I do believe you are the one from Mars. I work as as an editor and a music supervisor for alot of the big UK broadcasters as well as music production. So I think i'm quite well placed to understand what makes a TV program ( And it's musical content )
You are still not making any sense at all. I don't even understand what you are saying.
oh..anther editor turned music producer
sofar about generalisations.
would you mind to tell me in which context of the show the dance pieces are needed? is it a talk show? or has it a story with actors? in which scene the pieces are needed? anything that remotly happens in a club? or are the tracks needed for a steaming hot bedroom scene?
would you mind to tell me in which context of the show the dance pieces are needed? is it a talk show? or has it a story with actors? in which scene the pieces are needed? anything that remotly happens in a club? or are the tracks needed for a steaming hot bedroom scene?
Perhaps you should do more listening and less judging. For your information I started off studying sound engineering before going into TV work. But it is people like you that inspire me to succeed in my musical endeavors.
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Perhaps you should do more listening and less judging. For your information I started off studying sound engineering before going into TV work. But it is muppets like you that inspire me to succeed in my musical endeavors.
for someone that dont understands what i am talking about you very consequently trying to avoid the answer what the dancetracks are for..
so i assume that its really about some club located scenes.. and the reason there was no pitch to get an authentic producer for this kind of music or do some licencing of contemporary tracks is because you can do it way cheaper and place the tracks in the publishing of the producer??
so budget choice..ok fair enough. have fun with the organic dance..
I would like to hear why he likes the Alchemy samples and how he uses them.
I find the Alchemy drum samples to be leagues above Vengeance. Much cleaner, hard-hitting and well sounding.
I use them by dragging them into an audio track. Never care to play them through a sampler.
If you are hunting good club-kicks, Alchemy is great. I haven't tested other Alchemy products but I sure will.
My 2 cents.
for someone that dont understands what i am talking about you very consequently trying to avoid the answer what the dancetracks are for..
so i assume that its really about some club located scenes.. and the reason there was no pitch to get an authentic producer for this kind of music or do some licencing of contemporary tracks is because you can do it way cheaper and place the tracks in the publishing of the producer??
so budget choice..ok fair enough. have fun with the organic dance..
ps: what happened to the muppets?
Budget choice eh? What makes you so convinced that my productions aren't going to be good?? You have no idea. You are just sprouting nonsense over the internet.
It's not a scripted show. It's a factual show. Nothing to do with clubs. You normally use all sorts of different music for TV shows. Ambient, dance, Rock. It's a big mixture.
I took out muppets as I didn't want to be too aggressive. But trust me I'm close to calling you a few things.
I find the Alchemy drum samples to be leagues above Vengeance. Much cleaner, hard-hitting and well sounding.
I use them by dragging them into an audio track. Never care to play them through a sampler.
If you are hunting good club-kicks, Alchemy is great. I haven't tested other Alchemy products but I sure will.
My 2 cents.
Well I was reading through the license of the Veangence Sample products, now is this true that the use is INLY for none commercial purposes or rather totally useless unless you never want to release it?
Bit of a joke considering they sample other peoples work!
Here is the license details:
Please read the terms of the following software licence agreement before using this software.
The sound samples recorded on this CD remain the property of Vengeance-Sound and are licensed, not sold, to you for use on your sampling and harddisc-recording equipment.
Vengeance-Sound reserves any other rights not expressly granted to you.
The right to use enclosed sounds is granted to the original end-user of the product (Licensee) and is not transferable - this means you cannot
sell any sample packs second hand. By the same logic you cannot use any sounds from second hand products legally in productions.
Due our terms of use (Share It TOS), you can not sell this product to anyone.
Once the product is sold, both, your and the buyers license is terminated.
In this case, you are not longer allowed to use any of the samples in your productions.
All lending, renting, copying, duplicating, trading or reselling of this product or its contents (also modified contents) is strictly prohibited. You also are not allowed to upload or download
this product, or any of the sounds on it, on the Internet (except from Vengeance-Sound) .
In effect, any such action is piracy, is therefore illegal, and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
You can use the Sounds in any type of non commercial music production without permission. You may modify the sounds to your need.
The Sounds can not be used for making music or sounds that will be licensed or sold as Library Music, Sound Clips, or other Sampling products.
Licensor will not be responsible if the contents of this disc does not fit the particular purpose of the Licensee. The sounds provided are
licensed "as is" without warranties of any kind. All rights reserved.
Neither the producer, nor Vengeance-Sound, nor any distributor of Vengeance-Sound products can be held responsible for any direct or indirect or
consequential loss arising from the use of this product in whatever form.
I remember this thread from like a year ago. This is a standard license. It just says don't resell these samples. You can use them for your own music and sell the song but not the sounds themselves. Seems pretty standard for sample libraries
How do you know that they aren't licensed and paid for? You don't. That's a fact.
lol are you serious???????????????? do you really believe that they have paid run dmc (and other top artists) just to use small (and bad sampled) snippets of their vocals?
there are enough comments on the web from producers which found their drumloops on vengeance sample cds.
btw i'm talking about the older sample cds from vengeance. the actual ones are mostly created by external producers and are "clean".
This is what they say on their website FAQ: Yes, you are free to use all our samples however you wish - with no royalty fees due, ever!
How can this be true?
if they have sampled then it isn't; they are just taking a shot that nobody will come after them. if you use a sample that somebody recognises in a track you run the risk of getting sued. most don't have to worry about this as they're making music as a hobby, but if you're making music that's getting exposure it would be unwise to use uncleared samples.
if they have sampled then it isn't; they are just taking a shot that nobody will come after them. if you use a sample that somebody recognises in a track you run the risk of getting sued. most don't have to worry about this as they're making music as a hobby, but if you're making music that's getting exposure it would be unwise to use uncleared samples.
Interesting though, what happens if I get sued using an Aerosmith sample and I refer to their statement that I'm free to use them without paying royalty fees?
The Wave Alchemy stuff is put together by talented people with great gear and skills. The one shot samples are total quality and range across so many styles and feels.
Not that i personally use them but just listen to the loops and grooves the guys create as well, they are top notch.
Vengeance stuff is ok but far too many artefacts and nowhere near the straight up quality of Wave Alchemy stuff.
On another plus Wave Alchemy treat their sounds with top hardware so you dont really have to do any additional processing if you so desire, and can leave that area as is and spend money else where.
I prefer to use one shot samples and battery than drum machines and hardware though but thats just my way of working. Some people may prefer starting from scratch on drum sounds and may hate using one shots.
Interesting though, what happens if I get sued using an Aerosmith sample and I refer to their statement that I'm free to use them without paying royalty fees?
Irrelevant: it's your job to make sure all samples are clear. This is all 'shooting the breeze', unlikely you'll get sued, but it's worth knowing.
You can use all one-shots, drums, fx, loops etc. from Vengeance samplepacks commercially in your productions without any restrictions. That's usually around 90% of a samplepack. Even when a samplepack is a construction kit, these are mostly drum loops.
For the remaining ~10% there are some special rules: sometimes complex melodic loops are contained in these samples; these are basically half finished songs (for example some loops in the bonus folders on older packs, or sometimes the melody tracks from the mp3 demonstrations).
Since you are not the composer, we will NOT transfer the rights for the compositions of these songs to you. That's simply not possible, since only one person can be the original author, not several hundreds.
So the composition rights remain at us. The reason is simple: you can not go to a record label, make a track completely from construction kits and claim you are the original composer. This lead to all sorts of issues. We have seen our own YouTube video blocked, because a label claims to have the rights of a specific composition in the demo; in fact, their signed artist has simply used a construction kit from us. This is a serious problem for us. To prevent this sort of thing, we are forced to keep the composition rights.
To clarify, a simple off-beat bass-loop (an "umpf umpf umpf" sound) is not a composition. Chord progressions (for example, in the new Guitar samplepack) are also not compositions and are freely usable. Basic octave-based arpeggio lines are not compositions. Sounds that consist of one note, playing rhythmic patterns are not compositions etc... Only complex and recognizable melodies with a specific length and musical complexity are considered to be compositions.
In the case of construction kit packs, you can combine and mix several construction kits together, cut them into pieces, re-arrange them, fx them, use only parts of it etc... You can easily create a new song with this. Be creative. But you should not arrange the kits in exactly the same way that they are arranged in the mp3 demos.
Please don't misunderstand this restriction: It's not that we would ever take legal actions against a customer who uses a melodic loop purchased from us commercially. We have never done this, and never will!
So the composition rights remain at us. The reason is simple: you can not go to a record label, make a track completely from construction kits and claim you are the original composer. This lead to all sorts of issues.
This is a relatively old thread but I feel like commenting anyway.
I think the reason these sound like they are being ripped from commercial tracks is simply because they are so widely used.
I remember watching a video on youtube with stonebridge talking about remixing and he says: "I'm going to let you in on a little producer secret. The reason so many songs are at 128 bpm is because vengeance samples are all 128bpm and that's pretty much what we all use".
That tells me that its actually the samples that came first, and then tons of artists use them, as opposed to the other way around.
I remember watching a video on youtube with stonebridge talking about remixing and he says: "I'm going to let you in on a little producer secret. The reason so many songs are at 128 bpm is because vengeance samples are all 128bpm and that's pretty much what we all use".
this is just stonebridge's opinion and not the truth.
128 bpm was a standard tempo at this time (and for a long time).
vengance is also not the inventor of 128 bpm loops
This is really THE key quote from Vengeance and more than their own scumminess... the question should be how do YOU feel as an "artist" if you're the guy making tracks from samples packs:
"The reason is simple: you can not go to a record label, make a track completely from construction kits and claim you are the original composer."
Even the people you buy the sample packs from won't/can't hide the fact that you're a poser.
this is just stonebridge's opinion and not the truth.
128 bpm was a standard tempo at this time (and for a long time).
vengance is also not the inventor of 128 bpm loops
I realize that its opinion, the key part of the quote from stonebridge was that he said all the producers use them. Obviously he can't know if all do, but he wouldn't have said that if vengeance samples weren't the standard for many producers. Again his quote leads you to believe that the reason the samples seem taken from hit tracks is because lots of producers are simply using them. If 1000's of producers are using any sample pack, of course your going to start hearing the samples popping up.
As for the 128bpm. I was just quoting stonebridge. I realize that 128 is a standard bpm anyway and I'm sure he knows that too. I think he meant to insinuate that since their main sample pack is 128bpm they of course will be influenced to simply make a track in 128 as opposed to 130 or something.
Again, I'm only quoting stonebridge to debunk the fact that vengeance steal their samples from major artists. I just doubt any company could remain in business doing that. It's simply a case of tons and tons of producers using the samples. I've heard lots of garage band samples in commercial tracks like an usher track and a paul van dyke track. That'd doesn't mean apple stole them, it just means those artists used something widely available.
For the record I have no problem with people using a sample here and there to spice up a track or for something simplistic like drums. I do think it crosses the line though when a person uses an entire song kit or essentially makes one by creating a song from pure samples.
This is really THE key quote from Vengeance and more than their own scumminess... the question should be how do YOU feel as an "artist" if you're the guy making tracks from samples packs:
"The reason is simple: you can not go to a record label, make a track completely from construction kits and claim you are the original composer."
Even the people you buy the sample packs from won't/can't hide the fact that you're a poser.
This has nothing to do with "feelings" or any sort of emotional reaction involving name calling, face palms, or the true meaning of "artistry." You've pulled one line out of context and run with it in your own direction.
If you actually read what they wrote, you'll find its entirely a legal issue. A melody can be copywrited only once. Therefore they cannot legally give out royalty free rights for multiple people to claim.
Chord progressions, one-and-two-note melodic patterns, drums, and synth sounds cannot by copywrited. Therefore you can use them freely.
This is for any sample CD out there. There's a wall when it comes to royalty-free melodies (i believe 5 notes is the point at which a string of notes legally becomes a "melody"), as only one person can ever claim them.
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Originally Posted by kholland65
As for the 128bpm. I was just quoting stonebridge. I realize that 128 is a standard bpm anyway and I'm sure he knows that too. I think he meant to insinuate that since their main sample pack is 128bpm they of course will be influenced to simply make a track in 128 as opposed to 130 or something.
He was having a laugh. 128 has been standard for long before Vengeance was ever a company. I did probably 30 remixes, all but at few at 128, in the 2000s before Vengeance. Its simply the most DJ-able tempo. Sounds fine at 125, and sounds fine at 133.
As for the 128bpm. I was just quoting stonebridge. I realize that 128 is a standard bpm anyway and I'm sure he knows that too...
128 is (or was) a standard tempo so vengeance just offered their loops in this tempo, thats it. but maybe all vengeance customers were too "intelligent" to change the tempo of a loop
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Originally Posted by kholland65
Again, I'm only quoting stonebridge to debunk the fact that vengeance steal their samples from major artists.
do you really need more examples or do you still want to "debunk" the reality?
priceless story: even stonebridge have been sampled (a loop from 2003 of them is on the veh sample cd from 2005).
but anyway... we are talking about the old sample cds from vengeance here. the newer ones are obviously "clean" but lost attraction due the mediocre content.
You guys are still reading into the 128bpm thing to much. I really shouldn't even have included it. It was simply part of the quote.
I realize 128 is a good bpm, I realize its been the standard and why vengeance would release there samples as such. I realize not everyone is so stupid that they are too lazy to make another bpm besides what their samples are. I'm simply quoting a person.
Because of this fact, I agree stonebridge was wrong (to a degree) in insinuating the reason for 128bpm tracks is because of vengeance samples, but the point is still the same, which is he implied tons of producers use them. That was the main reason for my original quote. To simply bring attention to the fact that a top producer/dj is saying that most producers use them. The sheer fact that we are having such an open discussion about them as opposed to any other sample pack, in and of itself implies that they are popular (for better for for worse), only further confirming stonebridges notion.
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