12th January 2010
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#1 | | Gear nut
Joined: May 2006
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Thread Starter  | Looking for the right sequencer for Vermona DRM-1
Hey guys. I'm starting up a new project. It's a rock/electronic band. We are doing beats with a TR-909 and I was looking for one more drum machine.
I really love everything about the Vermona DRM-1. I just can't seem to find a sequencer that meets my requirements.
I want to be able to make beats with the Vermona like I would on a 909, or MachineDrum, but I don't want to break the bank.
The Electribe(s) look cool, but I want to hear from people who are taking this approach. What's it like programming the DRM1 with the Electribe products?
It would be awesome if something like a Tenori could be used with it.
I just can't seem to find the right solution.
What are all the possibilities. I'm not opposed to a little hacking, I just want it to work, and save my sequences. I don't want to use a computer, I'm all for vintage.
I can budget $600-700 tops for the sequencer part.
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12th January 2010
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#2 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Australia
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If you can afford an Octopus, or a Nemo.......
rachel
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12th January 2010
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#3 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2005 Location: Wallenhorst, Germany
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Originally Posted by junebughunter  I want to be able to make beats with the Vermona like I would on a 909 | In that case I'd just buy a TR-626. That should work nicely.
BTW: My wife's band is named "Junebug". I won't introduce you to her...
BTW2: I just visited your website and I don't have the slightest clue what it's about.
Cheers,
Bert
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12th January 2010
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#4 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Nov 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA
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MPC 60 man, nothing beats the feel of the sequencer in that thing. If you don't need the pads and you just want the sequencer then an Akai ASQ10: Akai ASQ10 picture | |
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12th January 2010
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#5 | | Gear addict
Joined: Aug 2009 Location: San Francisco, California
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mpc is my main sequencer for everything but i also have a couple of step sequencers as well. for the step type xox sequencing perhaps an electribe. also this new small doepfer trigger sequencer module might be interesting (but you would need a gate to midi interface) as you can see and manipulate several channels at the same time.
-matia
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13th January 2010
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#6 | | Gear nut
Joined: Aug 2004 Location: PDX
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Originally Posted by rachel If you can afford an Octopus, or a Nemo.......
rachel | Ah but when is the cirklon from sequentix coming out and how much will that cost?
Maybe I should just go back to the notron....
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13th January 2010
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#7 | | Lives for acid
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Me!bourne, Australia
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Originally Posted by Notron Fan Ah but when is the cirklon from sequentix coming out and how much will that cost?
Maybe I should just go back to the notron.... | Spoke to a P3 owner yesterday who said that Cirklon is about to go into production. Fingers crossed!
I can't believe the price of Notrons these days. Like $3K secondhand just because Aphex Twin uses them. Might as well spend the money on an Octopus.
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Originally Posted by Alan Parsons I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic.
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13th January 2010
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#8 | | Gear nut
Joined: Aug 2004 Location: PDX
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Re: notrons... I think i only spent about $1100 back in the day when I bought mine direct from latronic.
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13th January 2010
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#9 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Nov 2004 Location: New Amsterdam, Neitherlands
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Originally Posted by networkacid I can't believe the price of Notrons these days. Like $3K secondhand just because Aphex Twin uses them. Might as well spend the money on an Octopus. | The Notron is a special unit. I regretfully sold my MK I 10 years ago for $650. 
Which is what I paid for it when another user upgraded to the MK II.
A Yamaha QY100 could be a nice portable choice but surely not that much fun in a live situation if you wanted to improvise step sequences on the fly. Apparently Robert Hood had used one of these for many records.
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13th January 2010
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#10 | | Lives for acid
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: Me!bourne, Australia
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Yeah any MPC would do the trick but especially the 1000/2500 with JJOS for grid editing a la x0x drum machines. Plus you get a sampler  | |
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14th January 2010
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#11 | | Sonic Hooligan
Joined: Aug 2009 Location: UK
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Originally Posted by junebughunter It would be awesome if something like a Tenori could be used with it.
| You can. They both have midi after all. I don't know if its the best sequencer though.. But they can certainly work together.
Theres a few youtube vids that show Tenori-on's working with analogue gear. Indeed, there is even one that shows a Tenori-on working with a Vermona. YouTube - Novamusik.com - Yamaha Tenori-on with Analog Gear! | |
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14th January 2010
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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The Tenori-on doesn't transmit velocity, right? It all sounds a bit lifeless and mechanical to me.
Cheers,
Bert
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14th January 2010
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#13 | | Sonic Hooligan
Joined: Aug 2009 Location: UK
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Originally Posted by Feinstrom The Tenori-on doesn't transmit velocity, right? It all sounds a bit lifeless and mechanical to me.
Cheers,
Bert | Only on a per layer basis. Not per note unfortunately. And yes, they are rather robotic on the whole. Although as of today, now a little less so, as they have 'swing' added.
They are very limited things, although at the same time capable of some intriguing results too.
6 of one, half a dozen of the other! A peculiar instrument for sure. So not for everyone by any means.
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18th January 2010
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#14 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Aug 2009 Location: Nurmijärvi, Finland
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You could use the TR-909 sequencer in "ext inst" mode if Vermona works out with that. I'm pretty sure the Vermona responds straight out to correct MIDI notes (36-51), they seems to be some sort of standard.
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1st March 2010
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#15 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Aug 2009 Location: Nurmijärvi, Finland
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I just tried old Roland R8 to sequence Vermona. Works perfectly!
And I can also confirm to OP that 909 works well as a sequencer to DRM1. You can set the MIDI notes in Vermona to match to 909 ext inst easily. What I didn't try is to sync 909 to MIDI clock while controlling Vermona. I can try it out later if this is still relevant.
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6th March 2010
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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I don't know if you are only looking at standalone options. but x0x on maschine is pretty sweet.
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29th March 2010
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#17 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jan 2009 Location: San Francisco
Posts: 135
| Vermona sequencer
I've been sequencing using Logic & an MPD32 as a controller. Note Repeat (with velocity) + Vermona is Awesome. Is there a reason you want a hardware or external sequencer, rather than ITB?
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29th March 2010
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#18 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver
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I'd say just do an electribe. an ER-1 can be had for <200 bucks. and they're super fun. only no swing and I don't know if you can have different sequence lengths...
cirklon seems like just the ticket but would probably cost 10x as much.
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29th March 2010
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#19 | | Gear addict
Joined: Dec 2007
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Originally Posted by DGBX I'd say just do an electribe. an ER-1 can be had for <200 bucks. and they're super fun. only no swing and I don't know if you can have different sequence lengths...
cirklon seems like just the ticket but would probably cost 10x as much. |
Electribes do swing. Awesome and cost effective step-sequencer, would be my choice in your situation. If you can budget for it, you will probably want one of the larger ones (sx or mx), longer max pattern length, and feel a lot less toy like.
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29th March 2010
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#20 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 177
| are you sure? I never got my ER-1 to...maybe I was missing out??  | |
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29th March 2010
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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I've never had one but you should probably get an ER1  | |
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29th March 2010
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#22 | | Banned
Joined: Apr 2009 Location: SPACE!!!
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Originally Posted by DGBX are you sure? I never got my ER-1 to...maybe I was missing out?? | Shift + Pad number 8. Adjust the swing with the data wheel.
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29th March 2010
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#23 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver
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damn.
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29th March 2010
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#24 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2006 Location: australia
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How about a TR707? they are pretty cheap nowadays and have swing.
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29th March 2010
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#25 | | Lives for gear
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The TR-707 would be perfect, ...if it didn't have such archaic midi implementation  | |
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29th March 2010
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#26 | | Gear addict
Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Ont
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I have a MAM drum machine, which i believe has a similiar architecture. (one midi channel, with different notes per drum part?) I use the Futureretro Revolution, because it's random modes are great for fills. Also, it's accents. I'm sure the orb would work just as well.
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30th March 2010
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#27 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2009
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with the tr909 the only problem it's that it gives you a fixed dynamic value.
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30th March 2010
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#28 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2010 Location: Baltimore
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the TR-505 is a great x0x sequencer - the note values are assignable and you can get one for like $50.00
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17th April 2010
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#29 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Apr 2010 Location: Chicago, USA
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Now that NI Mashine does MIDI out, I wonder how well that would work with the DRM-1? Anybody tried it?
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17th April 2010
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#30 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008
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also look for the alesis hr-16. you can get one for around $50 and it has velocity pads and transmits that over midi and has internal sequencer.
it's easy to get one setup to transmit to your machine also as far as specific note number assignments to pads. internal sounds are crap but you'd just be using it to drive the vermona anyway so no problem there. also it has a better sequencer than the older rolands. you can do step entry or live entry while the pattern loops with quantize on or off. fairly easy to build up drum patterns quickly on one.
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