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Old 26th March 2010   #91
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Yes... they are three different tracks.

If you perform a null test you will be able to clarify that they are not identical.

I admit the difference is subtle... but this all goes to prove that there is only negligible difference between EQs & Compressors.

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And you are certain that it shouldn't be a blind null test?
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And you are certain that it shouldn't be a blind null test?
I sometimes get the impression that you are not being entirely serious.
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Yeah, well, if you claim to be able to tell the difference, let's see if you can differentiate between which effect has been applied in my following test.

First there is the original loop (marked as such), then there are two unidentified loops; one has been EQ'd, the other compressed. Can you REALLY tell which one is which?... without cheating & analysing them in your DAW!

Deadset... is this a joke?
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Bonus points if you can identify the super-rare sample used in the test.

Madonna, Like a Virgin!!!
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Madonna, Like a Virgin!!!
Sh**!!!

I hadn't even recognised that likeness!!;

Although it's not actually a sample from Madonna's seminal classic about the breaking of hymen, it does sound almost EXACTLY THE SAME!!!

Good spot!

However, if you perform a null test, you can see there are slight differences.

tbh, it's a pretty obscure sample, so I doubt anyone will recognise it.
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And the correct answer is......



'test 1' was the loop that had EQ applied, whilst 'test 2' was the loop that had compression applied.

Not a single person managed to get that right! So it just goes to show that the difference between EQ and Compression is negligible (obviously not at very extreme settings... but when applied subtly like in my test it's difficult to tell which is which.).
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Not a single person managed to get that right! So it just goes to show that the difference between EQ and Compression is negligible (obviously not at very extreme settings... but when applied subtly like in my test it's difficult to tell which is which.).

I don't think so, it's more of a case of 'no one wanted to dignify that with a response'. How can you say that any of those samples sounded similar at all? What are you monitoring on? 2 cups connected with a piece of string? I really can't help but feel that this is a joke.
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I don't think so, it's more of a case of 'no one wanted to dignify that with a response'. How can you say that any of those samples sounded similar at all? What are you monitoring on? 2 cups connected with a piece of string? I really can't help but feel that this is a joke.
We're talking about the audio samples in this post:

what do people listen for exactly with compression?

... They are not actually identical; there are subtle amounts of effect applied to the two 'test' samples.

'test 1' has been EQ'd
'test 2' has been compressed

... but the resultant processed audio is virtually indistinguishable without performing a null test in an audio editor.
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Okay... so I'm going to let you all in on what the sample is as it seems no one is going to get it....

Drum roll.........



It's from a track named 'Apache' from a band called 'The Incredible bongo Band'


If I recall correctly, it's actually been sampled by someone once... so you might possibly have heard it before without realising.
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Here's the song the sample is from.

It was originally recorded by 'The Shadows'
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We're talking about the audio samples in this post:

what do people listen for exactly with compression?

... They are not actually identical; there are subtle amounts of effect applied to the two 'test' samples.

'test 1' has been EQ'd
'test 2' has been compressed

... but the resultant processed audio is virtually indistinguishable without performing a null test in an audio editor.
Where is the subtle difference? There is a huge amount of difference between them, you could tell the difference between those audio clips listening to them from macbook speakers with your hands over your ears while getting punched in the face from a gorilla.

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I really can't help but feel that this is a joke.
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Sorry- ongoing joke with Grumpy & Karloff70... apologies for drawing you into the crossfire!
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It's from a track named 'Apache' from a band called 'The Incredible bongo Band'


If I recall correctly, it's actually been sampled by someone once... so you might possibly have heard it before without realising.
lol. Someone? Everyone's classic favourite break I thought......plenty Leftfield has seen that......

Maybe we need to let 'the game' go old chap...people are getting befuddled.
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lol. Someone? Everyone's classic favourite break I thought......plenty Leftfield has seen that......

Maybe we need to let 'the game' go old chap...people are getting befuddled.
I know... I've stopped already... sorry for taking that a bit far.

Just could not resist the invitation when Grumpy said
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As for you two trollish persons (simonator, karloff), are you just for arguments sake going to argue that a compressor is an eq in disguise?
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haha! I could never fully believe that you were being serious, but you had me going!
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haha! I could never fully believe that you were being serious, but you had me going!
My apologies... it all relates back to this thread:

programming dance beats that push?

which started out as a great resource with people sharing there best tips, then midway through got led astray into a heavily convoluted argument that began with semantics & dragged on for a further four pages seemingly just because we were all too stubborn to quit!
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so compression squashes the frequency spectrum right?
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Not a single person managed to get that right!
i find that hard to beleive. thanks for the examples though. it is really quite obvious, then again, so was the super obscure sample of madonna playing the exact same drum break that has been used ELEVENDY BILLION TIMES already in three galaxies even. i kid
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I CONSTANTLY have this plug as the last thing on my master output, and CONSTANTLY have the GUI open (possible in Logic, but not Ableton (which only lets you see guis on the highlighted track).).
Finding this plug was a revelation for me.
Please tell me I'm mistaken because my head about exploded on this one. On the first page of Ableton Live's preferences pop-up, there's a checkbox called "Show multiple plugins", which will allow you to keep open as many plugin gui windows as you want at time, and position them anywhere as you switch between tracks, view, other devices, etc. It drives my crazy that Ableton has done such a poor job at disseminating this kind of absolutely basic, essential information about their product! (And I know this is a problem because I've heard lots of mentions of people not knowing this.)

Another commmon misconception along the same lines is that 'you're stuck with the zoom-variable edit grid', when (in reality) fixed-grid options are available on the same menu. And one more I didn't figure out for like a year: you can grab the edges and resize the boxes around Live's meters in the track mixer area of Session View to reveal more detailed metering. Drag up to show all the track's peak-hold data, and a numerical indication of that track's fader level, and drag to the right to see 6db increment ticks on the gain meter, and drag even farther to reveal actual numerical values.
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