Ipad - native instruments

[LiveFromKyoto]

No, the iPad has a different OS (iOS), the same as the iPhone. It's got plenty of its own music creation apps of varying quality, but you can't transfer software to it from your computer.

[Dysanfel]

It is getting better everyday, but its not quite there yet.

[clusterchord]

do you guys think an Ableton for iPad will ever come, are there any hints someone might develop a more regular, full featured daw or live-oriented daw, for iPad ?


that would be awesome. these are small and (comparably) cheap to regular laptops, so it would be easy to have a backup when gigging..among other advantages.

[Yoozer]

Any DAW benefits from the following things:

- system specifications as much geared towards raw power as possible
- a display that's as big as possible
- lots of storage

Any tablet machine is geared towards:

- consumption first, production somewhere last
- long battery life
- portability

As you can see those are conflicting goals.

Add to that that an Ableton-clone for iPad would have to be recompiled for the A5, that you can't just drop wave files in there, and that you'd have to redo the interface pretty much completely, and combine that with the expected pricing of an app, and you see why it's probably not a good idea to put Live on the iPad.

Which will not stop various clones from popping up, though - but they have the benefit of no baggage.

[wax808]

Originally Posted by Edward Shnapper

Is it possible to load native instruments onto the IPAD and create patches? If so, i won't buy a laptop but a IPAD instead. Just want something i can take to the cafe etc and create sounds.

If you want something to take to create sounds mobile check out Jasuto Pro. It has an AU also so you can transfer your created patches from an iPad to your Laptop. It's an awesome sound design tool.

I have lots of stuff in my studio. MPC, MV, multiple synths and samplers. I'm still finding things I can do on my iPad that I can't really do in my Studio. The Korg iMS20 is a great app that I just picked up. Supposedly it can sync to Midi. If that's true I'll be able to create tracks mobile, then sync them at home to record and do whatever with. Pretty powerful stuff.

[crufty]

Originally Posted by clusterchord

do you guys think an Ableton for iPad will ever come, are there any hints someone might develop a more regular, full featured daw or live-oriented daw, for iPad ?


that would be awesome. these are small and (comparably) cheap to regular laptops, so it would be easy to have a backup when gigging..among other advantages.

I think ipad as daw controller is more likely.

The arm even dual core wont hold a candle compared to the i7. But using an i7 mp/mbp as a node based time, midi and sound source...yeah i can see that being part of apples thinking. "you have x? Great! Now buy y too and really let loose.".

If logic could allow us to create real midi panels and then we have an ipad front end on the sequencing / controller side...that would be ace. Korg ims20 has proven to me multi touch is the real future of vst/au interfaces...a real reason to have sliders and knobs on screen.


Ps i hate ipad typing with a passion. Anybody who has used a korg microkorg and thought wtf is this shizz...that about sums it up.

[t_d]

not to mention doing any precise navigation editing with your finger tips isn't nearly as effective as a mouse.. moving tiny knobs while your finger covers the GUI isn't good... the mouse is a much more superior input device...

Originally Posted by t_d

the mouse is a much more superior input device...

Only for certain tasks...

A mouse is more precise than a using your fingers on a tablet, true.

But using 10 fingers can give you more control over various parameters at the same time with the right interface design. Multi touch interfaces for the masses have only been around for a few years.

It's the same dilemma with a pen tablet such as the wacom series. You can get faster with a mouse, but you'll never be able to draw with a mouse. Well you can... but it's definitely not the right tool.

Each tool works for something.

[PapaSon]

An ipad is a great scratchpad for music ideas. You can learn how to sequence and come up with hundreds of ideas without being too bogged down with peripherals.

[zvukofor]

damn, iPad can be a perfect MIDI sequencer, with hardware MIDI I/O, and analog-like sequencing abilities — just right for fingers, excellent for live music! And where is all this?...it is almost a year, and nothing yet...

[kilon]

Originally Posted by Edward Shnapper

Is it possible to load native instruments onto the IPAD and create patches? If so, i won't buy a laptop but a IPAD instead. Just want something i can take to the cafe etc and create sounds.

well if you got a desktop available to take the processing burden you can use your ipad as a wireless second monitor. I used my ipad to use Camel Audio Alchemy and Garageband , it can get lagy when i drag the the entire window around, but for twisting knobs and editing presets it works flawlessly.

I use Splashtop. Anyone who says that ipad cannot be used for full blown music production, well .... he is dead wrong.


Splashtop Inc. - Splashtop Remote

Anything that can run on your desktop can be operated from the ipad. Absolutely Brilliant.

[login]

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If you want a tablet that can run any windows software, this is the one (but yeah its a laptop without keyboard)

iPods/iPads are very sophisticated toys.

[hikingdad]

Just got the lovely, quick, ASUS eee slate 4gb/64 gb SSD. WIN7

I have run Cubase 5 (32bit) easily using the built in USB/midi interface of the Yamaha MOX KEYBOARD to trigger a vst plugin (a simple free rhodes vsti). and have the audio come back out of the MOX.

COol.

Next couple of days, I'll test the MOTU Ultralight Hybrid (via USB) for a similar setup with multi outs.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by astroidmist

iPods/iPads are very sophisticated toys.

I'm using it as a controller, and since last week as a (phrase) sampler.
Massage sticks are regarded as toys too, but some people take these very seriously.

[wax808]

Originally Posted by zvukofor

damn, iPad can be a perfect MIDI sequencer, with hardware MIDI I/O, and analog-like sequencing abilities — just right for fingers, excellent for live music! And where is all this?...it is almost a year, and nothing yet...

I'm using StepPolyArp right now and I absolutely love it. iPad MIDI goes into MPC, MPC records/transmits the notes, I unhook the iPad and the MPC retains all those wonderful arps and patterns.

[wax808]

Originally Posted by astroidmist

iPods/iPads are very sophisticated toys.

Yes they are, you should stay away from them, how could a toy ever be useful to you? Go Big, Go Pro!!!!

[guitarfreak2810]

There is an FL Studio for iPad FWIW
FL Studio Mobile HD for iPad on the iTunes App Store

[realtrance]

There's all sorts of stuff on iPad, even just iPhone, that's great standalone for making music. Amidio has done sone great stuff, from Hexatone Pro to iHolophone to Noise.io Pro to Seline HD. All of these are sample-based instruments, each with an innovative and interesting fresh idea on control of the instrument. All of them are open to your adding your own samples.

In the more conventional area of DAWs, there's Nanostudio, amazingly prolific given the hardware limitations, and Beatmaker 2.

In further innovative design, Reactable has been converted from a very expensive hardware device into a great universal app that works on both IPhone and iPad.

Then don't forget ThumbJam, which is chock full of great samples and interesting tunings.

Jasuto is like a little app modular synth, amazingly flexible.

Sunvox is spectacularly great with a very weird, traditional design, seemingly very primitive but actually extremely flexible.

Filtatron does a pretty amazing job of digitizing a Moogerfooger for your iPhone/iPad. Sylo is a great granular synthesizer.

Then my current favorites, Morphwiz and most recently, Samplewiz. Jordan Rudess has clearly brought his many years of experience to bear on a software app, and combined forces with the guy who did the generative music for Electronic Arts' game, Spore. Both these apps are ground-breaking; Morphwiz is no less than a Haken Continuum brought to iPad, and then some; Samplewiz simplifies the resampling, granular synthesis and pitch-stretching you can do with a V-Synth, and makes it possible to use those techniques, and more, on your iPhone/iPad.

It's sheer pretentious ignorance to look down your nose at any one of these apps; they're all as professional as you wanna be, or great fun to play with stone drunk if you wish. They all make music, they all represent large amounts of intelligence and skill applied to entirely new platforms, and they're all as deep as the deepest trenches in the Pacific, if you surrender yourselves to them.

What was the question?

[realtrance]

Then there's: TouchOSC, Griid and others for wirelessly controlling Ableton and OSC-capable software (TouchOSC; works with Reaktor!) on your DAW. Forgot those.

[Slash Asterisk]

I use the ipad vcontrol as a C/24 for my pro tools/ mbp set up when mixing shows. I would love to use my ipad as a music making tool someday. I also bought that touch OSC app but couldn't seem to get it to work

[realtrance]

With both TouchOSC and Griid (latter for iPhone and Ableton, former for OSC-controllable software), it took me quite a bit of fiddling to set up. Both were rock-solid once configured properly, but it wasn't easy.

[SBX-80]

Originally Posted by t_d

the mouse is a much more superior input device...

Definitely not. For many tasks, using a mouse is like being born handicapped, like a baby who is missing 9 fingers and the mother is sitting on the hospital bed weeping, while the father is trying to comfort her.

The 100% healthy baby with 10 fingers can just reach out and manipulate anything on the screen to their hearts content. A very simple example could mean boosting the cutoff on a synth while at the same time you are cutting the resonance by turning two different knobs in realtime. The poor child born with only one finger would not be able to do this simple task, and neither would somebody with a mouse.

For many tasks, multitouch is far more intuitive, simpler, quicker and superior to a mouse. Before cars came along, horses used to be a perfectly acceptable and common mode of transportation. For most people today, they're not anymore.

[firby]

Jordan Rudess. ha. That guy flogs everything!

[Stiff]

Originally Posted by Reptil

and since last week as a (phrase) sampler.

Any more details about this?

[SBX-80]

Originally Posted by Stiff

Any more details about this?

Yeah, it's called SampleWiz. I made a thread about it a few days ago, after I happened to buy it.

Samplewiz for iPad