jupiter 6 or andromeda

[golden beers]

do i want an aston martin db6 or a bmw m3?

[clusterchord]

Aston martin db6


you've said it, man

[peglegjoe857]

Have you guys been watching the Jupiter's go lately?!? GEE WHIZ!

I think two went for JUST under 2 grand, and the rest WELL over.

What happened to JP-6's going for 1200??? I remember there was a point this summer when they went for that much CONSISTENTLY.

And I felt BLESSED getting mine for 900... and I am THOROUGHLY satisfied that I didnt WAIT to get it.

So seeing how much the JP-6 goes for now makes the ANDRO/JP-6 thing VERY difficult.

On one hand you have a super synthesizer with huge polyphony, multi-timbre, two filters, two vco + sub osc, and huge huge huge flexibility.. big tone... but DEFINITELY modern sounding.

On the other hand you have that cutting Roland tone... and without ANY LACK of features... multi-mode filter, 2 VCO, 2 ENV, 2 LFO, BI-Timbre... for it's price it's easily among the most versatile machines and tone heavy beasts out there.

hard to say.

And the BASS the Jupiter does is very much like SH-101 bass and not so much like Moog bass...

I have seriously been considering an Andro or an Xpander to add to my collection these days.. now that's a pair of machines that can more easily be compared... same price range, a lot of the same flexibilities, same kind of "modern analog" tone.

I would say that BECAUSE you already have the Xpander that you should get the JP-6... The JP-6 will give you that harder cutting kind of sound that the Andro doesn't make an attempt at... the "Roland" sound. The Xpander also doesn't have the "Roland" sound.

[lain2097]

Originally Posted by Diametro

..While Andy may have more features and poly, it sounds less "analog" to me with less "character," is far less attractive aesthetically, costs more, does not match JP-6 on all fronts (in fact, may not nail any of JP-6 key areas even if some/most are esoteric) as well as differences in UI philosophy (JP-6 has NO menus, not even a display and it works perfectly) ... But with JP-8 and JP-6 on hand, it could be a while ...

You're after my heart! Yep I totally agree. The A6 does not grab me though but the original Nord lead does.

Originally Posted by peglegjoe857

Have you guys been watching the Jupiter's go lately?!? GEE WHIZ!

I think two went for JUST under 2 grand, and the rest WELL over.

What happened to JP-6's going for 1200??? I remember there was a point this summer when they went for that much CONSISTENTLY.

And I felt BLESSED getting mine for 900... and I am THOROUGHLY satisfied that I didnt WAIT to get it.

So seeing how much the JP-6 goes for now makes the ANDRO/JP-6 thing VERY difficult.

On one hand you have a super synthesizer with huge polyphony, multi-timbre, two filters, two vco + sub osc, and huge huge huge flexibility.. big tone... but DEFINITELY modern sounding.

On the other hand you have that cutting Roland tone... and without ANY LACK of features... multi-mode filter, 2 VCO, 2 ENV, 2 LFO, BI-Timbre... for it's price it's easily among the most versatile machines and tone heavy beasts out there.

hard to say.

And the BASS the Jupiter does is very much like SH-101 bass and not so much like Moog bass...

I have seriously been considering an Andro or an Xpander to add to my collection these days.. now that's a pair of machines that can more easily be compared... same price range, a lot of the same flexibilities, same kind of "modern analog" tone.

I would say that BECAUSE you already have the Xpander that you should get the JP-6... The JP-6 will give you that harder cutting kind of sound that the Andro doesn't make an attempt at... the "Roland" sound. The Xpander also doesn't have the "Roland" sound.

You're right in that JP-6s are on the rise! Yes I'm guilty of checking on ebay prices now and again of my gear. True that the A6 and JP6 couldn't be more different.

You know almost every single demo I've heard from the A6 is like some ambient stuff or simply pads. Never hard, full, cutting chords or heavy de tuned leads. Probably just the owners' style the is the cause.

Which is probably why in my head I equate the A6 with ambient guys?

Still I find the A6 expensive for modern gear. I can get 1.5 analogue synths for that much. I even have, like Diametro, the Jupiter 6 and 8 but the 8 is in the shop 75% fixed.

[peglegjoe857]

I usually watch the prices of EVERYTHING but lately I have eased up and only watch a handful of things... JP-8 JP-6 and MKS-80... All the Oberheim stuff.. but mostly the Xpanders.. Arp Odyssey's. that's about it these days!

All except the Xpander have gone up in price lately!

It was always a wonder to me... why an MKS-80 would go for so much more than a JP-6 (MUCH MUCH more with the MPG) but as of late the JP-6 has decided to match the price of the MKS-80 and thensome.

It appears as though people find the value of a multi-mode filter to surpass that of velocity, 8 voices, a bass boost circuit, and full midi implementation.. (me being one of these individuals!).

But it was hard for me... when I had the 2 grand saved I made plans to buy my JP-6.. I was used to them going for 1200 and sometimes a little less... so I got my money... put my first bid down... it jumped to 1300+shipping and I lost. so I waited and put my next bid down and that one went for 1700... I was MAD. I thought "At this price I can begin to consider the Xpander..." but then I saw mine on craigs for 900 and haven't looked back since!

JP-6 for 2000 sure, I will buy that... I would say it is worth much MORE than a Prophet 08 and a Prophet 08 GOES FOR MORE THAN THAT! But even so, I liked it better when they went for less 6 months ago.

And I like the MKS-80 more now, seeing it stay the same price (a little over a grand for the rack alone). WORTH IT!

And Dave Smith needs to hurry up and get over this DCO thing he is on right now and make a REAL MANS SYNTH already!

Alesis have that up on him.. and that's just the beginning!

Yeah, I can't see myself buying a "modern analog" machine. I just don't trust modern technology, I don't.

Originally Posted by lain2097

You're after my heart! Yep I totally agree. The A6 does not grab me though but the original Nord lead does.



You're right in that JP-6s are on the rise! Yes I'm guilty of checking on ebay prices now and again of my gear. True that the A6 and JP6 couldn't be more different.

You know almost every single demo I've heard from the A6 is like some ambient stuff or simply pads. Never hard, full, cutting chords or heavy de tuned leads. Probably just the owners' style the is the cause.

Which is probably why in my head I equate the A6 with ambient guys?

Still I find the A6 expensive for modern gear. I can get 1.5 analogue synths for that much. I even have, like Diametro, the Jupiter 6 and 8 but the 8 is in the shop 75% fixed.

[clusterchord]

Originally Posted by peglegjoe857

Have you guys been watching the Jupiter's go lately?!? GEE WHIZ!

I think two went for JUST under 2 grand, and the rest WELL over.

What happened to JP-6's going for 1200??? I remember there was a point this summer when they went for that much CONSISTENTLY. .

it's because you have been starting all these Jupiter 6 love threads recently.

now i have to pay more if i want a Jup6, juuuuust because you couldn't keep it under the lid, and now everyone, and their mother, and aunt Mildred, want one. ..





can't really blame you, cause some other chaps over here, me included, are probably just as guilty for some other synth boards raising in demand. making demos, and yappin all the time how great they are. ... we shouldn't underestimate how many ppl read these forums..

instead, we should all just learn to collectivelly SHUT UP.

[kreeper_6]

I think it has more to do with the eBay supply being decimated thanks to Craigslist. I've begged many people to list their items on ebay and I get the good old "Local Only". Well, sorry I don't live in your dirty ass city!

[GYang]

Originally Posted by peglegjoe857

Have you guys been watching the Jupiter's go lately?!? GEE WHIZ!

I think two went for JUST under 2 grand, and the rest WELL over.

What happened to JP-6's going for 1200??? I remember there was a point this summer when they went for that much CONSISTENTLY.

And I felt BLESSED getting mine for 900... and I am THOROUGHLY satisfied that I didnt WAIT to get it.

So seeing how much the JP-6 goes for now makes the ANDRO/JP-6 thing VERY difficult.

Neither A6 nor JP6 are my big favs, but I have lot of sympathy for A6 and it's great thing that such synth exists.
I owned JP6 and MPH80 several time and always ended up selling them. It didn't happen with Andromeda (although it is not loved more than vintage Rolands).
It didn't happen with Xpander, too.
Given the choice between JP6 and fresh A6 as only synth or very limited collection synth, choosing A6 is practically no brainer independently on prices and collector's BS, similar is Xpander vs. A6 (although I appreciate it very much).
Again, JP6 is good vintage synth, but far from spectacular to get so much emphasis in the world of analogue synths, specially reflected in asking prices of some sellers in 2,5 k range.

[lhm1138]

If people would talk more about production techniques and less about how great ____ is, the prices would still be high because everyone assumes analog is better (which isn't true, I've heard some assy analogs before) but not as inflated as they are.

Just get what you can afford.

[kilon]

Originally Posted by golden beers

do i want an aston martin db6 or a bmw m3?

What the hell is an M3 ????

[peglegjoe857]

I only started ONE Jupiter 6 thread... and it was more one of the "what the JP-6 sounds like to my ears... and what has been said don't exactly match up" kinds of things.

I was just always so confused by the MKS-80 love VS JP-6 hate stuff.

Juno love, SH-101 love... but no JP-6 love? what's the deal?

well now I am seeing JP-6 love.. in the way of $$$$ on ebay.

I mean, I will agree for miles that it don't sound like a JP-8... thank god it doesn't! Else everybody would have loved them YEARS ago and I would be up shit creek stuck with my Akai AX-80 and probably a Juno-60 again... 2 grand between my legs waiting for an Xpander to come up for a good price somewhere...

Originally Posted by clusterchord

it's because you have been starting all these Jupiter 6 love threads recently.

now i have to pay more if i want a Jup6, juuuuust because you couldn't keep it under the lid, and now everyone, and their mother, and aunt Mildred, want one. ..





can't really blame you, cause some other chaps over here, me included, are probably just as guilty for some other synth boards raising in demand. making demos, and yappin all the time how great they are. ... we shouldn't underestimate how many ppl read these forums..

instead, we should all just learn to collectivelly SHUT UP.

[clusterchord]

Joe, hope you do understand i was joking, right ?

Originally Posted by kilon

What the hell is an M3 ????

a sport on-steroids version of series 3 coupe. more horsepower, slight changes to the design, wider chasis, better brakes etc.. looks deadliner, sexier etc.

i have a previous ver coupe, and was just checking out its M version cousin parked next to me, while i was on service. wheeeew, i need to start making more money.. phukin gorgeous..


here's the old one, that i actually prefer. that they just stopped production of.



here's the new one that came out just recently:

[peglegjoe857]

Of course I understand! Gearslutz is ALL ONE BIG JOKE!

But of course a joke that contains a moral.. and that moral pertains to synth tone!

Originally Posted by clusterchord

Joe, hope you do understand i was joking, right ?





a sport on-steroids version of series 3 coupe. more horsepower, slight changes to the design, wider chasis, better brakes etc.. looks deadliner, sexier etc.

i have a previous ver coupe, and was just checking out its M version cousin parked next to me, while i was on service. wheeeew, i need to start making more money.. phukin gorgeous..


here's the old one, that i actually prefer. that they just stopped production of.



here's the new one that came out just recently:

[kpatz]

Originally Posted by OurDarkness

What annoys me a little about the SEM filter is that there must be a weird thing going about the resonance... (snip) I don't know if the original SEM behaved this way.

I just acquired OP-X and its resonance "knob" behaves the same way.

So, since OP-X emulates the OB-X, which has SEM-based filters, it's probably safe to assume that the SEM resonance knob works the same way. I guess we need someone with a SEM to verify for certain.

[OurDarkness]

Originally Posted by kpatz

I just acquired OP-X and its resonance "knob" behaves the same way.

So, since OP-X emulates the OB-X, which has SEM-based filters, it's probably safe to assume that the SEM resonance knob works the same way. I guess we need someone with a SEM to verify for certain.

Thanks for commenting on this. I guess Alesis must have done a good job then!

[Jauqq]

Originally Posted by lain2097

You know almost every single demo I've heard from the A6 is like some ambient stuff or simply pads. Never hard, full, cutting chords or heavy de tuned leads. Probably just the owners' style the is the cause.

Which is probably why in my head I equate the A6 with ambient guys?

Some 80's OBXa pads ala Andromeda..

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