average joes is because they are basically trying to be slick and trying to influence others into buying their gear but are basically doing so in such a way that it is misinformation!


and whats worse is that entire threads get created by these so called forum members who are really just spammers/advertisers but its allowed cause its the "rules" i bet....


i was really upset that guys thread got deleted while we have these other advertisers who are just thinking they are slick misinforming everyone by creating clever propaganda

i believe the success of this place depends on having accurate information being presented not misinformation via slick forum advertisers who disguise themselves and go into every thread saying how great such and such outboard is!

[sftd]

I'd like to say that if my comment had a hand in any of this I am dearly sorry. Everything I said was because I was grateful for the awesome job done on my song. I was never remotely prompted or asked to say anything positive or otherwise, I did it of my own accord because not only did I think the job done was excellent but the offer itself was a super generous one.

One thing I can promise is that I think and speak only for myself in matters like this.

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz.com App

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by rokuez

Would it be OK to systematically reveal the gearslutz forum advertisers who disguise themselves as forum members but are in reality just advertisements in disguise?

Yes! That would be ok. Sneaky recommendations that are really advertising are a PITA. Still... a sales guy can comment on a piece of gear, talk about it's functions etc. It's a thin line, and Jules is trying to keep the whole thing transparent, who's who etc. Lately the signatures are restricted to 1 post per thread, but it's good etiquette if salespeople reveal their true intent by posting their company info, in their signature.
BTW, being too pushy with advertising your product often backfires, no one takes guys that insistantly post about how cool their plug is, very serious.

Originally Posted by rokuez

i believe the success of this place depends on having accurate information being presented not misinformation via slick forum advertisers who disguise themselves and go into every thread saying how great such and such outboard is!

correct.
the good have to suffer with the bad, sorry WWJD.

Originally Posted by sftd

I'd like to say that if my comment had a hand in any of this I am dearly sorry. Everything I said was because I was grateful for the awesome job done on my song. I was never remotely prompted or asked to say anything positive or otherwise, I did it of my own accord because not only did I think the job done was excellent but the offer itself was a super generous one.

One thing I can promise is that I think and speak only for myself in matters like this.

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz.com App

Now, that is advertising that is both permissable and it works.

[rokuez]

Originally Posted by Reptil

Yes! That would be ok. Sneaky recommendations that are really advertising are a PITA. Still... a sales guy can comment on a piece of gear, talk about it's functions etc. It's a thin line, and Jules is trying to keep the whole thing transparent, who's who etc. Lately the signatures are restricted to 1 post per thread, but it's good etiquette if salespeople reveal their true intent by posting their company info, in their signature.
BTW, being too pushy with advertising your product often backfires, no one takes guys that insistantly post about how cool their plug is, very serious.

JAWesome

cause there are tons of threads were these supposed forum members go into threads or create threads and proclaim how great such and such outboard gear is....

i notice a lotta fake-forum-members who are basically gear pimps & they go into every preamp/outboard gear thread and say "well i bought this and it really made my sound better!"


if we are allowed to go and post in those same threads to OUT these fake forum members who are really just gear pimps I'll be surprised..


Are we allowed to go into those same threads , and show Real Forum Member how Often specific gear pimps will create hype for gear...?


If I was a forum member and someone offered me some advice about a pre amp... and then i find out that the person who offered me that advice basically goes around into EVERY thread offering the same advice about the same preamp (and only that companies preamp) I would feel extremely misinformed and I would feel dubiously towards that supposed forum member. Or I would at least be suspect about the genuineness of the information i was presented with... IF i had known that the supposed forum member was constantly going around hyping the gear!

& IMO this happens Regularly and routinely on this forum. Misinformation from gear pimps who have to jump into every thread to promote the same thing over and over again!


I would love it if every-time these gear pimps posted hyping their gear we could also post and say "not so fast Mr. Propaganda Gear-Pimp! You've been going into literally every outboard thread hyping the same product..." Then real forum members would see the MULTITUDE of URLS showing how such and such gear pimp literally hops into every thread hyping up the gear he's selling!


I think it would lead to better information and less misinformation.

[Reptil]

I think so too. And that was the intent of Gearslutz all along. Not as an advertiser platform to jump unsuspecting producers.

Weeding the good from the bad is a momentous task, true. Nothing is 100% perfect in this world.

[Tarkovsky]

Originally Posted by Reptil

Weeding the good from the bad is a momentous task, true. Nothing is 100% perfect in this world.

Too true... especially when it comes to making tracks. It's a painstaking process. Much like anything worthwhile in life. Sigh.

I will definitely admit to being a fanboy for D16 plugins. Not because I'm in anyway paid to do it... but because they're awesome. Same goes for wav alchemy drum samples. However I did get those drum samples for free because I made a demo. I also wouldn't've made a demo of their stuff if I didn't think their samples are fantastic and use them in my own stuff all the time.

Shame about your mastering service. Maybe I'll send you something along. What kind of compressors have you got going? There's nothing like tasty masterbus compression pump!