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Is the really quiet white noise that comes out of the waveguide/delay a feature or a bug?

Being able to easily patch velocity and aftertouch into so many different parameters is one of my favorite features. It allows you to make some super expressive sounds. I just wish there were more patching options! Envelope 2 is so lonely. Range and especially Steps in the sequencer could use some love too.

Having to redo all the patch cables if you undo one is the only thing that actually bugs me with aalto. I still can't get mod working, but I haven't spent that much time on it.
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Is the really quiet white noise that comes out of the waveguide/delay a feature or a bug?

Being able to easily patch velocity and aftertouch into so many different parameters is one of my favorite features. It allows you to make some super expressive sounds. I just wish there were more patching options! Envelope 2 is so lonely. Range and especially Steps in the sequencer could use some love too.

Having to redo all the patch cables if you undo one is the only thing that actually bugs me with aalto. I still can't get mod working, but I haven't spent that much time on it.
Quiet like -90dB? That's a feature. A little noise goes into the delay to prime it for self-oscillation.

Glad you like the easy patching which was so central to the design. I'll add some more options down the road. The thing about ENV2 is that it's more expensive to calculate an envelope if the coefficients are changing every sample. So this was for efficiency. But if I make some other gains there I could add more patching.

I'm aware the multiple cables thing is a pain and am looking to address that soon.
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Quiet like -90dB? That's a feature. A little noise goes into the delay to prime it for self-oscillation.
Just FYI, I turned this noise source down to around -120dB in the next version. There are some qualities of analog synths I'm trying to emulate, but noisiness is not one of them. You can always add some if you want.
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Haha, I didn't mind the noise. I thought it was interesting and maybe it was part of the secret of why Aalto sounds so good.

It's still by far my favorite soft synth. There are other synths that sound okay, but thanks to the interface it's the only one I really enjoy using. The more I use it the more I feel I can treat it like a real instrument you actually play. I feel it's more performance oriented than most other soft synths and even a few hardware synths.

I really like having those basic building block presets. I was messing about with the two sequencer examples in the techniques preset folder today and got some nice one finger kraftwerkesque melodies.

Because I do a lot of live patching I've found I have to make presets differently with Aalto. Once I find a sound I feel I can use I make a preset of that, start recording the audio and have fun patching and turning knobs while playing my keyboard. I'm getting pretty good at having one hand playing and one hand using the trackpad. The low polyphony is actually an advantage. Saving a preset of the end sound doesn't usually make sense because I often stop when I have horrible noise and can't fix it :p.

I wonder if there is a way to record the actual patching in a daw? I've tried making a bunch of small incremental presets as I tweak, but it doesn't really capture the performance. I should see if I could write an apple script that automatically copies the settings and pastes them into a document every X number of minutes. That would let me re-trace my steps somewhat, but unfortunately it stil wouldn't really capture what I was doing. It's an interesting and unique problem to have. With most other synths I've used I'll get a sound I like and maybe tweak a few paramaters as I'm playing, draw a bit of automation afterwards for various settings and that's it. It's a new way of working for me and I'm pretty excited about it!

You know, the waveform oscillator selector would look really good as a full circle and you could fit three more oscillator types too! Sorry, the only reason I'm greedy for more features is because I enjoy using it so much!

Do you have any plans for more music software using a similar UI paradigm? It's so nice. A multi-effects processor that used the reverb, delay and some other effects(pitch shifter!!) would be pretty neat.

Anyway, I hope Aalto is selling well for you, it's really terrific!
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Hey thanks for the feedback! I always like to hear how people are approaching it.

I thought a bit about how to automate the patching. It doesn't seem to fit into the structure of changing parameters that DAWs offer. Unless I were to have one parameter for each of the hundreds of possible out->in connections, aargh. Now, if I were to implement undo / redo, I could mark the changes on an internal timeline, and automate movement along that timeline. But there are a lot of concepts and UI that would need to be developed for this. Something to think on.

The oscillator sounds good partly because it's not using wavetables. It's waveshaping a sine wave core to get the antialiased square and saw outputs. So I can't just throw another wave in there. Think of the timbre and FM controls as giving you a huge space of different waveshapes instead of just a few selections. Because they do!

One example: with FM and the modulator frequency equal to the carrier you can turn a sine into a kind of pinched sine. feeding that into the square waveshaper, you can make classic PWM. Like this:

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<Aalto pluginVersion="65829" presetName="PWM" scaleName="12-equal" scaleDir="" key_voices="2" key_glide="0" seq_loop="0" seq_rate="0.0268554688" seq_steps="0" seq_range="6" lfo_freq="0.25" lfo_level="0.370000005" env1_decay="0.00999999978" env1_sustain="1" env1_release="0.00999999978" env2_repeat="0" osc_index="0.859999955" osc_pitch="110" osc_waveshape="-0.899999976" osc_index_p="1.74999976" gate_decay="0" patcher_input_1="000000000000100000000000000" patcher_input_9="000000000000100000000000000" patcher_input_10="000000000010000000000000000" patcher_input_11="000000000000000100000000000"/>
Now, moving the waveshaper to the sawtooth side gives you a PWM-like sound, but with all harmonics instead of just odd ones. That's just one of the many goodies to be found...

Definitely more patchable products to come! Beyond that I don't want to comment on unreleased yadda yadda, and besides, I might get strung up in the streets for working on anything besides the Windows version right now.
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Happy Holidays! Some smart person, probably on this forum, suggested putting out the reverb from Aalto as a separate plugin. So I did.

Aaltoverb is a free Audio Unit plugin for Mac 10.5 and higher. Enjoy!
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Yey......

I have to say you made a really wise choice releasing this reverb... once people will hear it they will have to at least try Aalto.

But now you give us winVST users more reasons to wait.. oh well... good things come to those who wait etc....

Look Randy.... I really like you man..I really do. I am on your side for releasing this one mature for windows... buuut... you can't just go online to tease and show people what a great thing you've made and how wonderfully changes perspective about softies, makes a paradigm shift in what to expect from digital plugins and then keep it unavailable for win users too long...tutt

Seriously now I need your plugin in my life!!!

And keep up doing these things.... I'll wait vigilantly for the release of Aalto + Soundplane...
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Happy Holidays! Some smart person, probably on this forum, suggested putting out the reverb from Aalto as a separate plugin. So I did.

Aaltoverb is a free Audio Unit plugin for Mac 10.5 and higher. Enjoy!
Holy awesomeness!! I was just going to email you asking for this very thing. It's not my favorite part of Aalto, but it's a major component of why it sounds so great and unique.

Thanks, Randy!!
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That's great! thank you and a successful 2011 to you too!
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And, a day later... Aaltoverb 1.1.1 is out!

During my morning-after listening I found I had changed the sound when adding the brightness control, taking away some of the magic. So now the brightness is not as useful, but the nice spatial quality of the original Aalto reverb is back.
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Same link?
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Yes, same link, just drag again and copy over the older component.
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Seriously now I need your plugin in my life!!!
Win user here too! I'm excited about the WinVST version
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Happy Holidays! Some smart person, probably on this forum, suggested putting out the reverb from Aalto as a separate plugin. So I did.

Aaltoverb is a free Audio Unit plugin for Mac 10.5 and higher. Enjoy!
Thanks! thumbsup thumbsup
Works good in Logic. But enabling it in my audio editors does cause them to both quit for some reason.. Sound Studio V3, and Twisted Wave 1.9
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Works good in Logic. But enabling it in my audio editors does cause them to both quit for some reason.. Sound Studio V3, and Twisted Wave 1.9
Thanks for the info, I'll check into it.
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Works good in Logic. But enabling it in my audio editors does cause them to both quit for some reason.. Sound Studio V3, and Twisted Wave 1.9
Fixed this for the next release!
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Win user here too! I'm excited about the WinVST version
Has this been confirmed as being developed?
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Has this been confirmed as being developed?
Yes, I'm working on it.
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Thanks for Aaltoverb! Dry + wet levels are great.

Aalto with extra verb is fun and it's adding some new life to Logic's built-in instruments for me. I'm really liking it with electric piano.
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Nope. Here's my rough schedule:

1.1: mid Oct, performance improvements, parameter automation fixes, host sync, alternate tunings, more documentation, sundry bugs

1.2: mid Nov, more performance improvements, UI improvements, installer, patch management

1.3: mid Dec, Mac and Win VST

So...?
The kids wanna play!
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Hi, I'm working on it.
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Code:
<Aalto pluginVersion="65829" presetName="chocolate rain" scaleName="12-equal" scaleDir="" key_voices="3" key_mod="1" key_glide="0" seq_rate="0.0528554693" seq_rate_p="0.819999874" seq_range="7" seq_value_delay="2" seq_value="0.669642925" seq_value:1="0.241071463" seq_value:2="0.00892853737" seq_value:3="0.669642925" seq_value:4="0.00892853737" seq_value:5="0.866071463" seq_value:6="0.366071463" seq_value:7="0.00892853737" seq_value:8="0.651785731" seq_value:9="0.00892853737" seq_value:10="0.258928597" seq_value:11="0.00892853737" seq_value:12="0.919642925" seq_value:13="0.0803571939" seq_value:14="0.776785731" seq_value:15="0.00892853737" lfo_freq="0.0700000003" lfo_noise="0.589999974" lfo_level="1" env2_repeat="0.529687524" env2_trig_select="2" env2_repeat_p="2.73999977" osc_noise="1" osc_ratio="0.0270000007" osc_pitch="3520" osc_waveshape="3.7252903e-09" osc_ratio_p="1.62999988" osc_carrier_out="0" osc_mod_out="0.939999998" gate_decay="0.399999976" delay_input="1" delay_drive="0" delay_feedback="0.560000002" delay_freq="3.49937487" delay_freq_p="-0.460000068" delay_output_wet="1.87" delay_output_dry="0" filter_cutoff="110" filter_q="0.909999967" filter_mix="-0.0300000217" filter_cutoff_p="4" filter_q_p="1" output_reverb="0.269999981" output_pan="-0.290000021" output_reverb_p="1" output_pan_p="1" patcher_input_3="100000000000000000000100000" patcher_input_5="100000101000000000000000000" patcher_input_8="000000101000000000000000000" patcher_input_9="000000000000000000000010101" patcher_input_12="000000000000000100000000000"/>
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That "Chocolate Rain" patch is all kinds of awesome, Randy!
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Windows version is coming along. I'm doing some other things at the same time for my sanity like working on the UI and even making a sound or two.
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This is the best synth I ever heard.
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Thanks for the superlatives! Still working on the Windows version here. Meanwhile a German magazine asked for some sound demos, so I have some more for show and tell.

Interested gearslutz should download wav files, obviously. A single sawtooth wave is one of the things MP3 is worst at. It doesn't sound like any kind of good, even at 320.

Pads and textures:
http://soundcloud.com/randy-jones/aaltodemopadsandtextures

Percussion:
http://soundcloud.com/randy-jones/aalto-demo-percussion

Noise and terror (by Surachai):
http://soundcloud.com/randy-jones/aalto-demo-noise-and-terror
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Interested gearslutz should download wav files, obviously. A single sawtooth wave is one of the things MP3 is worst at. It doesn't sound like any kind of good, even at 320.
mmm? you can upload a wav.
meanwhile, there's the soundcloud option. or you can link to something on your own server.
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No pressure, but I'm sure you'll get a lot of costumers when the windows version is released thumbsup

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mmm? you can upload a wav.
meanwhile, there's the soundcloud option. or you can link to something on your own server.
lovely sounds...
Sorry if I wasn't clear-- the soundcloud examples right here are WAVs-- I was pointing out you can download by clicking the little arrow at right.
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Is there any issues with compatibility in logic 9 ? I'd eventually like to pick this up when the bumps get ironed out.
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