Why a chance missed? When i had the PEK i used the digital delay to create chorus effect. You simply modulate the delay's rate with an lfo, and there you have it. Modulating the tuned feedback gave me flanger.
If you know how to program the synth - it's all there under the hood. But only on the evolver line, that is.
Zahush,
What delay settings have you made to get a chorus effect? I have heard this is possible on all Evolvers. Been trying with my MEK but no results. Having a tough time with the delay in general.
I have figured out how to modulate the delay and get the 2112 intro effect. A sound I have been searching for a long time and not possible with any other gear I have ever owned.
Zahush,
What delay settings have you made to get a chorus effect? I have heard this is possible on all Evolvers. Been trying with my MEK but no results. Having a tough time with the delay in general.
I have figured out how to modulate the delay and get the 2112 intro effect. A sound I have been searching for a long time and not possible with any other gear I have ever owned.
Basically, you set the initial delay rate to a low value of about 60 - 70. That would give you a rather fast delay that is almost un-noticable.
Next you set one of the lfo's destinations to that delay's rate. After that try to experiment with the LFO's rate and modulation depth to get various flavours of chorus.
If i remember correct, it's explained in detail in the ultimate guide to evolver, on the chapter about the delay.
Basically, you set the initial delay rate to a low value of about 60 - 70. That would give you a rather fast delay that is almost un-noticable.
Next you set one of the lfo's destinations to that delay's rate. After that try to experiment with the LFO's rate and modulation depth to get various flavours of chorus.
If i remember correct, it's explained in detail in the ultimate guide to evolver, on the chapter about the delay.
Thanks. Really appreciate it.
I will try in my nightly (seemingly) midnight Evolver session tonite.
[QUOTE=Pym;5761815]As the digital processors we use become more powerful we can take other steps to soften up the sound, tighten up the envelopes and smooth out the response to the control voltages. There's still a lot of places for improvement that we haven't focused on yet.
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Pym, are these still viable goals for the next analog flagship?
An interesting product that DSI said they'd never do :-)
I'll pass on this one mainly because my MoKeys Tetr4 combo cost less than the retail price of the X4. Other than that it's a good starter Poly for anyone fed up with the way vintage poly prices are going, especially the Juno 106, JX line and the Polysix.
Other than that it's a good starter Poly for anyone fed up with the way vintage poly prices are going, especially the Juno 106, JX line and the Polysix.
Imagine if they had a juicy chorus unit on that X4....
Imagine if they had a juicy chorus unit on that X4....
Simple remedy. A Boss CE-2 (which I lost and can't find anywhere) would do nicely as would my MXR-Stereo analog yellow box, which does wonders for the MEK or anything else you hook it up to. GREAT pedal with plenty of headroom and dirt cheap. Highly recommended.
For someone that has yet to own a poly analogue synth I think this is great. I am in the market for one and have been eyeballing the Prophet 08. But this seems like a great starting point to add on too later on. I would love to have the Mopho Key and Tetra combo but the keybed is too short. This has the perfect size keybed for me. I am just disappointed it doesn't come in yellow. Can't wait to see some reviews online testing it out. Thanks Dave!
For someone that has yet to own a poly analogue synth I think this is great.
+100
my bandmate is looking for a small, beginners analog synth with kbd. this seems ideal. fed to her Space Echo unit, and perhaps a dim c or something , its gonna be nice.
otoh, if youre already into polyanalogs and analogs,,, this isn't terribly exciting news. tho i can't say im dissapointed Dave re-hashed existing technology again), because i didnt expect him to do anything else but use the same voice-on-a-chip he has access to in huge quantities on the cheap. using any other technology in his synths, no matter how cheap, would lower the profits.
as someone mentioned, would be nice if this was another step to get some xtra revenues bfr embarging on a really new design polysynth, w different hw, but i doubt it.
PS a question for DSI users:
how do you deal with lack of direct program select buttons? my bandmate wants to use (something like) X4 in a live setting, and on-the-fly program changes are insanely important.
thanks
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I have been in limbo with DSI for a while.
I have owned a MoPho Key and A tetra and sold both for various reasons.
I own a Tempest and it is my favorite piece of gear! But, it's not ideal for live situations when playing keys.
The Prophet 08 is great but no Sub OSC I loved how that beefed up my sounds on the Tetra.
The MoPho key was amazing! But, no poly (which I need) and the Arp doesn't latch properly (looks like they are fixing that now)
MoPho + Tetra are cool together but playing live and midiing(tm) them and setting the levels just didn't appeal to me in a live situation.
Tetra sounded amazing but a real B*** to program!
Then this guy comes along. It's the best of all the DSI options IMO. Perfect size for gigs in NYC, Latching Arp, 4 voices, plenty of knob control! This is the perfect synth for someone like me. Plus there is just enough space for a minitaur if I decide to add a different flavor to my live rig
I really hope they add splitting and layering but I can live without it. Some more knobs would have also been nice, if only to control the sequencer. I also like the yellow color of the MoPho keys but that doesn't affect my declension at all.
Can't wait to sell my little Phatty and grab one of these!
Can't wait to sell my little Phatty and grab one of these!
Man, why ditch the Phatty? I love my Little Phatty (and I also have a Tempest). Hopefully placing my order for an X4 this week, I'm on the list and they are due in Thursday. I just think the Phatty has a nice sound and the interface is really friendly.
The Phatty is cool but to be honest I'm not really in love with the sounds I get out of it compared to the Tempest.
That being said I think I will replace the Phatty with the Minitaur so I can still get those rumbling MOOG bass tones that I'm in love with. Plus being able to run the MoPho 4X through that filter could give some promising results.
Plus I can't really justify having two full synths with the limited space in my apt. and when I had a slim phatty the tuning issues were insane.
how do you deal with lack of direct program select buttons? my bandmate wants to use (something like) X4 in a live setting, and on-the-fly program changes are insanely important.
thanks
Just use a MIDI pedal capable of sending PC messages like the Behringer FCB1010.
i don't appear to be? your target audience, not one patch was interesting to me..i must be stuck in the 80's...are these demo's for dustep creators?
Really? You didn't like the crazy low end in some of those? The resonance? The ripping analog edge? The almost chorusy way the oscs sounded played together on some? (Also, what sounded like dubstep in there? I didn't hear any wubs or arghs). Don't listen to the patch, listen to the character and think what can be done with it.
But we are all familiar with its basic sound since it's basically the signal path of a Tetra or a Mopho, right? Is anyone seriously waiting any x4 demos to decide whether he likes the sound or not??
i don't appear to be? your target audience, not one patch was interesting to me..i must be stuck in the 80's...are these demo's for dustep creators?
These demo's are for people making modern dance music of all styles) Great to see DSI is catering for us and not just the retro heads. After hearing this I might actually get one (although I'm already going to order a Prophet 08).
Funny, on the prior video Dave did on the comments I and others asked for more conventional synth sounds. Namely pads. There were some pad-ish sounds in this vid, but how about a dark lower octave evolving pad? Maybe a Berlin style sequence? I bet this synth is good at both.
I guess I am in the minority.
I love very much what I am hearing, exactly the type of sounds I need from such a synth for live jams.
What I want to see now, is a video that is dealing explicitly with the arp and it's functions in detail, because I need an arp a lot when jamming live.
I wish DSI the best with this synth but it's not for me. I love the form factor and the options, but I really hope they look into new filter designs for future products - this one is too harsh in the lows for my liking. Very noticeable when sweeeping. Subjective of course.
FWIW I own a Tempest and the filter works very well for drum synthesis. For synths sounds it needs an external chorus to smooth out the top-end sizzle. Even so, it's difficult to get, for example, synth strings that are not tending towards 'brassy' as the filter opens.
Just an opinion. Looking forward to see what the come up with next.
I wish DSI the best with this synth but it's not for me. I love the form factor and the options, but I really hope they look into new filter designs for future products - this one is too harsh in the lows for my liking. Very noticeable when sweeeping. Subjective of course.
FWIW I own a Tempest and the filter works very well for drum synthesis. For synths sounds it needs an external chorus to smooth out the top-end sizzle. Even so, it's difficult to get, for example, synth strings that are not tending towards 'brassy' as the filter opens.
Just an opinion. Looking forward to see what the come up with next.
Just curious. How would you compare the Curtis filter with the MS20 filter or even the Steiner-Parker in the MiniBrute? To me the MS20 is the harshest and screams the loudest to my ears.
Nice to see Dave releasing new products almost every year, although the world seems to be strugling in financial problems. I have a Prophet 08 PE, and love it very much. Next, I would like to see a new version of the Evolver keyboard, may it be either mono or poly.
Just curious. How would you compare the Curtis filter with the MS20 filter or even the Steiner-Parker in the MiniBrute? To me the MS20 is the harshest and screams the loudest to my ears.
DSI synths sound a lot like the Korg MS stuff to me: same range of interestingness in the low-mids, which dips into not-so-interested in the lower lows.
They do sound different; I hear a tighter buzziness in the DSI tone for instance; but they do have a passing resemblance... I used the MS-10 more than 20 which had a slightly different tone.
Back on topic, I dunno about the MiniBrute; haven't seen/played it, only heard on youtube.
Just curious. How would you compare the Curtis filter with the MS20 filter or even the Steiner-Parker in the MiniBrute? To me the MS20 is the harshest and screams the loudest to my ears.
I haven't used either of those, so no point of reference except my ears / personal taste. But as an example, the different shruthi filters, based on different classic designs, all sound a lot more 'juicy' and musical to my ears. Compared to these the DSI filter seems quite metallic. Again, subjective.
Though I remember Pym talking somewhere about the current DSI filter and how it receives mixed opinions - but mostly positive from their customers.
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DSI synths sound a lot like the Korg MS stuff to me: same range of interestingness in the low-mids, which dips into not-so-interested in the lower lows.
They do sound different; I hear a tighter buzziness in the DSI tone for instance; but they do have a passing resemblance... I used the MS-10 more than 20 which had a slightly different tone.
Back on topic, I dunno about the MiniBrute; haven't seen/played it, only heard on youtube.
Interesting robwood,
The sales guy who sold it to me said similar and also said it reminded him of Oberheim.
I like DSI's uniquness. NO other synth can do what it does. Especially the Evolver.
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) would do nicely as would my MXR-Stereo analog yellow box, which does wonders for the MEK or anything else you hook it up to.
