Apple iPad

[Simonator]

Cheesy video. Makes Microsoft songsmith look cool.


What a massive disappointment.


It can do everything an iPhone can... only it wont fit in your pocket.


Who's going to want that piece of crud, when for the same price you could buy a real computer... that actually runs software and stuff.


Wasted opportunity.


CDM
Create Digital Music » How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac
To put it briefly, I think the new, mobile Apple is doing immense harm to the computing legacy the company has forged. We could have had a Mac tablet today. Instead, we have a giant iPhone – and that’s a decision that has some serious repercussions. It’s a blow to open source alternatives, but also to open development in general: the power of interchangeable hardware and software, on which everything we do with music and visuals on computers is based.

I want a tablet that will run Ableton!!

[spunkadellic]

yes...i would rather it run osx and not iphone ware

but...

it was not meant to run ableton and final cut pro - get a laptop for that



it was meant to destroy the kindle and the nook and all the other crappy tablets out there - and it will


AND - it could be used as a SWEET TOUCH INTERFACE to compliment an existing DAW setup

[Simonator]

not only have they delivered a piece of s*** that's locked into their authorised apps & with no standard connectivity (ie usb, firewire.)... but they're stopping other companies from making tablets too; according to that CDM article they are threatening legal action against companies trying to incorporate multitouch gestures on touch screens.

Apple spoiling the party for everyone.

[MonoBrow]

Indeed..the cdm article is spot on.

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by simonator

not only have they delivered a piece of s*** that's locked into their authorised apps & with no standard connectivity (ie usb, firewire.)...

What about Bluetooth?

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by spunkadellic

it was not meant to run ableton and final cut pro - get a laptop for that

Why not? There's nothing stopping Ableton from making an iPad friendly version of their Live software. I think it could be a very cool tool for DJ's and people who want to make quick musical sketches.

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

What about Bluetooth?

Yeah... coz there are obviously loads of zero latency bluetooth audio interfaces

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

Why not? There's nothing stopping Ableton from making an iPad friendly version of their Live software. I think it could be a very cool tool for DJ's and people who want to make quick musical sketches.

For one, it wont have sufficient power in the processor to run anything serious.

For two, any 'app' requires Apples explicit authorisation. Until VERY recently (ie about a month ago.), Apple have totally blanked the MANY software companies who have put forward developed DJ applications, leaving them in limbo with no explanation as to why their app is not authorised.

For three, no 'app' is allowed to access the music library within an iPhone... I'm assuming it's probably going to be the same on this device (??).

[ohmicide]

so it's just a ****ing giant iphone?

what a disappointment

EDIT: wait it starts a $499? shit that just makes me want one i hope someone makes a midi app via blue tooth so it can be used as a jazzmutant lemur that would seriously kick major ass for the price

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by simonator

Yeah... coz there are obviously loads of zero latency bluetooth audio interfaces

I don't think that anyone realistically expected the iPad to be used as a DAW replacement. There's nothing stopping anyone from making Bluetooth MIDI controllers though. Imagine the iPad as a powerful sequencer in the heart of a computer-less setup. Numerology anyone?

Also, it seems that it is indeed possible to plug USB devices into the iPad:

Apple iPad's Myriad Optional Dongles: USB, SD, AC, BBQ - apple ipad - Gizmodo

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

I don't think that anyone realistically expected the iPad to be used as a DAW replacement.

You're right... from all the rumors, for many months, all anyone realistically expected was this piece of crap giant iPhone that only runs 'app's

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

There's nothing stopping anyone from making Bluetooth MIDI controllers though. Imagine the iPad as a powerful sequencer in the heart of a computer-less setup.

Now imagine a perfectly feasable tablet laptop with full processing power that will run Ableton Live and let you control it with multi-touch gestures.
Now forget it because Apple has the patents on multi-touch gestures and is threatening to sue anyone who makes this device that the market obviously wants.

[NewSc2]

*shrug* I'll get two. TouchOSC, here I come!

I mean seriously though, come on. Compare it to Jazzmutant's Lemur. Does the Lemur have a DAW? Is it as affordable?

I'll admit it, I had no idea what it would be, and envisioned something more, but short of holographic video conferencing or whatever the rumors were pegging it at, I wouldn't have been 100% satisfied. What I am shocked by is the price. $499 is very un-Apple like.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by NewSc2

*shrug* I'll get two. TouchOSC, here I come!

I mean seriously though, come on. Compare it to Jazzmutant's Lemur. Does the Lemur have a DAW? Is it as affordable?

I'll admit it, I had no idea what it would be, and envisioned something more, but short of holographic video conferencing or whatever the rumors were pegging it at, I wouldn't have been 100% satisfied. What I am shocked by is the price. $499 is very un-Apple like.

That ipad thingy doesnt have a daw.And a lemur is kinda open.You can make your own templates.They cant be compared imo.

[rids]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

I don't think that anyone realistically expected the iPad to be used as a DAW replacement.

That would be a mess. You need a keyboard to work your DAW. Why would anyone think they can use only a tablet or iPad and not have to touch their keyboard. You need buttons and your not going to have a virtual overlapped keyboard over your DAW. It would just cram the screen. I'm all for touch interfaces, but we'll have to see a DAW release a version with appropriate virtual key commands until it will be suitable for most. I've wanted a touch screen for a long time with my DAW, but I'm not sure it would work out as good as I would hope.

[NewSc2]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

That ipad thingy doesnt have a daw.And a lemur is kinda open.You can make your own templates.They cant be compared imo.

h e x l e r . n e t | TouchOSC

[Justynfromnz]

Originally Posted by NewSc2

*shrug* I'll get two. TouchOSC, here I come!

I mean seriously though, come on. Compare it to Jazzmutant's Lemur. Does the Lemur have a DAW? Is it as affordable?

I'll admit it, I had no idea what it would be, and envisioned something more, but short of holographic video conferencing or whatever the rumors were pegging it at, I wouldn't have been 100% satisfied. What I am shocked by is the price. $499 is very un-Apple like.

Thats All i hope it can do. Be a cheap Lemur. I dont give a crap if it cant run a daw yet. Maybe it will in the future. But If people managed to get their iphones talking to pro-tools, they should be able to get this thing to talk to max.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by NewSc2

h e x l e r . n e t | TouchOSC

I have seen this...not convinced it will be as good.Latency and so on.But if that works well...I am not buying one for just touch osc.Anyways cool product imo but not more then a toy for music.

[organsymphony]

omg wtf bbq this is something that i personally don't have alot of use for therefore it is a completely shit product and it is awful and what the hell is apple thinking omfg.

[zebastian21]

2 words
Lemur Killer

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by zebastian21

2 words
Lemur Killer

less than half the price! i was honestly waiting for them to say it was gonna be around the $1k

[mono-poly]

Lemur killer indead totatly gonna buy one.
Since i got an iphone i love software synth apz.

[blue]

Sorry guys but you just don't get it!

It is just the next logical step in the technical evolution!!!



Belive me: There are dozens of hardware companies that will start trying to clone it tomorow.
(Of course with the next miserable version of windows.)

[SovietSpaceChild]

Originally Posted by simonator

You're right... from all the rumors, for many months, all anyone realistically expected was this piece of crap giant iPhone that only runs 'app's



Now imagine a perfectly feasable tablet laptop with full processing power that will run Ableton Live and let you control it with multi-touch gestures.
Now forget it because Apple has the patents on multi-touch gestures and is threatening to sue anyone who makes this device that the market obviously wants.

You obviously don't have any axe to grind with Apple, and your response to the iPad announcement is undoubtedly well reasoned and devoid of all bias.

What really surprises me about the negative responses to the iPad, specifically on this forum, is that this community has a long history of paying premiums, sometimes in the thousands of dollars, for products such as EQ's, compressors, synths, filters, etc. that do one thing, but do it exceptionally well, yet when Apple releases a product that is designed specifically for web browsing and electronic media consumption, for a fraction of the cost of one high end synth, all hell breaks loose.

[Person99]

I'm at a loss. Why does anyone think this is supposed to be a laptop replacement? Its not, nor should it be evaluated as such.

It is aimed squarely at two markets:
1) Kindle, et al (as pointed out above)
2) Netbook style use

As for number 1 it won't kill everything in that market, but will do serious damage. $250 for a book reader or $500 for something that does all of that, plus browses the web, does email, and runs 10s or thousands of apps that people love?

As for number 2, it is about $100-200 more than a netbook, has the same size (albeit better looking) display, is half as thick, and weighs half as much. You wouldn't run a DAW on a netbook either.

I really don't understand most of the comments in this thread, it is like Ferrari come out with a new car and a bunch of people stand around bitching that it can't haul as much lumber as a Ford F-150. Well no effing duh!

[ctrlshft]

seems pretty awesome, looking forward to using some of the synth apps out there with it, esp the one w/ keys. The whole Lemur-killer aspect is awesome too.

Yes, it's not a laptop. Didn't expect one. This is a great device. Waiting til Gen2 though thumbsup

[ohmicide]

how can you say no to this??

[hogberto]

i have no intention of saying no to one of those.

these things are going to be common household items in a few years' time, you mark my words.

[NewSc2]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

What really surprises me about the negative responses to the iPad, specifically on this forum, is that this community has a long history of paying premiums, sometimes in the thousands of dollars, for products such as EQ's, compressors, synths, filters, etc. that do one thing, but do it exceptionally well, yet when Apple releases a product that is designed specifically for web browsing and electronic media consumption, for a fraction of the cost of one high end synth, all hell breaks loose.

... Have you read all the Apple vs. PC threads?

People get very fanboyish with Apple.

[adamcal]

1. the iphone sounded warmer, and used rare german parts that are no longer available

2. is safari snappier

3. can it be moded to improve the clock

4. it will never be as good as actual hardware (stone) tablet

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by simonator

What a massive disappointment.

They all said the same about the iphone.

Originally Posted by simonator

I want a tablet that will run Ableton!!

They have been available for years now, google axiotron Modbook

Axiotron : Modbook




Back to the ipad
IMHO this one could be the biggie, the average person really doesn't need a computer anymore all they need is a web browser which is clearly the way things are gonna go, include into that cloud computing with your work all stored online, this is the way google are going and then the rest will follow.

Armchair surfing without the clumsy laptop, this type of thing is most likely going to be part of the living room furniture in the very near future. OK it really isn't gonna appeal to most of us, myself included, but in reality apart from a us music geeks and a few hardcore gamers outside of major industry most people don't really need full computers anymore. In a year or two am sure we will see lots of companies outside of apple make this type of thing. Lets hope they got a snappy OS, Ipad included.