Reason 5 & Record 1.5

[DND-NS]

25th August is a release date for new Reason and Record.
I'm very excited.

R + R combo is becoming so good, that one doesn't need anything else anymore.

Some bonehead said I should get rid of these apps and THAT's The Most stupid thing to say.

[mike vee]

i would

[DND-NS]

Originally Posted by mike vee

i would

because?

[volumetrik]

yeah I'm looking forward to it should be killer

I just hope they fixed the rack size..on a large display its so tiny

[DND-NS]

Originally Posted by volumetrik

yeah I'm looking forward to it should be killer

I just hope they fixed the rack size..on a large display its so tiny

If you have a big monitor like i do you can have two racks side by side.

[volumetrik]

Originally Posted by DND-NS

If you have a big monitor like i do you can have two racks side by side.

You mean when you use Record & Reason together?

I only really use Reason, haven't checked out Record...

But right now when you use Reason on a large display the whole thing looks extremely small...all the devices in the rack/knobs etc become tiny...they need to make it larger

[onion]

Originally Posted by DND-NS

25th August is a release date for new Reason and Record.
I'm very excited.

R + R combo is becoming so good, that one doesn't need anything else anymore.

Some bonehead said I should get rid of these apps and THAT's The Most stupid thing to say.

i'm with you on that...it's an exciting update with some great new tools. been a reason user since 1.0 and was early on the recycle bandwagon too. tried the record demo and was impressed, but i didn't exactly need it.

but i'm thinking to make reason/record the centerpiece of a portable laptop studio for composing/recording/sound designing on the go. the cpu efficiency, stability, all-in-one, self-contained philosophy is perfect for that application, i suspect.

[ctrlshft]

Just going to add the token "THEY NEED TO ADD MIDI OUT ALREADY!" comment. I will probably buy the upgrade (just have reason 4.0), but I'm still annoyed I have to use Cubase with it unless I want to sample my hardware synths (which admittedly, is like super duper easy now.)

...but serious P-Heads, when are we going to cross this bridge to magical midi-out land?

[mike vee]

Originally Posted by DND-NS

because?

because you can't use all the awesome plugins that are available in this world and no MID out...and the sound engine sounds weird.

I used reason for a long time...it's cool but not a pro thing in my opinion

are there people way more pro than me using it? yea so what can i say? haha

[pinkerton]

when i used reasonway back when (ver.2 i think) i was really stupid when it came to levels and i noticed that any audio that clipped just got limited when i exported wavs.

so id say if it sounds funny to you, turn everything down, and see what happens then. if it still sounds funny then i dunno. guess you just have better ears than me. i never noticed anything odd beyond the limting thing.

[ctrlshft]

Originally Posted by pinkerton

when i used reasonway back when (ver.2 i think) i was really stupid when it came to levels and i noticed that any audio that clipped just got limited when i exported wavs.

so id say if it sounds funny to you, turn everything down, and see what happens then. if it still sounds funny then i dunno. guess you just have better ears than me. i never noticed anything odd beyond the limting thing.

It's worth noting that the mixer got a big upgrade around 3.0 too, sounds damn good to my ears. that is until you rewire it... rewiring into cubase, sounds like ass to me... thin, levels get weird and sensitive. it's been tough working around that, but i love reason as a scratch pad for drums and pads. Most of my work has been done in it or with it (hardware synths rec in cubase5). I don't arrange in it, it's too rudimentary. I just wish they could give me MIDI OUT, so I could continue using it as a scratch pad, and then move the tracks into cubase when I want to.

I really wish we could know what the story is. I don't buy the heap of bull coming from the top about it being a business model. I think it would be hard to implement for them, but have no idea why. Think about it... why disclude a major industry-standard feature, just for the sake of it? Sure, people will still flock to it, it's that good, and with the new upgrades, pretty much the tits.

...cept those tits are MISSING MIDI OUT WTF?!

[mike vee]

i do think reason has the easiest and best sequencer...if it could control outboard synths i'd and opened VSTs Id use it for sure. i love arranging with it..and automation is so easy. but there's just too many "pro" plugins i use and i hate rewire...too much hastle.

[MPZ]

I'm curious as to how it will sound... to my ears the synths just lack character. on the other hand, I really like the way scream 4 sounds.

Don't get me wrong- one of my favorite artists, Foamo, uses reason exclusively for his synth work... I just don'f find myself listening to him again and again like I do with stuff from Robert Babicz and Jimptster, for example.

It can sound good- for example I love Foamo because he works hard to make it sound very modern and charismatic, but to me it lacks character- the synths don't sound like instruments, if you know what I mean. Thus, I plan to get it when I can afford to take it OTB (or find an ITB plugin that really does great things to it).

Unless, of course, V5 makes it sound more characterful. I'm hoping that happens.

[ctrlshft]

Originally Posted by MPZ

I'm curious as to how it will sound... to my ears the synths just lack character. on the other hand, I really like the way scream 4 sounds.

Don't get me wrong- one of my favorite artists, Foamo, uses reason exclusively for his synth work... I just don'f find myself listening to him again and again like I do with stuff from Robert Babicz and Jimptster, for example.

It can sound good- for example I love Foamo because he works hard to make it sound very modern and charismatic, but to me it lacks character- the synths don't sound like instruments, if you know what I mean. Thus, I plan to get it when I can afford to take it OTB (or find an ITB plugin that really does great things to it).

Unless, of course, V5 makes it sound more characterful. I'm hoping that happens.

They are overdue for some code revamping, although Thor does sound pretty good. I think Subtractor needs a serious upgrade and a facelift.

We need more fx, and of a higher quality. I like the RV-7000 alot. Scream 4 is great, imagine if each of the dist modes had more diverse parameter settings relevant to the mode (for example, tape compression... you get tape speed (lo cut) and compression ratio). Why not add more stuff like flutter/wow, attack/release, mix and match a few different models and tape heads maybe? Could be a independent effect too. Just take a look at what U-he and D-16 Group offer in the way of effects units... look at friggin Ableton. Reason can do better.

[pinkerton]

reason is the only program that gives me gas.

well, ableton did it too i guess.

no midi really does ruin my plans though (which were diabolical i tell thee)

[MPZ]

look at friggin Ableton. Reason can do better.

That just about sums it up. I love ableton's racks... so incredibly versatile. Ironically, Thor was the synth I was talking about. And I agree, It does sound good... take this track for example

YouTube - Mystery jets Half in love with elizabeth Foamo remix
(Lol, I need to figure out how to embed)

Unless the artist lied in an interview, the synth work in this track was all done in Reason. It sounds good to me- and I absolutely love the synth programming and track- but in softsynth land, U-he's ACE, Vaz modular, and DCAM Synth Squad all sound a lot better to my ears. If you look at how old Vaz is.... as you said, Reason needs sonic work. Here's to hoping Propellerhead makes it happen.

[skygod]

Buyers Beware
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The REC1.5-REASON5 DUO arrived yesterday. Loaded both apps on WIN 7 X64 system. Authorized the Reason 5 and the dongle no problem. Then Record. Guess what? The License in the box has both the same License Number and the Same Registration Number. I cannot activate it. Contacted Propellerhead Immediately. No response. Apparently a lot of folks who bought the Boxed Version have the same problem and are screaming on the forum. Word on the forum is that their customer support sucks donkey poop.

Contacted the vendor, who immediately utters "Due to copyright laws ...." I said Whaaaa?? Are you faaaking nutso? These dickheads released a boxed software app for $400.00 and include the wrong licensing information making the app totally freaking useless if not activated on the included dongeloid and this is tantamount to Internet fraud and you're talking to me about copyright laws you moron? Get me the codes I need and make it happen now. So he takes the complaint and says after Columbus weekend their REP'll get on it. Faaking Great!

Well I'll give the idiots the benefit of the doubt. If their quality control is made in China like everything else these days then oh well it's down the toilet like the rest of the pro audio and entertainment industry these days anyways. They have 48 hours otherwise I'm calling AMEX to initiate a fraud investigation and they can seize their account and get my money back. It’s that easy. Fukk'em! They're a bunch of idiots.

BUYERS BEWARE OF THE REC REASON DUO. IT'LLBITE YA IN THE ARS if you buy with dickless Visa or MC. You'll never see the light of day again -

nuff said

~skygod~

[ctrlshft]

Originally Posted by skygod

Buyers Beware
________________________________________
The REC1.5-REASON5 DUO arrived yesterday. Loaded both apps on WIN 7 X64 system. Authorized the Reason 5 and the dongle no problem. Then Record. Guess what? The License in the box has both the same License Number and the Same Registration Number. I cannot activate it. Contacted Propellerhead Immediately. No response. Apparently a lot of folks who bought the Boxed Version have the same problem and are screaming on the forum. Word on the forum is that their customer support sucks donkey poop.

Contacted the vendor, who immediately utters "Due to copyright laws ...." I said Whaaaa?? Are you faaaking nutso? These dickheads released a boxed software app for $400.00 and include the wrong licensing information making the app totally freaking useless if not activated on the included dongeloid and this is tantamount to Internet fraud and you're talking to me about copyright laws you moron? Get me the codes I need and make it happen now. So he takes the complaint and says after Columbus weekend their REP'll get on it. Faaking Great!

Well I'll give the idiots the benefit of the doubt. If their quality control is made in China like everything else these days then oh well it's down the toilet like the rest of the pro audio and entertainment industry these days anyways. They have 48 hours otherwise I'm calling AMEX to initiate a fraud investigation and they can seize their account and get my money back. It’s that easy. Fukk'em! They're a bunch of idiots.

BUYERS BEWARE OF THE REC REASON DUO. IT'LLBITE YA IN THE ARS if you buy with dickless Visa or MC. You'll never see the light of day again -

nuff said

~skygod~

I had this exact problem and Propellerheads support fixed it in two business days, requiring only for me to scan or take a picture of the registration card. A brief visit to the Propellerheads forums will locate threads on this issue and help reassure anyone who is concerned about this.

Believe me, I was upset up about it, but Reason 5 is really what I wanted most out of it, and that didn't require Record being registered. The wait wasn't too bad. I hope though that Propellerheads is keeping a list of customers affected by this printing error and plan to offer a little something as recompense for it.

[skygod]

Attn: Gearslutz Admistrator/Moderator please make this into a sticky-

Box arrived Friday and I could not activate Record 1.5 because the codes in the box were incorrect. Reason loaded properly and I authorized and dongled it because the included codes were fine. There is a license# for each and a Registration number for each. These cannot be identical but must all be different.

Contacted the Vendor ZZounds in NJ immediately, who took the report and contacted Propellerhead. I was informed that the supervisor could not get this done till after the weekend and Columbus Day on Monday.

Called back Monday, and immediately rec'd an email from Germany from Axel Nathorst-Böös. He requested I scan the registration code and email it to him. I did so yesterday afternoon and today I rec'd a follow up email from him stating that the correct and new registration codes had been added to my account, and the next time I logged on I would be able to activate it and transfer it to my dongle. It happened seamlessly and the product is fully authorized and functional now. Axel was very apologetic and stated that some of the boxes had been shipped with incorrect codes. Very kind and professional gentleman.

Now here's the rub. I get a closure email from ZZounds today stating that I should have contacted Line 6 Customer Support who are now the agents for Propellerhead customer support in the United States instead of the vendor and thus creating a ‘middle-man’. I responded that I had no idea, and had I known that I would have contaced Line 6 first instead of the vendor or go online as I did and fill out a customer support inquiry/complaint at Propellerhead.

Bottom line: All the folks at Propellerhead forums that are screaming bloody murder on the forums, well, you can all stop now because nobody is listening. It’s not that Propellerhead’s Customer Support sucks or is dysfunctional, rather, as I just discovered from a ‘middle-man’ third party that it’s a matter that it is ‘Turned Off” and you have to go to Line 6 instead. Drol isn’t it? I am a registered Line 6 user of their products and you’d think that they would mention it in blinking marquis big letters on ther homepage ”PROPELLERHEADS CHECK IN ROOM KEY HERE AT THE LINE 6 MOTEL” huh?

I emailed both ZZound and Axel Nathorst-Böös that both Line 6 Website and Propellerhead's Website and all vendors who sell their products should get the word out so that the folks can know in advance. I didn't know, and I am a line 6 authorized user of their products as well. Go figure. I was incensed that it arrived after waiting all Summer for this goddamned release to get here and then it arrives then all this shit. Like I’ve said time and time again folks this industry is broken. Quality control is down the tubes, and communication has to get better somehow if we’re all gonna survive this century. This really sucks. Happy ending but unnecessary journey.

If you know anybody in a quandary with the new products please let them know so that they can be at ease and not jump of the GWB prematurely LOL

~fuggedaboudit!~

Hope this helps

~skygod~

[Arthur Stone]

Sorry to hear about your negative experience.

I first purchased Reason (boxed from retailer) about 6/7 years ago and installed it but it wouldn't work...tried everything (BIOS tweaaks, re-installation of OS, etc.) and then took it back to the retailer for a refund (as I am entitled to under UK law). The retailer refused (although I'm suspicious that it was known that corrupt discs were in circulation) and what's more the retailer insulted me (ha ha - missed a good few K of business since).

Eventually after a week or so of phone calls it was decided that, in fact, the installation disc was corrupt; a replacement was sent and this worked perfectly.

It cost me time, patience and I felt a little offended at the attitude of the retailer (who ultimately was the biggest loser). I recieved no apology.

That said, Reason and Record are outstanding and I have stuck with them since; if all DAW's are equally-capable (sonically) then I have struck gold.

Apart from this one incident I've never had any issues with Propellerheads products.