do the same tests as the 'comparisons of 5 moog synths' with the challenger & the voyager please!
i know it would be a bit biased but it would be neat to hear them both side by side in a similar aspect thumbsupstike
i was planning/thinking of repeating the demo with some other analogues, and the Voyager Old School - Don and i talked about it, and he promised to bring his OS over here. but that was 2 months ago.. im still waiting..
tho to me OS sounds tad better than Vygr, so this skewes the comparison a little bit.
as for Challenger, only way would be sending OurDarkness precise settings, and perhaps he can repeat the demo at least aproximately. or i could do the demo on my Formant Elektor, which is a discrete modular, whos circuits Challenger is based upon. tho im certain some new components were used instead bcs some stuff that Formant uses, like minis, arps etc, are long gone... (CA3084, CA3086, CA3046, uA726 etc). but im intrigued to find out how much is left of the formants character in this recreation. is it as insanely big sound ..
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wow nice review.!
this thing has an insanely complex design.!
interesting osc sections.
so you have to dial in the PWM with the mod wheel or you get all or nothing when you select PWM?
and how would you modulate the oscs using noise? would you have to get a separate noise generator externally and have that coming as an external input?
it must be able to make some very interesting, versatile and deep sounds. seems extremely powerful. why don't you have a go at the blaster beam sound?
(shame you cant X-mod and hard sync. thats what i used for my attempt)
ps
another golden beers i told you so moment:
told you so about the full res on the kick mate
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wow nice review.!
this thing has an insanely complex design.!
interesting osc sections.
so you have to dial in the PWM with the mod wheel or you get all or nothing when you select PWM?
and how would you modulate the oscs using noise? would you have to get a separate noise generator externally and have that coming as an external input?
it must be able to make some very interesting, versatile and deep sounds. seems extremely powerful. why don't you have a go at the blaster beam sound?
(shame you cant X-mod and hard sync. thats what i used for my attempt)
ps
another golden beers i told you so moment:
told you so about the full res on the kick mate
Hi Matt,
PWM's depth is controlled from the Modulation-range knob of whatever buss you choose to modulate it from. If it's the Mod.Fix buss, PWM will be permanently on. Of course the LFO controls the rate of PWM, but for all oscillators simultaneously.
To modulate the oscillators with noise, you need to use the external inputs and a buss of your choice. I can try this with the Moog CP-251 to see what happens.
Tomorrow I will upload some sounds and you will all be able to judge if you like it or not.
Edit:
I know you told me about the full resonance for the bass drums! But on the Voyager, I almost always have the resonance not at the maximum setting. For the Challenger it's different. By the way, both filters self-oscillate.
this synth is certainly a great instrument and deserves a lot of respect from my point of view.
however, visually it lacks this certain "je ne sais quoi" for me.
the choice of the knobs, the selected font, the blank silver screw heads in the black front panel somehow make me think that the guy who builds these either has a different perception of esthetics or missed to go the very last mile (or rather the last few inches) to make his creation look "charming", sexy or giving it simply the last touch of seduction imho.
just my personal impression. no complains, no trolling etc.
yea we all know its lacking in the looks department. but you can tell the guy tried. on paper large knobs, wood case, tilting main panel: sounds like a winner.
looks arn't important.
i agree that it seems to be over complex. it's like we all said what we would want on a new synth and that synth became real. it would look like this. as if the designer has given everything. and a bunch of wood too for good measure.
i suspect what went on was: designing it as if it were modules.
if i were designing a modulation matrix i would look to the pro5/pro1 for the design, that is really elegant. in fact on the pro5, the modulation matrix is only really missing a couple of options for me.
i think he could've done without all the destination amount dials. and instead use amount on the source as a double pot. selector + amount in one. or have a smaller switch selectors. same goes for most of the selection knobs. you dont need knobs that big for most of the selection duties: a switch will do.
but hey, me saying oh the knobs are too big is
although it is un-elegant in it's design, you have modulation control like on no other analogue synth. maybe the andy
this synth is certainly a great instrument and deserves a lot of respect from my point of view.
however, visually it lacks this certain "je ne sais quoi" for me.
the choice of the knobs, the selected font, the blank silver screw heads in the black front panel somehow make me think that the guy who builds these either has a different perception of esthetics or missed to go the very last mile (or rather the last few inches) to make his creation look "charming", sexy or giving it simply the last touch of seduction imho.
just my personal impression. no complains, no trolling etc.
You can't argue aesthetics I guess, but you are wrong that he didn't go the extra mile to provide quality stuff. For instance, the keyboard of my Challenger is better than the keyboard of the prototype. Ha-Jo told me at a certain point that he would charge a little more for a new keyboard because he didn't want to put something from China.
Also, the contacts of the Challenger are gold plated so that they don't oxidize. He also changed the knobs - these grey knobs might not win in the aesthetics department but they have a nice rubberized feel. Arguably the knobs in the Voyager feel better but hey you can't have everything. Also the switches in the Challenger are rock-solid and it feels like I can lift the whole instrument from these switches.
I have asked for PWM, Transpose buttons and so on and he provided these (and more) at no extra cost. I had a problem trying to figure out certain things and he called me from Germany giving me step by step instructions. We had a relaxed conversation, he asked me about my music interests, what kind of music I compose and so on.
For a one-man show, I think he did very well.
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this synth is certainly a great instrument and deserves a lot of respect from my point of view.
however, visually it lacks this certain "je ne sais quoi" for me.
the choice of the knobs, the selected font, the blank silver screw heads in the black front panel somehow make me think that the guy who builds these either has a different perception of esthetics or missed to go the very last mile (or rather the last few inches) to make his creation look "charming", sexy or giving it simply the last touch of seduction imho.
just my personal impression. no complains, no trolling etc.
The problem is the all wood build.
Give it a nice charcoal or black plastic shell and it would look more like a contemporary synth.
But i could imagine that that would actually be more expensive than wood.
Anyway - who cares about the looks?
What does the freaking thing sound like?
I'd like filter sweeps, bass sounds (4 osc.? !!!), FX sounds and whatever else could be easily dialed up ... Raw please - no external FX, no layering.
Just bweeeaauuwww, plonk, bonk, whonk, bzzziiieeeaauuueeeiiooo...Swoosh, zappp.
To the naysayers , beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Personally not that it matters one iota , I think it looks fabulous.
Chunky and industrial.
WAY better than the plastic injection moulded crap we normally see.
Exposed screw heads just make me think whomever has designed it has thought more about the insides than the outsides. Again could be WAAAY of base with that assumption but....
Ill add more noise with , yes please , audio demos
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It sounds good in the video..
