New possible Macbeth minisynth???

[empirix]

Originally Posted by Spectral Climax

I generally agree about the prices of some analogue synths and of course about the price of the desktop unit, but i have some points:

1. Macbeth synths are boutique products. AFAIK he doesn't have a factory, so the prices might be directly related to the amounts of parts he orders, blah blah blah...(I don't know many details, but generally, boutique stuff is priced higher) He also uses special "vintage" types of parts which might be very expensive for such a small company.

2. It might be a module, but it's a full synth with direct access to every function... Actually, it has all the functions of a classic Minimoog, plus some extras! The only thing that is missing, is a keyboard.

After these points, i have to say that i will be disappointed if the final price of the desktop unit goes over 1100 euros. (edit: £995.00GBP for the module is actually 1193 euros...so i'm already disappointed)

I also wonder if this "small" synth sounds equally good like the usual huge Macbeth modules. If not, then i couldn't justify the price.

wow so we could be looking at circa 1400, hopefully not more, i can pick up a voyager rme for about 100 more and tthat lights up elctric blue

[SWAN808]

yeah its gonna be at least another couple of hundred £ for case, PSU, MIDI and LFO...I think its off the menu for me to be replaced by an SEM...

[Spectral Climax]

Originally Posted by empirix

wow so we could be looking at circa 1400, hopefully not more, i can pick up a voyager rme for about 100 more and tthat lights up elctric blue

Yes, i could be very happy if i could find an RME for 1500 euros and I could forget the delicious Micromac too...but the lowest price for an RME in Europe, seems to be around 1800-2000 euros...

[murphythecat87]

Originally Posted by Spectral Climax

After these points, i have to say that i will be disappointed if the final price of the desktop unit goes over 1100 euros. (edit: £995.00GBP for the module is actually 1193 euros...so i'm already disappointed)

Whoa, I didnt knew that...

And for 1500 euro, you can have a minimoog? I'll take a minimoog then.

[empirix]

Originally Posted by Spectral Climax

Yes, i could be very happy if i could find an RME for 1500 euros and I could forget the delicious Micromac too...but the lowest price for an RME in Europe, seems to be around 1800-2000 euros...

hold on lets not dismiss this here, it was just an opinion, its obviously going to be a quality product, i was just speculating on the price and for myself, i will be holding off on putting my name on the waiting list until more details and audio samples for that matter are put forward! Lets face it moog are great but their prices are crazy to say the least so im by no means supporting them, especially after the amazing new xl with the even more astounding price of 5k us dollars, madness, beautiful synth and all but...... Lets see what happens here yeah!

[Spectral Climax]

Originally Posted by empirix

hold on lets not dismiss this here, it was just an opinion, its obviously going to be a quality product, i was just speculating on the price and for myself, i will be holding off on putting my name on the waiting list until more details and audio samples for that matter are put forward! Lets face it moog are great but their prices are crazy to say the least so im by no means supporting them, especially after the amazing new xl with the even more astounding price of 5k us dollars, madness, beautiful synth and all but...... Lets see what happens here yeah!

Yes, i'm not saying that it won't be a quality product...my comment was mostly about the Voyager RME prices in Europe..

If Macbeth's info is right, a desktop version of Micromac won't going to be cheaper than 1300-1400 euros though...

[SWAN808]

from listening to Macbeth demos and playing the new moogs it seems pretty clear that the Macbeth synths have the real 70s tone (as intended) whereas the new moog - well...

I dont think youd have a chance in hell of scoring a Minimoog for €1500 - more like €3000

[projectwoofer]

Originally Posted by Spectral Climax

Yes, i'm not saying that it won't be a quality product...my comment was mostly about the Voyager RME prices in Europe..

If Macbeth's info is right, a desktop version of Micromac won't going to be cheaper than 1300-1400 euros though...

Damn...too expensive for me...

[murphythecat87]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

from listening to Macbeth demos and playing the new moogs it seems pretty clear that the Macbeth synths have the real 70s tone (as intended) whereas the new moog - well...

I dont think youd have a chance in hell of scoring a Minimoog for €1500 - more like €3000

everymonth, their is a minimoog between 2200$ and 2800$ here on gearslutz.
The last one on ebay went for 2300$...
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-MOOG-Mini...item3a5e32586b

I think that for 500$ more, I'll go with the real one.

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by murphythecat87

everymonth, their is a minimoog between 2200$ and 2800$ here on gearslutz.
The last one on ebay went for 2300$...
Vintage MOOG Minimoog synth synthesizer on eBay.ca (item 250688460907 end time 06-Sep-10 04:40:05 EDT)

I think that for 500$ more, I'll go with the real one.

wow thats a bit cheaper than I thought they were...

[SWAN808]

Be excited, be be excited

[Zombie H]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

Be excited, be be excited

where is that from?

[Brian!]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

Be excited, be be excited

!!!

[Zombie H]

is that 3 OSCILLATORS I see at the top left column still?

[cpie]

yes - 3 oscillators
he was asking whether people preferred black or white on facebook

[Brian!]

They both look awesome but I think I prefer the white...

[Yoozer]

I prefer something that's going to be shipped in the next 3 months. The last thing I'd worry about would be the color.

[Zombie H]

he should really do an M5N odyssey

we could call it the M5 Nodyssey

[sizzlemeister]

Originally Posted by Yoozer

I prefer something that's going to be shipped in the next 3 months. The last thing I'd worry about would be the color.

Especially with MacBeth. That dude is almost Waldorf-like. Almost.

[boon]

Originally Posted by sizzlemeister

Especially with MacBeth. That dude is almost Waldorf-like. Almost.

what does that mean?

Macbeth makes killer synths. he's one guy doing it all. he'll deliver in time and it'll be killer.

[GeorgeHayduke]

The prototype looked WAY cooler though, a bit steam-punkish:



I think the new design looks rather cheap :(
To me, white faceplates on aluminum slabs are for Apple computers, or virus synths or behringer mixers. A phat old scool analog synth shouldn't look cold, it should have visual character.

Does the new one have patch point on the rear, any photos of i/o?

[Yoozer]

Originally Posted by boon

what does that mean?

When I was still on the Waldorf mailing list, the most dreaded term you'd hear was "soon". Often spelled as "S.O.O.N." for emphasis.

The new design has more knobs. I hope (but don't expect) that the originally quoted price point can still be met. Basically you're getting a little bit more limited self-contained version of what's now in Eurorack format.

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by Yoozer

When I was still on the Waldorf mailing list, the most dreaded term you'd hear was "soon". Often spelled as "S.O.O.N." for emphasis.

The new design has more knobs. I hope (but don't expect) that the originally quoted price point can still be met. Basically you're getting a little bit more limited self-contained version of what's now in Eurorack format.

which is perfect for me as I dont have the room or the patience for a Eurorack

[RobJB06]

Looks great!
The original price of £995 for the euro version (without case /midi etc) would likely be without VAT included, so dont forget to add that.
But this new design also looks like it gained several features, the envelopes are now full ADSR, there's an LFO, variable pulse width pots for osc 1+2, more impressive looking case, kenton midi, internal psu etc.etc.. (32 knobs now/ 18 before)
I'd think the standalone would be more like £2000 w/o VAT.
The Euro dual vco and back end filter are £895 each w/o VAT, this Minimac has almost all the features of those modules as well as the additional LFO, full ADSR, midi, case, i dont think its realistic to think it will cost less than those two modules combined, maybe im wrong though!

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by RobJB06

Looks great!
The original price of £995 for the euro version (without case /midi etc) would likely be without VAT included, so dont forget to add that.
But this new design also looks like it gained several features, the envelopes are now full ADSR, there's an LFO, variable pulse width pots for osc 1+2, more impressive looking case, kenton midi, internal psu etc.etc.. (32 knobs now/ 18 before)
I'd think the standalone would be more like £2000 w/o VAT.
The Euro dual vco and back end filter are £895 each w/o VAT, this Minimac has almost all the features of those modules as well as the additional LFO, full ADSR, midi, case, i dont think its realistic to think it will cost less than those two modules combined, maybe im wrong though!

but on the facebook thread of the desktop one - Im think he stated around 1k he was shooting for? Doubt he be misleading enough to be referring to the Euro in that context - but could be wrong....£1K +VAT - I could take that...but 2k - no I dont think so.

I think because this is manufactured on 1 PCB and less IO and features it will not be the same cost to produce as the Euro stuff...The Euro stuff is also pricey because its also made by aerospace engineer firm. Its high end. (I think).

Here's hoping...

[Lovebot]

Really hope this comes out before the end of the year... If it's under or around two grand I'll bite. His Facebook has a new post of a 5u single voice module/desktop design... So who knows where this is going or when it will materialize.

[ken Macbeth]

Hi Guys- have a look at this picture- this is the front panel artwork of something 'micromac-ish' that I'm working on. Forget the name Vortex- that's just me playing with graphics...! Anyway- over the course of tommorow I hope to test the PCB and the vital functions. As you know- I have been trying various ideas out here- and this latest one encompasses the type of synth that I've been playing regarding Mk1 modules. I've basically put togetther here- the most useful elements for a full scale synth at the all important affordable price. It's well tricky combining all these elements together without a loss of quality of sound..........which as we know is the important bit! I'm hoping that when I test this- everything will sound perfect. Much has to do with the positioning of circuits- and to be frank, my first attempts at this proved that squeezing all the funtions of the original idea- proved problematic. and infact a 3U 42HP panel sized synth of the original idea is probably out. This design allows the 'spread of the circuits to hopefully function perfectly.

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by ken Macbeth

Hi Guys- have a look at this picture- this is the front panel artwork of something 'micromac-ish' that I'm working on. Forget the name Vortex- that's just me playing with graphics...! Anyway- over the course of tommorow I hope to test the PCB and the vital functions. As you know- I have been trying various ideas out here- and this latest one encompasses the type of synth that I've been playing regarding Mk1 modules. I've basically put togetther here- the most useful elements for a full scale synth at the all important affordable price. It's well tricky combining all these elements together without a loss of quality of sound..........which as we know is the important bit! I'm hoping that when I test this- everything will sound perfect. Much has to do with the positioning of circuits- and to be frank, my first attempts at this proved that squeezing all the funtions of the original idea- proved problematic. and infact a 3U 42HP panel sized synth of the original idea is probably out. This design allows the 'spread of the circuits to hopefully function perfectly.

looks great ken - are the white marks at the bottom modular connections or knobs? Do you have a ballpark for the price? Interesting how cramming affects the sound...

[ken Macbeth]

Het Swann- indeed- the bottom circles are where the quarter inch jacks are going to go!
Yes- regarding spacing/cramming- it's vital to be careful how the parts get laid out with respect to each other. I can understand Deiter using just 1 VCO on the DE because when two osc or more come into each others 'area' thats when the problems can start. On the X-Series Dual osc that I doo- there is the right amount of space between them. This project, as you can imagine, is somewhat more complicated due to the amount of circuit interaction. But we will see- either tommorow or the next day will tell all- whether the unit hits production.............or worse!!

[Lovebot]

The specs look great...I would think that size is on the lower end of the important list (first comes sound, price, and availability). Is it unrealistic to hope that production will begin before 2012 if all goes well with you tests? Really exciting! Use all the space you need to get that great sound!