Need synth suggestions with $2000 budget (need pad/ambient suggestions)

[Daylon Faine]

all of it minus the percussion

[Daylon Faine]

Originally Posted by Dubtek71

That's NOT a demo. That is a fully finished and released track from a well known Detroit producer.

i never said the track was a demo, i said its a demo of the poly evolver for John to listen too

[Daylon Faine]

Originally Posted by chrisso

Exactly.
How would you know what was used?
There's no 'pads' in the mix anyway, it's largely evolving single lines.
The Poly Evolver sounds really great from what I've heard. I just don't think it's right to blanket dismiss cheaper, arguably more flexible alternatives.

the track has been posted by a few gearslutz members in the past, just look through poly evolver vs prophet 08 threads. Its the poly evolver and just for the record i never mentioned the track had poly evolver pads.

[chrisso]

You said......

Originally Posted by Daylon Faine

sorry but these pads sound terrible, they sound tinny, far to clean and have no natural movment. That ambient track sounded just like i was describing earlier, logical, technically detailed and without honest emotion (throw away)

Now listen to this demo of the poly evolver:-

YouTube - ‪Omar-S - Psychotic Photosynthesis‬‏

The discussion is 'pads' and you clearly said "demo of the PolyEvolver".
If you didn't mean either you're just confusing the discussion.

[Daylon Faine]

Originally Posted by chrisso

Sorry you're talking utter rubbish.
The Juno 60 is great I agree. I owned one for a few years, I also own Omnisphere. It's an apples and oranges comparison.
Softsynths are great for some things. I use them a lot of for atmospheres and ambience. I don't tend to use them for bass or fx.
Digital synths also have something different to offer, I own a D50 and a Microwave.
Building a studio around one philosophy (analog) is one dimensional and restrictive.
Fine if that's what you want for yourself, but beware persuading others (less experienced) it's the only way.

Your entitled to your opinion but i dont appreciate being told im talking utter rubbish! and unless you know johnchips personally, its quite patronising to assume he has not got his own mind and im leading him estray.

Johnchips clearly expressed how important honest emotional ambience and analog synths were to him. Im using my skills as an artist and a born synaesthete to help him. I never said one should be without digital synths, and my studio is anything but one directional, i work with sound, paint, sculpture, and video . Im an artist and spend great deals of time looking at the world, studying it and responding to it both emotionally and honestly. Im not saying im any kind of expert, im just offering me experience and thoughts

Analog is organic, digital is artificial, this is a fact im sure you know. Johnchips wants to create organic sounding music and he admits that looking at screens and going through menus takes away his creativity. He mentioned he wishes to choose between the JD900, JX8p, juno 60 and he seems interested in omnisphere. Say all you want but out of these, the Juno 60 is the most user friendly, nicest sounding, affordable and intuitive + he will probably make a profit on it if he decides to sell it at a later date.

[Daylon Faine]

Originally Posted by chrisso

You said......



The discussion is 'pads' and you clearly said "demo of the PolyEvolver".
If you didn't mean either you're just confusing the discussion.

sheesh!, he mentioned the evolver earlier, i gave my opinion about the experience ive had with mine and posted that track so he could hear what the evolver in an ambient track sounded like. I think your just attacking minor details now.

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by Daylon Faine

Analog is organic, digital is artificial, this is a fact im sure you know.

They are both musical tools that are powered by electricity, that's all I know. Is one 'organic'?

Evolver:

An analog/digital hybrid, the four-voice Poly Evolver features four oscillators per voice—two analog and two digital—in a unique stereo voice architecture with a real Curtis analog low-pass filter per channel. The digital processing does not simply add effects at the end of the signal chain, but is tightly integrated with the analog electronics for tuned feedback, distortion, bit crushing, and synced delays. It can also process external audio and has separate stereo outputs for each voice.

I'm just saying they are all valid tools.
You pick the tool that does what you need and sounds best to your ear.
That doesn't mean one is 'playing with scalectrix' or 'playing with computer racing games'.
Posting the word 'playing' is a clear message they aren't serious tools - - which of course they are.

[Daylon Faine]

Originally Posted by chrisso

They are both musical tools that are powered by electricity, that's all I know. Is one 'organic'?

Evolver:



I'm just saying they are all valid tools.
You pick the tool that does what you need and sounds best to your ear.
That doesn't mean one is 'playing with scalectrix' or 'playing with computer racing games'.
Posting the word 'playing' is a clear message they aren't serious tools - - which of course they are.

you really need to go back through the posts, the evolver was mentioned because johnchips expressed interest in it. 2 analog oscillators give you an organic sound, the digital oscillators could give him weirdness. Its an organic sounding synth but can sound artificial. The digital oscillators ran through the analog filters sound a hell of alot more alive than stand alone digital synths.

Yes i agree, there are all valid tools and unless you experience any synth first hand you cant really determine what will work best.

If im wanting to transcend with pads, analog gets me flying, the softsynths/digital synths give me a none flying experience, with softsynths i feel more like i have a controller in my hand playing scaletrix - its really boring and i cant experience being in the car. and the digital synths i feel like ive got a controller in my hand and im experiencing movement artificially just like a video game. Maybe this does not make sense to you, but its for Johnchips to think about

[chrisso]

For the record my music creation is almost all hardware synths, especially analog.
Omnisphere is extremely easy to use, intuitive and actually great sounding.
The library is so massive, and the tweakability so easy and instant you aren't spending any significant time with the mouse or diving through menus....... although you could if you wanted to.

[Daylon Faine]

Originally Posted by chrisso

For the record my music creation is almost all hardware synths, especially analog.
Omnisphere is extremely easy to use, intuitive and actually great sounding.
The library is so massive, and the tweakability so easy and instant you aren't spending any significant time with the mouse or diving through menus....... although you could if you wanted to.

well for the record i actually havnt used omnisphere first hand as i was completely put off after using goliath and RMX, i didnt like the interface or the sounds of these 2. The only software i like using is gforce m-tron, vsm and reaktor all for samples, GFORCE interfaces are quite good, nice and basic

[Teknobeam]

I think you are on the right track with the Little P and a Juno 60. You will have some amazing results. You could even switch it up a bit with a Voyager and a JX8P. That would also be huge but your first choices are great!

[drumdrumdrumdrum]

I do ambient. Love Omnisphere (not sure why some dudes are still using a 'mouse'? Get a trackball) Anyway, I sold my Juno-6 and totally regret it. I used that on every track. I want one back. "She will be mine again. She will be mine."

[tonnu]

i think it depends on what kinda "pad" you want

if you have listened to just beiber's timestretch 800x youtube vid going around, you'd realize that awesome evolving pads can be had with processing any source materials, especially acoustic as they are rich in shifting harmonic content.

i'd say get good processing like reverbs, granular delays, spectral delays, and pitchshifting will be really, really useful. note that these do not have to be expensive as a lot of more leftfield processing stuff are free even (i.e. ktgranulator, many of the weird pitchshifting stuff) and "artifacts" from these processes are actually desirable (i.e. you would not want 100% accurate pitchshifts)

another one is wavetable stuff as modulating through the wavetable will give you sounds that are NOT achievable with analog synths and are much more "evolving"

that said, i love analog pads myself. if you r looking for more traditional pad sounds, then analog is the way to go!

[Augsy]

if your going hardware I would stick to analog, if you want the VA sound theres plenty of great software available. I have a prophet 08 and it can do lots of thick lush pads in stack mode.

[sizzlemeister]

Originally Posted by Augsy

if your going hardware I would stick to analog, if you want the VA sound theres plenty of great software available. I have a prophet 08 and it can do lots of thick lush pads in stack mode.

O. M. G. This thread is a scream.

Anyway, anyone ruling out a Prophet 08 is foolish; it's made for pads (among other things)...emotive pads at that.

And anyone saying a PolyEvolver doesn't sound "organic" has never played one.

When it comes to pads, the world is your oyster - any combination of sound-source and time-based effect will get you good, "emotional" pads.