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21st September 2010
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The best synth keyboard to buy?!?!?

I'm looking at buying a New Keyboard such as these:

V-Synth GT
Motif XF
Tyros 4
etc.. etc..

I'm curious to get all the feedback possible
my main wants are the best sounds and minipulation etc...
and the newest sounds out there to stay up with whats going on out there
in the genre's of hip hop r&b mainly?

Please let me know your best thoughts on what brings the newest sounds, best sounds, and feel free to add in other keyboard names and all else you can think of it would be greatly appreciated!!
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The Tyros 4 would be in your imagination, right?

So, you're starting from scratch and have a lot of money to burn?
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No not from scratch have had 3 others I'm updating just getting others opinions that are experienced and no I wouldn't have suggested it if I didn't have money to buy it and of course always need more money just been saving by passing things for awhile to get the higher end things that can make more of a difference.
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maybe post on the hip-hop forum!
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V-Synth GT
Motif XF
Tyros 4
These are completely different machines and you're comparing apples to oranges to rhinos.

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my main wants are the best sounds
There are no "best sounds".

What sounds like the world's greatest piano to you sounds to someone else as a tinny, lifeless copy of their grand. Each manufacturer has its strengths and weaknesses.

The Tyros 4 and Motif XS are in a sense similar; Yamaha's not going to invent a completely new sound engine. The difference is that the Tyros has lots of built-in styles and rhythms and facilities for that while the Motif will sort of expect you to figure this out yourself. A look at the front panel already tells you this; the sliders on the Tyros are understated, while the Motif has big ones, also usable to act as a controller for your DAW.

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and minipulation etc...
In that case, V-Synth, but I don't know how much good it's going to do you.

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and the newest sounds
Yeah, that's sort of debatable. Usually these machines lag in terms of percussion, so you'll probably have to buy a sample library for that anyway.

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Please let me know your best thoughts on what brings the newest sounds, best sounds, and feel free to add in other keyboard names and all else you can think of it would be greatly appreciated!!
I think the Motif would be of most use; but perhaps you could save yourself some money by getting the previous model.

Don't buy this sight unseen; go to the music store, take your time to check them out. The best sounds are useless if the interface is an abomination to you.

Specify what other gear you have (or had) so we can advise you better. Don't make us guess.
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The Tyros 4 would be in your imagination, right?
Would it?

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Or you could buy Nexus 2..... with all the expansion packs.


Now seriously, for hip hop and R&B, I'd get a workstation like a Motif or Korg M50, but not the most expensive one (e.g., Motif XS instead of XF), an MPC-1000 for beats, and an analog synth like a Moog Little Phatty for bass and leads.
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Moog Voyager XL is the hottest keyboard at the moment.(imho)
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I'm not a hip-hop artist, but...my "imaginary Hip Hop Studio" would have:

- A Studio Electronics SE-1x for bass and leads etc
- An MPC-1000
- Some kinda electric piano or emulator...Nord, Korg, somesuch...
- A pile of vinyl...from all genres...
- A decent mic
- A compressor like a Distressor or Fatso Jr...

...where's all this workstation business coming from? Hunt around and I reckon you could get most of that for the price of a T-rex 9 or whatever they are calling them...
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equipment I have and have used

Also I have tested all but the tyros on the list and I'm aware more of the tyros style as an arranger and the downsides and less open ended and prefer more control i have a Motif xs6 and as far as sample libraries I have to many to list as well as the new Komplete 7 and all it comes with also I prefer my Maschine controller and kontakt for doing percussion. Also the reason I left it wide open is just to get all opinions, Sometimes that one opinion has made a huge difference and there's always room to experiment also I was asking so I could go try the best suggested. I considered the V-synth but seemed not the best option. By the way of course Opinion is just that but if you ask a lot of the top producers they do seem to have a lot of the same equipment and tend to lean towards a certain feel every few years hence why I'm asking what everyone thinks that is and/or guess of what it will be also thanks for the responses so far feedback never hurts. but please leave Smart#ss comments to yourself it doesn't help anyone and if You need to feel better about yourself that much go look in the mirror and give yourself some nice comments!
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This comes with software for all kinds of music. Synth, drums, everything you need including both kinds of keyboard, making it the best keyboard of all the keyboards.
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I don't see any smart a$$ comments, but you didn't specify where you were coming from, so people just assumed you're just starting out. Other than that, most suggestions and comments seem adequate to me.

You don't need the latest machine to make cutting-edge sounds. You have a last generation Motif, which IMO should cover the workstation/rompler part. You have Maschine which should be as good as the MPC. So, given your current gear, what do you feel is lacking?

Me, I would say you could do well with a basic analog monosynth. There are already some suggestions: Little Phatty, SE1X, Moog Voyager XL (this one is probably too much).

Have you already mastered the Motif? Are you already proficient enough with it? If not, I don't see any reason why you should switch to a newer model; much less switch to another workstation (e.g., Tyros, Korg M3, or whatever) since you'll have to learn everything all over again. Learn some basic subtractive synthesis, if you don't know already, so you can adjust the sounds to your taste and needs. Learn how to sample so you can make your own libraries.

Or, what about buying an electric guitar (if you don't have one already). Lots of modern rap and r&b uses guitars, and it will be much more expressive and sound better than any samples.

Just using what everyone else uses doesn't make you cutting-edge or innovative, quite the contrary. Being innovative is about trying new things.
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I'm looking at buying a New Keyboard such as these:

V-Synth GT
Motif XF
Tyros 4
etc.. etc..

I'm curious to get all the feedback possible
my main wants are the best sounds and minipulation etc...
and the newest sounds out there to stay up with whats going on out there
in the genre's of hip hop r&b mainly?

Please let me know your best thoughts on what brings the newest sounds, best sounds, and feel free to add in other keyboard names and all else you can think of it would be greatly appreciated!!
New sounds are made, not found on recent keyboards.

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I would say that if you want to come up with something unique and original to fit YOUR music, then buy a real synth. Out of your list, the V-Synth is the closest to this, though I think you'd probably get more out of an older analog or decent VA. If you want "sounds" pre-packed and ready to go, buy a rompler/workstation/thing like a Motif, then load up on sample CDs.

Another option would be to grab some affordable, but effective pieces like a MicroKorg XL and/or ESX-1, then add a used Motif rack. Spend less money, get a more versatile setup out of the deal, and probably make more interesting music.

Personally, I'd toss the Motif and grab the two Korg's :D
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I was saying to the comment made about that if I bought it wouldn't do matter anyway implying an insult and I'm considering going with minimoog xl that's what I been looking for and of course samples help and the best sounds come from the best designers no machine will just make a #1 just wondering all opinions as I said
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...and I'm considering going with minimoog xl
That's the perfect choice. A $5000 semimodular monosynth for hip hop bass and leads. Bling on!
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minimoog xl that's what I been looking for
Perfect choice. Not overkill at all, especially for hip-hop. Flaunt it if you got it, right?
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Asking "Which is the best synth" around here is just going to pull in many different answers. I'm sure some people swear by workstations just as much as some swear by retro mono synths. What's more exspensive than a cheaper synth doesn't make it any better sometimes. Sometimes a synth can be a real learning curve to edit it's sounds (DX synths from Yamaha), and some are dead easy. (Twist a knob)

Workstation synths will give you bread/butter sounds (Pianos, guitars, pad sounds, drum kits, etc) and a little bit of analogue synth sounds, and most of the time has a built in sequencer that will allow you to create tunes straight away, once you figure out how to do your beats, basslines and melodies. It may or may not sequence other gear through midi, so if you must buy a new model, ask as many questions as you can about it. Not all salesmen know everything(You'd be suprised how many GC salesmen have had minimal training on all the different synths they sell), so if they can't answer your questions directly, you should e-mail the manufacturer from their website.

Analogue or Virtual Analogue(digital emulation of analogue) will do pads, bass sounds, perhaps some drum sounds, but if it has to sound like an acoustic instrument, forget about it! But they more often or not can make sounds no workstation can, but it just depends on what the synth came with as far as filters, waveforms, LFO's, etc. Old analogue synths are monophonic, meaning they do one note at a time. VA's will have more polyphony, but might not give you the same warmth and texture that a mono synth will.

And don't forget, you can always go with software VST synths and effects. Some are free, but some you'll have to pay for. But all you need is a decent USB controller, a decent computer (feed it lots of memory and HD space), and a audio interface and you've got yourself a portable studio that will have more sounds than you'd probably ever use. They should work with whatever DAW you choose (well, except for Reason/Record), and you can even use gear with DAWs if you'd like the best of both worlds.

If you enjoy the sounds, don't get a headache using it's sequencer or changing the sounds, and it's in a budget you can afford, it really wouldn't matter if it's the best synth out there would it? Take anybody's word such and such synth is the best with a grain of salt, because just because some website, magazine, friend or salesmen told you it was the best, you might get it home and find that you wasted your money on their advice. But if you really love it's strengths, and can live with it's weaknesses, then go ahead and buy it.
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i have a Motif xs6 and as far as sample libraries I have to many to list as well as the new Komplete 7 and all it comes with also I prefer my Maschine controller and kontakt for doing percussion.
So if you have an XS, what mindblowing features do you think an XF is going to add?

What do you expect that synthesizer to do for you and your music? In what way do you feel your current gear is letting you down, or isn't convincing enough?
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My first guess is that most people would say Virus TI. If that was in a plugin - wow. Happy days.

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No...

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maybe post on the hip-hop forum!
Not True at all! Synthesizers are used in nearly all genres of music... not just hip-hop!

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These are completely different machines and you're comparing apples to oranges to rhinos.
mmmm rhinos are delicious. just hard to peel cuz they keep tryin to use that damn horn on you.
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This comes with software for all kinds of music. Synth, drums, everything you need including both kinds of keyboard, making it the best keyboard of all the keyboards.
Serious? Haha great gear.
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