Recommendations For SYNTHs Dance/Electro Current POP.

[TychoStar]

Any recommendations on what synths hardware/and or soft.
For the current POP/DANCE Scene .

I dont mind programming my own sounds just want a sytnh perfect for it.


Chris Brown - Yeah 3x


Rihanna - Who's That Chick



Usher- Dj Got Us Fallin





THESE 3 SONGS ARE GOOD EXAMPLES Of what i want.

Just want to know th synths i can used to get my own sounds.

[nefarien]

The synth in DJ Got us falling in love sounds like a Pad Saw to me or something. Sounds like chords or supersaw at least. I don't have ears like these dudes on this forum do, who are masters but I'm trying to figure out what it is myself right now. So far not doing a good job, I need some monitors lol.

[TychoStar]

Originally Posted by nefarien

The synth in DJ Got us falling in love sounds like a Pad Saw to me or something. Sounds like chords or supersaw at least. I don't have ears like these dudes on this forum do, who are masters but I'm trying to figure out what it is myself right now. So far not doing a good job, I need some monitors lol.

Thanks for trying. This definetly the sound in music right now as far as pop goes.


What synths hardware/or soft you recommend so i can create sounds towards the direction of these songs?

[nefarien]

I'm pretty noob man. But I use Sylenth1 the majority of the time because I'm used to it. Synth1 which is free is supposed to be really awesome. I'm going to give try it. I know this is what everyone suggests, but definitely try a decent synth for creating sounds that is cheap or easy to use. Like Synth1. And learn how to design sounds. Theres a thread on here called Pop Sound Sources and Yoozer posts a lot of great recreations.

I'm still a beginner when it comes to learning sound designs myself. But he uses Massive and for me, that thing is a bit more complicated than I want right now. I watched some tutorials of dudes making Wobble basses and I had an idea of what they were doing, but it was just too complicated for me for the moment. Down the line maybe.

But yeah, as far as presets go that sound pop-ish. I don't know. Nexus I heard is good, but I think that's a Rompler? Maybe try Predator, I used that and I heard a lot of famous pop and RnB synths on there.

the chords for DJ Got us Falling in Love, are G G G D D F F F D D. I THINK....I'm not very good at that stuff, but TO MY EARS, it sounds similar to that at least. Then it sounds like it's being automated on it's CUTOFF to slowly drop down.

[Yoozer]

Originally Posted by TychoStar

Chris Brown

All you're hearing is a simple single square wave playing intervals (major and minor thirds, moved up an octave) with a chorus thrown over it, and it's compressed with a fast attack/release (which causes the small "click" at the start of each sound). There's no more "programming" to this than either picking the preset, or using the "init preset" on most subtractive/virtual analog synthesizers. I made the example with Massive - but it's simply not tied to a specific synthesizer. Anything will do if you just follow that recipe.

Rihanna

Exactly the same sound as in Lady Gaga's "Just Dance" which I've already dissected in pop sound sources - there's really not much more to it than that.

Usher

The intro sound is a single saw oscillator. Not even filtered (though later on it is - a bit). The sound in the chorus is indeed a supersaw, but 3 octaves stacked on top of eachother. There are various ways to make this, but you could for instance take any 3-oscillator synth, tune osc 2 one octave higher and osc 3 two octaves higher, and then crank up the unison to 6 or so.

If you do not have a 3-osc synth or what you have doesn't have a supersaw - not a problem. Simply layer multiple synths until you get to the number of oscillators required for the job. I've done this before with Subtractor in Reason (Reason's "Unison" effect sounds like crap). It only has 2 oscillators. Just keep on stacking them and change the tuning for each.

You could put it in a table, like this:

instance    oct   osc 1 cen osc 2 cen
01           0    -5        +5
02          +1    -5        +5
03          +2    -5        +5

04           0    +10       +20
05          +1    +10       +20
06          +2    +10       +20

07           0    -10       -20
08          +1    -10       -20
09          +2    -10       -20

Yes - you'll be running 9 (admittedly simple) plugins at once and tweaking them isn't going to work unless you can assign 1 control to 9 knobs at once (that's why Reason's Combinator is so great) and you have to be careful with the volumes - but it'll sound pretty big.

It's also pretty much the recipe for lots of sounds you hear in Nexus and the Vengeance soundbanks

The solution is not to go buy plugins like a madman. This sound was done in 1997 already with the early VA synths. When you listen to the Vengeance soundset demos, you hear that the sounds return on pretty much any VA (just scroll down here - http://www.vengeance-sound.com/eng/i...indexHOME.html - and check the MP3 demos for the Novation Nova or Waldorf Q). So - it's programming, and of course the rest of the mix that, given enough artificial additives, can make a gnat fart sound like a symphonic orchestra.

[artech909]

I like to use my Access Virus TI, Roland JP-8080 & Nord Modular G2 with these 3 synths i can re-create almost anything for current POP tracks and actually i do it all the time for my clients but i have almost 10 years of experience in synth programming so i think only practice and learning will help you.

[artech909]

And yeah +1 Yoozer all this CURRENT POP synth sounds was created LONG time ago in Euro Commercial music like Techno Trance, Uplifting Trance, Electro House and so on you can find all THESE sounds even in 5-6 years old Commercial Electro House tracks so this is not something NEW at all.

[TychoStar]

Originally Posted by Yoozer

All you're hearing is a simple single square wave playing intervals (major and minor thirds, moved up an octave) with a chorus thrown over it, and it's compressed with a fast attack/release (which causes the small "click" at the start of each sound). There's no more "programming" to this than either picking the preset, or using the "init preset" on most subtractive/virtual analog synthesizers. I made the example with Massive - but it's simply not tied to a specific synthesizer. Anything will do if you just follow that recipe.

Exactly the same sound as in Lady Gaga's "Just Dance" which I've already dissected in pop sound sources - there's really not much more to it than that.

The intro sound is a single saw oscillator. Not even filtered (though later on it is - a bit). The sound in the chorus is indeed a supersaw, but 3 octaves stacked on top of eachother. There are various ways to make this, but you could for instance take any 3-oscillator synth, tune osc 2 one octave higher and osc 3 two octaves higher, and then crank up the unison to 6 or so.

If you do not have a 3-osc synth or what you have doesn't have a supersaw - not a problem. Simply layer multiple synths until you get to the number of oscillators required for the job. I've done this before with Subtractor in Reason (Reason's "Unison" effect sounds like crap). It only has 2 oscillators. Just keep on stacking them and change the tuning for each.

You could put it in a table, like this:

instance    oct   osc 1 cen osc 2 cen
01           0    -5        +5
02          +1    -5        +5
03          +2    -5        +5

04           0    +10       +20
05          +1    +10       +20
06          +2    +10       +20

07           0    -10       -20
08          +1    -10       -20
09          +2    -10       -20

Yes - you'll be running 9 (admittedly simple) plugins at once and tweaking them isn't going to work unless you can assign 1 control to 9 knobs at once (that's why Reason's Combinator is so great) and you have to be careful with the volumes - but it'll sound pretty big.

It's also pretty much the recipe for lots of sounds you hear in Nexus and the Vengeance soundbanks

The solution is not to go buy plugins like a madman. This sound was done in 1997 already with the early VA synths. When you listen to the Vengeance soundset demos, you hear that the sounds return on pretty much any VA (just scroll down here - Vengeance-Music.de >>>...Integrated Future - and check the MP3 demos for the Novation Nova or Waldorf Q). So - it's programming, and of course the rest of the mix that, given enough artificial additives, can make a gnat fart sound like a symphonic orchestra.

Yoozer i just want to say that this help me lots. I am very grateful of it. I ust started expreimenting and was very happy with the results.

[AcoosticZoo]

Thanks for the tip Yoozer!

well give that a go.

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

[djanthonyw]

Originally Posted by artech909

And yeah +1 Yoozer all this CURRENT POP synth sounds was created LONG time ago in Euro Commercial music like Techno Trance, Uplifting Trance, Electro House and so on you can find all THESE sounds even in 5-6 years old Commercial Electro House tracks so this is not something NEW at all.

+1000

All of this crap is nothing new. The same sheeple that say they don't like what they call "Techno" are now requesting all of this rehashed Euro crap from years ago because now they see that pop music is now dance. I know a few people that are into producing "hip hop" and now they're asking me what they recommend for "Dave Guetta" sounds...

[mattg082]

wow this makes sense. I usually layer my synths and play around with changing the octaves and sounds a bit but only really ever did 3 or 4 at a time layering the same line. I was wondering why all the vengance stuff sounds so big right away and i've been favoring them for some of my leads and bass synths. A lot of these soft synths sound good but i've always been after the BIG sound with tons of texture. never though of using 9 of them in that way because thought it might be over kill. most replies I'd get back when asking was analog synths,pre amps,tape and compression which is typical gearslutz talk. thanks though! I'm thinking of trying it on sylenth 1 since it has multiple osc and it would only take a few instances.