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Old 14th January 2011   #61
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I started to like it. The PolyKB. But only my own programmed sounds.
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Just like on any synth don't judge it by the patches... rather by the timbre or general osc sound.... It has a lot character anyway..
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Just like on any synth don't judge it by the patches... rather by the timbre or general osc sound.... It has a lot character anyway..
It's only because I am so selfish

I measured that it has the cleanest sound in terms of aliasing. Then I started to tweak the sound and got good results. Nice synth.
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Thanks to everyone for your support

We have just released Analog Bag 1 & 2, two new soundsets for the PolyKB II





These are generalist soundsets which people who desire expand their sonic palette might find usefull.

Differences are (in short)

Analog Bag 1 has 128 presets and was created by a quartet of very talented Sound Designers : Luftrum, Julian Ray, Kire and Tzadi.

Analog Bag 2 has more than 160 presets and was created by Peter Schelfhout and your truly.

There are numerous audio demos on the Analog Bags page, but I've added something that might be usefull : A list of all the presets used in the audio demos, and the number of appearance of each preset (ie 1rst preset in Pad Demo aso ), as well as the Soundbank where the preset is : Factory, Analog Bag 1 or 2.

All the Sound Designers involved in the creation of the Analog Bags also participated in the making of the Factory Presets. So you can check their different approach of Sound Design as well.

All questions welcomed, as usual

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Thanks to everyone for your support

We have just released Analog Bag 1 & 2, two new soundsets for the PolyKB II





These are generalist soundsets which people who desire expand their sonic palette might find usefull.

Differences are (in short)

Analog Bag 1 has 128 presets and was created by a quartet of very talented Sound Designers : Luftrum, Julian Ray, Kire and Tzadi.

Analog Bag 2 has more than 160 presets and was created by Peter Schelfhout and your truly.

There are numerous audio demos on the Analog Bags page, but I've added something that might be usefull : A list of all the presets used in the audio demos, and the number of appearance of each preset (ie 1rst preset in Pad Demo aso ), as well as the Soundbank where the preset is : Factory, Analog Bag 1 or 2.

All the Sound Designers involved in the creation of the Analog Bags also participated in the making of the Factory Presets. So you can check their different approach of Sound Design as well.

All questions welcomed, as usual

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Great job on the VI, man. Really special.
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Great job on the VI, man. Really special.
Thanks Dr Jezz

And here's the direct link to the Soundbanks page and the audio demos, for those who might be interested

XILS-lab - PolyKB II Sound sets

There you can confirm that there's something definitly missing in the audio demos :

.............> Aliasing

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after playing for a while I think ACE sounds more analog and also fatter.
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IMO ACE sounds incredibly clean. Whereas I find XILS lab stuff just full of grit and life.
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Whereas I find XILS lab stuff just full of grit and life.
Exactly, which is what I consider "analog". Honestly I find it hard to decipher between ACE and a free synth such as Synth1. I really think most people just get caught up with pretty GUI's and features.
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IMO ACE sounds incredibly clean. Whereas I find XILS lab stuff just full of grit and life.
Yes. After having programmed more than 200 presets with Ace ( and even more with PolyKB II ) this is nearly my opinion too :

Different beasts, very different sound/filters/architecture aso.

I like them both for -hopefully- good and valid reasons

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Both synths just eat mu CPU.

And I find that Poly KB behaves quite weird for the beginner.

The Stereo Button a weird thing

Is it actually bug free?

In ace I get sometimes little clicks in the beginning of the sound for no apparent reason (when using Portamento), and not always.

For Bass ACE wins hands down. But ok, PolyKB is really a polysynth.
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I couldn't disagree further. The ACE of bass sounds so clean. I for one like my bass a bit dirty... and I don't mean mid range saw wave dirty.
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Both synths just eat mu CPU.

And I find that Poly KB behaves quite weird for the beginner.

The Stereo Button a weird thing

Is it actually bug free?

In ace I get sometimes little clicks in the beginning of the sound for no apparent reason (when using Portamento), and not always.

For Bass ACE wins hands down. But ok, PolyKB is really a polysynth.
Yes it can be Cpu intensive with big polyphony/big release and unisson, but all the factory patches can be played on an antique PIV 3Ghz single core machine. A few times you have less polyphony on this ref machine though.

Bug free ..... hmmmmm I would not say that but ... here are the fixes for the 2.0.1 update wich was released recently :

* Mac Version Only : Very Rare Logic crash, depending on several parameters combination ( Logic Version, OS Version, aso )
* All Versions : Some rare Phaser issues
* All Versions : Some cosmetic issues like certain mouse over info handling.
* All Versions : Clearer choice for GUI size : Maximum size is now presented as an item in size menu
* Mac Version Only : Following Apple requirements, users presets are now located in user/username/library/preferences. This move is handled automatically.
* All Versions : Arpeggiator : some occasional issues with arpeggio memory related to entered notes schedule

So, of all the bugs, the Logic crash under "certain circumstances" was the one showstopper. It was fixed in one week. The Arpeggio thing could be worked around with freezing. But well was quite annoying. Phaser had an erratic denormal issue but you could manage to do with it.

Then with hundreds of passionate users we did not heard of more bugs. At the moment ..... There are certainly some little ones left here and there though, but its pretty stable/rock solid.

I have seen a lot of betas and first releases now. Ime I'd say that the PolyKB II was in the upper part of the "bugs free" units. It required a lot of work to reach this results though.

The stereo button : First I'd say that if you dont want it, then just switch it off. Its the basis of the very innovative stereo tool. With this tool you can elaborate some really complex AND dynamic stereo scenes. And afaik this has never been seen on any other synth, whether in the vintage niche, or with other synthesis mode on board.

For basses, if you dont switch it off, you'll probably have to understand the basics of this tool. The 1rst one beeing probably that the distance between the virtual mikes and the source should probably be reduced for more impact, which might, or not be required for bass sounds, depending on your needs/taste.

However, together with the unisson, and for modern musical genre where the bass is very proeminent, or sometimes the only instrument, it can be usefull and interesting to build wild large basses, so its really up to what people want in the end result.

Then in the end, though the P-Myx tool is powerfull for polyphonic patches, as you noticed, I usually dont consider that an instrument is good for a category of patches ( say basses, oe leads) or even a given genre (like Tarnce, or House, or Vintage funk) only , I merely think that good instruments are good and versatile enough to fit a lot of needs/genres/category of instruments, while less good instruments are well ..... more or less usefull ( Oooops I said it )

Then, as music rely on diversity, I can perfectly understand that you prefer the overall character of Ace for a certain category of instruments. For some typical bass sounds, I would choose Ace myself.

Like i said they're imho very different. Which I see as a good thing ( If not we would only need one instrument for all -it could be relaxing though- )

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Thanks Dr Jezz

And here's the direct link to the Soundbanks page and the audio demos, for those who might be interested

XILS-lab - PolyKB II Sound sets

There you can confirm that there's something definitly missing in the audio demos :

.............> Aliasing

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It is all about conquering new levels of emulation, and in this context, I think that XILS Labs (and of course also other great softsynth developers) are going towards the right direction.

We know that, at the present, software analogue-ish sounds seem to demand great CPU resources. Who knows, future may prove that more efficient ways of programming (I doubt that, anyway...LOL) or new techniques, will allow the delivery of even higher quality samples.

At the end of the day, what matters the most is the result. Did you produce music or not? In which ways every tool had the aspects to motivate us jumping into the field of immediate synthesis?

Everything else is academic. But also very interesting, damn!
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I'm glad someone agree's with me on ACE regarding it NOT sounding analog. Compare ACE to PolyKB... no contest!
I'm in total agreement here too. I like ACE... but when I hear people talk about how it's "so analog" I'm wondering what the hell they're talking about. Sounds great but I just don't get that vibe off it.

Same with DCAM. So much hype and then... not even close to what ELS is doing as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong, I can get some great sounds and I especially like Amber, but I think it was fairly far away from the analog revolution they said it was going to be. I think they spent too much time sniffing old circuit boards and staring at oscilloscopes and not enough time getting the sound on their software right.

When I first heard the ELS3 I was instantly impressed and I became an early adopter. When PolyKB came out, it was a no-brainer. I'm not even sure I demoed it before I bought it. Great instruments.
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I did a search but could not define.
Is there supposed to be a new xils labs coming out soon?
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I did a search but could not define.
Is there supposed to be a new xils labs coming out soon?
it might be helpful to check out the xils website...
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I did a search but could not define.
Is there supposed to be a new xils labs coming out soon?
We just released Oxium, and there's a thread about it in GS here :

new Xils Lab synth coming soon...

Or the official thread in the new products GS forum.

Or please just visit HOME

Here's an Oxium demo we received this morning made by Boele Gerkes



Lots of sound examples on the Xils site, also Oxium is only serial protected ( No dongle) and the intro price is quite affordable : 69€

Thanks for your interest

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xils and pills gotogether like acid and acid
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When I first heard the ELS3 I was instantly impressed and I became an early adopter.
ELS3 ?
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I thought Poly KB sounded good when I bought it about about a years ago. (Poly KB II Player).
Until I took away the internal effects from the presets.
I de-installed it after that.

No offense though. It sure is a decent softsynth, and I am certain you can make good music with it.
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I thought Poly KB sounded good when I bought it about about a years ago. (Poly KB II Player).
Until I took away the internal effects from the presets.
I de-installed it after that.


i'm always turning off the fx, just to hear how good it sounds on its own. i've bought a ton of VST synths over the past few months (almost too many, including NI Komplete 8). just fired up PolyKB II the other night, and was again blown away by how damn good and 'alive' it sounds compared to most everything else out there. same with Xils3 - i spent a good hour the other night just programming from the default 'Init' patch. i still think Xils has everyone else beat as far as "analog" sound/feel goes.
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are XILS and SIAC better than official Synthi plugin?

I mean , yes i know that those thing made in SynthEdit and costs too much for it..
but i like how osc and filter sound
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I couldn't disagree further. The ACE of bass sounds so clean. I for one like my bass a bit dirty... and I don't mean mid range saw wave dirty.
Try the filter drive knob? Crosstalk? +5v port? You probably should..
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