Resetting LFO cycle at loop point with a hardware sequencer

[HUBA]

Hello

Are there hardware sequencers that will allow for a clocked LFO in my Virus TI to either:

Follow the riff, so that for instance with a one bar riff, the LFO will repeat with the riff, sounding the same with each 1 bar repetition as in Live

or: Resetting its cycle at the loop point,like with the sequencer in Reason?

In Reason, the LFO will, with any clocked rate, sound exactly the same with each reset at loop point. However it wont hold its sync when say a 1 bar riff is copied into two identical bars in a 2 bar loop. The different copies of the bar will sound different, but each individual 1 bar copy will sound the same each time it's played through.

In Live, running Virus Control, the LFO's sync quite well to say a 1 bar riff. Seems any LFO clock rate (at or below 1/1) resets its cycle at each 1 bar repetition regardless of how many bars the loop is. No Trigger Phase, Key Trigger or Envelope Mode used. Nice. Not as perfect as with the loop thing in Reason though.

Haven't tried with Live running as a sequencer without Virus Control, as I don't have MIDI ports on my laptop.

With the Command Station as sequencer, a clocked LFO on my Virus wont sound the same over time in any way it seems. Each repetition sounds very different. Not Nice. Envelope Mode and Trigger Phase makes the LFO's settle more, but it's not the same.

Is this how all hardware sequencers will behave when running external equipment or are there sequencers that will allow for the LFOs to behave as in Reason or Live by sending loop point messages or something? Thinking maybe the sequencer would have to be in control both before and AFTER the synth to make this possible.. I'm Comfused

[Jarkko]

I guess you mean MIDI clock? Just about any sequencer can do it, but not all synths can sync the LFO to MIDI clock. Dunno about Virus, but it should be able to do it.

[HUBA]

Originally Posted by Jarkko

I guess you mean MIDI clock? Just about any sequencer can do it, but not all synths can sync the LFO to MIDI clock. Dunno about Virus, but it should be able to do it.

No I don't mean MIDI clock. I want the MIDI clocked LFO to reset its cycle at a specific point. When just being synced to tempo, it oscillates infinitely instead of sounding the same with each repeated bar when sequencing with the Command Station.

[Jarkko]

Originally Posted by HUBA

No I don't mean MIDI clock. I want the MIDI clocked LFO to reset its cycle at a specific point. When just being synced to tempo, it oscillates infinitely instead of sounding the same with each repeated bar when sequencing with the Command Station.

Ok, sorry about being too hasty... But then again, I don't see what else could sequencer do. Maybe send some specific MIDI control if the synth supports the cycle reset that way?

[HUBA]

Originally Posted by Jarkko

Ok, sorry about being too hasty... But then again, I don't see what else could sequencer do. Maybe send some specific MIDI control if the synth supports the cycle reset that way?

Yeah me neither. Thinking about whether sysex messages could work, but I have no knowledge about sysex, and the question is maybe whether the TI supports any cycle reset anyway, as you say.

I posted this here too:
Vintage Synth Explorer • View topic - Resetting LFO cycle at loop point with a hardware sequencer
Some other views there to concider.

I found an unofficial Access Virus Forum too, where I posted this, but no answers so far
Resetting LFO cycle at loop point with a hardware sequencer - The Unofficial Access Virus & Virus TI Forum - since 2002

Thanks for the interest btw

[HUBA]

Originally Posted by Jarkko

Ok, sorry about being too hasty... But then again, I don't see what else could sequencer do. Maybe send some specific MIDI control if the synth supports the cycle reset that way?

Yeah me neither. Maybe sysex messages might work, but I have no knowledge about sysex. The question might be whether the TI support cycle reset anyway, as you say.

I posted this on vintagesynth too. Some other views there for those who are interested

Thanks for the interest btw

[mildheadwound]

Set your virus to sync with an external midi clock, (vs. it's internal), and lfo 1 or 2, (3 doesn't have this option), to envelope mode on the lfo, so it triggers to the note. You will probably want to sync your lfo to a set tempo, like 3/4, 4/4 or 1/16 etc, instead of non-sync (1-127). If this don't work, you can always throw the mother~****er out the window. Nah, 'should work.

[HUBA]

Vintage Synth Explorer • View topic - Resetting LFO cycle at loop point with a hardware sequencer

[HUBA]

As I said, I'm not simply trying to sync the Virus to external MIDI clock or trigger the LFO to note. I want the LFO to reset its cycle to loop point or to each bar/measure.

It would be nice if someone with experience with sysex could comment on whether this could be possible by sending sysex messages from the Command Station to the Virus. There are some aditional views in the thread I linked to if anyone would care to help

[HUBA]

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