4000$ on synth's

[OurDarkness]

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

...specifically an Eventide H7000 or better.

There is no such thing as an Eventide H7000. It's either a DSP7000 or an H7600.

[GYang]

Originally Posted by Fidgit

to give the discussion a new, a bit provokative twist:
how about the solaris from john bowen? $3899.-, shipping early 2010 and definitely one of the most impressive units on the market (according to the specs AND to the people who actually worked with it hands on).

Isn't that just digital emulator with nice interface?
It would hardly compete even with DSI Polyevolver IMO in terms of sound.

[Fidgit]

It would hardly compete even with DSI Polyevolver IMO in terms of sound.

well, we'll see.
there are guys around who had the opportunity to put their hands on a prototype of a solaris (incl myself) and the general concensus of all who actually used it is: it's a really impressive synth! another ballpark than a PEK you mentioned.

the general concensus of those who didn't: it's digital and therefore bad and too expensive anyway.

i guess it's up to each individual person to judge the pros and cons.

[Reptil]

I've been looking for a SE CODE or Omega, but having missed out twice on a good deal, I decided to go into 5u format modular (next to my eurorack stuff).

For psi trance check out this 8 osc. monster
there's also a 16 osc. module.

MATRIXSYNTH: MOTM E340 Cloud Generator demos

[ChristianRock]

If you already have a Blofeld and a DP/4 laying around, fun things to add to it would be:

Radikal Technologies Spectralis 2 - $2,000 (groove machine/sampler with analog filters!)
Used Access Virus C - $800
New Moog Little Phatty Stage Edition II - $1,100

You'd still have $100 to spend on cables to hook them up... and it would make a killer live setup without the use of a computer.

Except that for what I do, I'd substitute the Virus C for an Alesis Fusion, but that's because I do different stuff and need the keys.

[Hi PHi]

Originally Posted by ChristianRock

If you already have a Blofeld and a DP/4 laying around, fun things to add to it would be:

Radikal Technologies Spectralis 2 - $2,000 (groove machine/sampler with analog filters!)
Used Access Virus C - $800
New Moog Little Phatty Stage Edition II - $1,100

You'd still have $100 to spend on cables to hook them up... and it would make a killer live setup without the use of a computer.

Except that for what I do, I'd substitute the Virus C for an Alesis Fusion, but that's because I do different stuff and need the keys.

^^^This would be a great mobile rig, too: with the Spectrails 2 you get a sequencer, a sampler, a drum machine, a filterbank and a Virus-y sounding synth. Add a Lil' Phatty and you have your keyboard, another filter, and an analog mono synth. I don't think you'd really need the Virus-C with the Spectralis 2 (plus you have a Blofeld, which would integrate well). I think this is a great, unique suggestion.

If it were me, I'd get the Spectralis 2, a Future Retro XS, and some controllers. Done and Done.

[murphythecat87]

Okay, i just got an eventide dsp 4000.

Now, im interested in the andy A6, but im wondering does a ti snow (mainly use as a plugin) and a moog voyager rack would do the job?

[droolmaster0]

Really not interested in these debates about how to spend $ because the answer is really so subjective....

But I always get annoyed when people jump in with comments implying that people who don't like particular synths just don't know how to use them. I've run into some very knowledgeable people who just didn't bond with the a6 or the omega.

Personally, I don't like the a6 interface. logical, sure, but the whole thing just doesn't feel very organic to me as an instrument. Soundwise - very good, but I don't think that it compares with the Sunsyn (which I somewhat regret selling), or even the Omega. I think that the Omega sounds much better, but I just didn't think that it modulated that interestingly - hard to articulate. For somewhat static sounds, I think it sounds great.

but I mostly enjoy modular synths these days - not a big fan of analog polys.

But please allow for the fact that not everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, though I certainly may be.

Originally Posted by SovietSpaceChild

I have both an Omega and an A6. Soundwise, they are pretty different. While the Andromeda has a very wet and "saturated" sound right out of the box, the Omega is a lot more "raw" sounding. That's not to say that there isn't some overlap between the two units, but there are definitely niches that each one excels at.

I find that most of the negative comments that I see about the Andromeda are from users who either have no idea how to program the thing and/or those who expect it to be something that it is not. I would expect these very same people to say much the same about the Omega had they purchased one of those instead.

Again, I would like to reiterate my suggestion that you spend your $4000 on an Andromeda and an outboard FX unit, specifically an Eventide H7000 or better. In your case, I'm ignoring issues relating to timbre, as they are strictly a matter a taste, and recommending the Andromeda over the Omega simply because the Andromeda is more programmable. You will have a wider palette of sounds at your disposal, which will come in pretty handy for both of the genres that you've mentioned. The A6 has no problems doing face-ripping supersaw leads, nor does it have any problems with producing some very warm pads and thick basses. As you grow as a musician, and branch out to other genres, you will be able to take the Andromeda in even more directions, many of which are unforeseen to you now.

The FX unit will come in handy for giving your sound more depth, and a more "professional" sheen. I'm not sure how much experience you have with music production, but the FX you use to treat your synths are every bit as important, if not more so, than the synths you push through them. I'm specifically recommending Eventide because their units are, in my opinion, the ultimate in compromise between sound quality and programability.

[droolmaster0]

Hey, CR, have you ever actually used a spectralis? Can't recall specifically, but I don't think so. Anyone who recommends a spectralis should warn about the user interface. Lots of people wind up selling their Speckies, and it's generally not because of the sound, which is stellar...

and you might find a good deal on one, but the generally sell for $2,499.

and in general - why do people RECOMMEND stuff that they themselves haven't used?

Originally Posted by ChristianRock

If you already have a Blofeld and a DP/4 laying around, fun things to add to it would be:

Radikal Technologies Spectralis 2 - $2,000 (groove machine/sampler with analog filters!)
Used Access Virus C - $800
New Moog Little Phatty Stage Edition II - $1,100

You'd still have $100 to spend on cables to hook them up... and it would make a killer live setup without the use of a computer.

Except that for what I do, I'd substitute the Virus C for an Alesis Fusion, but that's because I do different stuff and need the keys.

[murphythecat87]

so an omega 2 voice could an option as good as the A6??? I do psychadelic and idm style of music

[droolmaster0]

Originally Posted by murphythecat87

so an omega 2 voice could an option as good as the A6??? I do psychadelic and idm style of music

Ultimately I don't think that someone can answer that for you. You might greatly prefer the sound of one over the other. Do you like to modulate sounds over time? the a6 has one of the best modulation setups of any hardware synth. The Omega's isn't nearly as strong.

[rids]

Wow, this is really as opened ended as a topic as you could get, especially when posting here. You can get a lot of synth for 4Gs. I would do your homework with all the suggested synth here and any others your interested in. Listen to clips online. If you're new to synths you might not recognize the sound quality from one to the next. Most synths listed will give you lots of satisfaction. However, you want to have a interface you are comfortable with, so if one interface appeals to you more you should lean towards that synth.

You'll only be happy if the interface invites you to play and the sound invites you to keep coming back.

[murphythecat87]

Originally Posted by rids

Wow, this is really as opened ended as a topic as you could get, especially when posting here. You can get a lot of synth for 4Gs. I would do your homework with all the suggested synth here and any others your interested in. Listen to clips online. If you're new to synths you might not recognize the sound quality from one to the next. Most synths listed will give you lots of satisfaction. However, you want to have a interface you are comfortable with, so if one interface appeals to you more you should lean towards that synth.

You'll only be happy if the interface invites you to play and the sound invites you to keep coming back.

fine, so the only way ill know, is when ill be able to play with it
but, since i want the biggest possibility, with only one synth, the A6 is quite the best option (people seems to say that). and i'm better off with an andromeda(because its sound really amazing), then 1 juno, 1 snow, and one used polyevolver?
The thing is, in one year, ill probably be able to pay for 1 snow, but i will not be able to buy myself a A6 (if i spend my 4000$), so im better off starting with a big "classic" and then add complementary synth after, then the contrary?
and im really still a beginner(only 6 month of experience) so its all presomptions.

[CHEEZYBEATS]

Originally Posted by murphythecat87

Okay, i just got an eventide dsp 4000.

Now, im interested in the andy A6, but im wondering does a ti snow (mainly use as a plugin) and a moog voyager rack would do the job?

Why didn't anybody answer that question? I dont know, but I would sure like to know myself.

[Entrainer]

Do what job?

They all do a job, not sure about the job.

If I had "all" the plugins... (legally)
and had $4000 to spend,

I would get a Ebbe und Flut for those poly softsynths to
warm them up a bit.

And a FRXS + Little Phatty for analog monosynths.

[Yoozer]

Originally Posted by CHEEZYBEATS

Why didn't anybody answer that question? I dont know, but I would sure like to know myself.

It's a bit of a silly comparison. Apples vs oranges and all that.

[EddieTheRed]

For 4K i'd definitely be looking at a nice versatile analogue poly with a big sounding analog mono (Moog etc) and something like a Virus, too.

Top end of your budget, but you could do ANYTHING.

Except percussion, I guess. ****. Add an 808!

haha, back to the drawing board . . .

[CJ1973]

I have an SE1X for Analog Bass and some lead. You can pick up a great condition SE1X for about $1200 on Ebay. Obviously the SE1X has banks of sounds and room for creating your own and saving those. Great value. For me, it doesnt have color say as a Minimoog, but its so nasty!!
That leaves you $2800. For that, you could buy a fantastic condition Xpander and Juno 106. For analog, these are fairly reliable. Juno is usually an easy fix too. Since you dont want to have any repair issues through college, I think you may be safe with these. An Omega 4 voice would be great but obviously you are limited to that 1 unit. I also have an OB8 and that is fantastic too and different to the Xpander. So I could recommend this too, but the filter options on the Xpander are great. My next purchase is going to perhaps be a Jupiter 8 (just because!) and for a great poly with fast envelopes. That I think would really complete my set up but I am not really short for sounds. Some cool VST instruments sit nicely (and sometimes on top of the real analog to give it a modern flava) so don't count your VST's out...!!

[murphythecat87]

okay thanks, i'm thinking about the se1x a lot! But, im getting the andromeda and the ti snow and i just got the eventide, thats comes to 4000$!
Soon, i'll have a 1000 +- to spend, my option are the se1x or the ms-20.
But, i'm not totally sure about the ti snow tough...

[d1rtynyc]

My 2c...
Please get the TI instead of a Virus C.
You will have so many more sound options with the new updates and the "total intergration" is really a great thing. I cannot recommend getting the TI instead enough. You won't regret it.

[raid]

If you're producing psytrance you should probably have an SH-101 in your arsenal

[murphythecat87]

Originally Posted by raid

If you're producing psytrance you should probably have an SH-101 in your arsenal

I know, and an ms-20.

However, i feel like the sh-101 is not really exciting, and that a vst or a lot of them can acheive what an sh-101 does: i'm I wrong?

[dlmorley]

I've had my Prophet 5 for getting on for 20 years. Still not bored with it. Lovely organic sounds and it can get weird too.
If you can find one for a good price ($2500 or so) then you could also grab an ARP odyssey for say $1500 and have a superb pair of instruments that will also be money in the bank (and before people mention servicing, my odyssey hasn't needed servicing in the 15 years I've had it and my P5 just went for it's first ever service (the tech said it had never been opened)
I have used both of these on countless recordings and have always found them to be inspirational.
Having said that, the ARP 2600 is the one synth that has had the most use, but these days for $4000 it's going to be hard to find one alas.
So, I would buy a Prophet 5 and an Odyssey in your position, but I'm me and you are you!