Sonic core Modular 4

[gentleclockdivid]

It's not physical midi , but virtual midi from the host ( renoise ) to the scope platform.
Hence , I am not a programmer but 'taktik 'is ( renoise developer ) he even got a pulsar card from creamware to verify the problems ...( read the thread)
On the midi side of things ,renoise does it quit well sending it to hardware , there just seems to be a problem when there are 'dsp based cards ' involved that are able to receive midi to their hardware accelerated plugins ( like scope )
If only I get the oppurtunity to check this all out on my set up ...probably never
I am sure 'scope' works perfectly with others people set up/ hosts ...but I wanna be 101 perc. sure before shelling out cash .

[Mr Arkadin]

Originally Posted by gentleclockdivid

It's not physical midi , but virtual midi from the host ( renoise ) to the scope platform.
Hence , I am not a programmer but 'taktik 'is ( renoise developer ) he even got a pulsar card from creamware to verify the problems ...( read the thread)
On the midi side of things ,renoise does it quit well sending it to hardware , there just seems to be a problem when there are 'dsp based cards ' involved that are able to receive midi to their hardware accelerated plugins ( like scope )

I read the thread, not only did he say he didn't really have time to check it but it was a Pulsar 1. It may make no difference, but the lowest latency on that was 13ms, not sure if that would affect the MIDI timing.

Anyway I still say that MIDI is MIDI and should work even if it means Renoise has some other MIDI option added. I mean Scope is essentially hardware so I don't see how he can't get it to work. I've not heard of this problem in any other host, so you decide where the problem is.

[teamsterjim]

Originally Posted by Captain Proton

I did have a creamware dsp card and really liked the Mini moog emulation... but was a pain in the bum being locked to their soundcard for audio.

Was not impressed with the Prodyssey Hardware, looks nice and great interface, but I think people should leave the emulations alone until they sound at least close to the real thing.

Modular looks nice, but pricey.

Modular IV ARP Odyssey Emulation with an added AHD EG Loop Envelope instead of the AR in the original.
Ihad the Prodyssey Klangbox and agreed it sounded lame compared to Modular IV. Below is the all familiar 2 OscSync from the original ARP w/ slight RingMod. LFO controlled PMod on the SawSync Osc. very slight but audible.

http://forums.planetz.com/download/file.php?id=7303

[tribeofenki]

This thing is on my wish-list from years...

I just argue that all those 3rd party plugs make this beast even bigger.

What about Flexor? All those patches can work as the modules in Reaktor?

[cramseur]

Okay, another question...

How much power do you really need to use scope?

Would a 14 DSP card be enough to run a few synths and a few effects?

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by i604

This thing is on my wish-list from years...

I just argue that all those 3rd party plugs make this beast even bigger.

What about Flexor? All those patches can work as the modules in Reaktor?

The 3 pv modules really make it fun.Not sure what you mean with "like in reaktor".
There are well over 500 modules for it.

[MonoBrow]

Originally Posted by cramseur

Okay, another question...

How much power do you really need to use scope?

Would a 14 DSP card be enough to run a few synths and a few effects?

Yes.14 dsps are good to start.I have 2x14 now and i am really happy with what i get out of it.Several synths with 2 to 6 voices-a couple of the bigger verbs-comps-special fx-filters and still room for more poly when needed.I am not sure if i need a third now.
You can get a 14 dsp card for 450€ to 600€ depending on plugin bundles with the card.

Edit: 14 dsp cards almost always have the 4.5 software registered which allows for a free v5 upgrade.Otherwise the 4.0 to 5 upgrade is 198€.

[Doktorfuture]

The XITE-1 is enough for hundreds of modular modules (maybe across a few modular instances). I have many synths, fx, modulars, synths, mixers running. Their next release will have even better optimization I'm sure.

Really cool system.

Originally Posted by cramseur

Okay, another question...

How much power do you really need to use scope?

Would a 14 DSP card be enough to run a few synths and a few effects?

[tribeofenki]

Not like scope, but still useful - modules for reaktor.

[valis]

Scope modular has its own sets of additional modules. Some of them are simple applications of existing bits commonly used elsewhere in Scope that the SDK exposes, combined in interesting ways to make useful tools. Others extend the functionality of Scope Mod into areas that have potential to make a Nord Mod blush (like Flexor with its audiorate modulation.)

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[siriusbliss]

Originally Posted by i604

This thing is on my wish-list from years...

What about Flexor? All those patches can work as the modules in Reaktor?

No.
These modules are for Modular 2,3,4 in Scope platform only.

Greg

[siriusbliss]

Originally Posted by cramseur

Okay, another question...

How much power do you really need to use scope?

Would a 14 DSP card be enough to run a few synths and a few effects?

Yes, 14DSP's is a good start.
You also get all the mixers and routing capabilities with the Scope system.

Greg

[siriusbliss]

Originally Posted by Doktorfuture

The XITE-1 is enough for hundreds of modular modules (maybe across a few modular instances). I have many synths, fx, modulars, synths, mixers running. Their next release will have even better optimization I'm sure.

Really cool system.

Xite is awesome.

I've tested building a big project with 1 each of Mod 2,3,4, Prophet 5, Solaris, several mastering effects and in-channel inserts and still have headroom for two different mixers.

Greg

[valis]

Lucky

[siriusbliss]

Originally Posted by valis

Lucky

Maybe.

Greg

[gentleclockdivid]

one more question , besides the cpu load in xite 1 , how many midi channels does it have .
In other words , can I load up like 16 different scope instruments (each having their own midi channel ) or more or less ???
Also about the modular , can I use modules from modular 1,2,3, .,4 and flexor at the same time ...Or do you have to stick with the version numbers .?
Main reason for acquiring a, xite 1 is for the modular , I already own a nord modular and reaktor , but the sonic core modular +adern expansion looks great

[teamsterjim]

Lets also remember that Scope Modular has audio inputs. These can accept audio from Expert Sleepers Silentway Suite so a DAW like Reaper can send 24bit audiorate modulation which makes Modular really sound like an Analog Hardware synth instead of the cheezy 0-128 PC MIDI modulations.
You'll notice that when your start using Envelopes and LFO's for realtime Filter sweeps, the Portamento and Unison features of the Modular IV MVC Module can make each Oscillator have sperate glide amounts like old Analog hardware.
It's just the shiz if you can't afford a real Modular. Plus with virtual Modulars the sheer amount of modules just can't be realized with Analog hardware. For example the realtime Tape Delay would cost a few hundred in hardware, and lack the precision control of digital. With Scopes Modular you get both.

Wait till you gig opposite of a guy using a DAW and VSTi's with an RME card. You'll punish him effortlessly, and buy a dozen bottles of Old Spice After Shave.
That way when you slip out the door with his girl, you can toss him one like the sailors do in the commercial....

[Doktorfuture]

Originally Posted by gentleclockdivid

one more question , besides the cpu load in xite 1 , how many midi channels does it have .
In other words , can I load up like 16 different scope instruments (each having their own midi channel ) or more or less ???
Also about the modular , can I use modules from modular 1,2,3, .,4 and flexor at the same time ...Or do you have to stick with the version numbers .?
Main reason for acquiring a, xite 1 is for the modular , I already own a nord modular and reaktor , but the sonic core modular +adern expansion looks great

You can load more. You can have multiple midi devices, physical and virtual. You can load up many synths, many modulars, etc... You can do midi splits and send one midi stream to multiple synths too. It really is amazingly cool.

You can use modules from earlier modular versions for the most part. They all seem to just work. In my modular window I've got the Adern Flexor and Modular 3 and Modular 2 etc... and other modules I've downloaded from forums.

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[MonoBrow]

Just edited the First Picture link.It got messed up.With 14 dsp cards being dead cheap now...there isnt a better time to get on the Plattform imo.Try it out and if you want more and want pci-e or Express cards...go xite or xite 1-d

Oh and Pci or the newer xites have 64 Bit drivers.(for close to a year) So every scope card from 1998 till now is supported under w7 64 bit.

[teamsterjim]

I have used the XITE-1 and Solaris together live, and once the laptop is ready for Kontakt templates ( 32GBs ) I will have the most powerful mobile system around.
All realtime audiorate modulation too, not the Microsoft synth zipper thing.
14 old DSP's is a great start, but in all honesty, I wouldn;t waste my time with 32bit PCI audio and ancient converters.
It's an amazing card and value and the sound is good, but the XITE-d and flagship XITE-1 will last like an ancient hardware sequencer or sampler. Real gear, really well desgined and built, and sounds great.
The best part about it is how it's designed for performers by using audiorate modulation, realtime parameter control.
Otherwise, you could just get VSTi stuff with cool pictures and do dancy/prancy stuff with a sequencer.

[bluegreengold]

Originally Posted by teamsterjim

Otherwise, you could just get VSTi stuff with cool pictures and do dancy/prancy stuff with a sequencer.

[boon]

Originally Posted by teamsterjim

Otherwise, you could just get VSTi stuff with cool pictures and do dancy/prancy stuff with a sequencer.