voyager vs arturia minimoog v

soultrane · 12th August 2009

so i was looking for a little programming inspiration for my voyager, and it occurred to me there was some cool patches on the arturia minimoog v, and it might be fun to program them on the voyager and see what little programming tips i could pick up.

first, i actually liked the sound of the v... i've always liked it, found it to be kind of warm compared to many soft synths... at 96khz, it is really good, and takes up alot of juice on my arcane system.

at any rate, you can't really program the sounds to match too scientifically, since the controls are different and the voyager has a few things that the old minimoog didn't have...

and the settings are different... so, what you have to do, i think, is not a 1:1 comparison, in which case, depending on the patch parameters, the software might come out ahead, but listen to the software patch and then tweak the hardware, going for the "essence" of the patch.

when you do that, i'm sorry to say guys, the voyager destroys the soft synth.

and, alot of it, i'm sure, has to do with the performance parameters. one reason i could never get on totally with the se1, which is a great sounding unit, is because i had a cheap m audio keyboard plugged into it.

but with the moog, the keys react very well to the synth, and you can really set the glide and the attack to get just the kind of butter between the notes that you want...

all that said... if you're looking to layer some moog sounds into your track... pads, arps, etc... the minimoog v, especially with nice converters, run through outboard, and run at 96khz, is quite nice for the price!!!

666 · 12th August 2009

I have a Model D and yes, the plug in isn't in the same ball park, but you'd hope not after buying the real synth, otherwise the plug in would cost thousands... It's more the hands on usability that's the difference, the nature of how you treat it musically is fundementally different. The sound comes after that.

Eric J · 12th August 2009

A much closer emulation of the Minimoog Model D is G-Force Minimonsta. While, it certainly doesn't compare to the hardware, its much, much closer than Arturia Minimoog V.

DJRossfader · 13th August 2009

This is what you want!!

Creamware Minimax ASB

Spectral Climax · 13th August 2009

Minimonsta does the job very well and its not ultra-limited like the original Minimoog...Personally i would use it everyday over a hardware Mini without worries about the more "balls" of the original...The point is more inside the production and not so at the individual instruments.

edit:having a simple physical interface like that of a Minimoog helps very much, but..you can always get a high end midi controller for much less money...

soultrane · 17th August 2009

of all the minimoog emus out there, i probably like minimonsta the best... but i find it sounding the LEAST like a moog. its crazy, though, with all the wild fx and everything.

and, spectral climax, what are you using for a midi controller? i have been so disappointed with controllers, especially as a keyboard player.

all of the new controllers look like and feel like junk to me... even novation, which, at the time of the supernova 2, made the best feeling keyboard out there...

Spectral Climax · 17th August 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by soultrane

of all the minimoog emus out there, i probably like minimonsta the best... but i find it sounding the LEAST like a moog. its crazy, though, with all the wild fx and everything.

and, spectral climax, what are you using for a midi controller? i have been so disappointed with controllers, especially as a keyboard player.

all of the new controllers look like and feel like junk to me... even novation, which, at the time of the supernova 2, made the best feeling keyboard out there...

Well, i'm not a keyboard player, so i don't know what exactly a keyboard player needs..but I'm very happy with an m-audio Axiom 49 !..(totally better than any novation in this price range IMO)...I don't use it for virtuoso keyboard solos...just some simple chords and mainly for triggering events / recording automations etc..Personally i'm after build quality on midi controllers/keyboards and i believe that for $$$ m-audio Axioms are #1, my second choice could be an edirol PCR keyboard controller, or an AKAI mpk. I believe that Novation has the technology but their construction sucks..reminds me a little the first CME keyboards... I'm also planning to buy a Behringer BCR-2000 or BCF-2000..they are both ultra durable, highly programmable and cheap!...

For more money, i wouldn't buy an all in one keyboard controller... if you need a good performance keyboard only, you better look for a "more specialized" clavia stage with on board synth engines etc..or something in that price range.

also Mackie C4 seems very good for the price with all that info on the on board screens and Kenton stuff rocks but they don't have keyboards...

OurDarkness · 17th August 2009

I use the Arturia Minimoog V too. I don't believe in all this TAE emulation - to be honest I think it's marketing crap, but I do like the sound of the Minimoog V.

As a matter of fact I have managed to coax some excellent sounds from it and wanted to recreate them on the Voyager. There is one particular sound that I wanted to use live, as soon as I do a little detuning it sounds awesome. On the Voyager it's not possible to do it live, you detune it say +2 and it's already too much. I have bugged Moog and Amos suggested a solution but it can't be used live because the Voyager has a system that prevents *accidental* detuning. I was interested in the in-between detunings and suggested a Shift+Osc functionality to Moog - who knows maybe they will do it in a future OS. The other alternative is to use the Voyager editor but who wants to mess with such an editor in a live performance...

Spectral Climax · 17th August 2009

Arturia's Minimoog V does sound good on some patches but not so close to a Minimoog..Minimonsta is much better for me and can easily be compared with a Voyager. They are not exactly the same but, as far as i don't need the physical A Class interface of a Voyager, i can live better and easier with a Minimonsta..(saving some money for more unique stuff..afterall everybody has a Minimoog or a Minimoog clone nowadays).

Captain Proton · 17th August 2009

All of the Auturia synths sound the same, I mean listen to the oscilators from all of the synths on their own. Even the filters sound the same.

Play your hardware moog at a really high note then the lowest note with the filter wide open....then compare to the software doing thesame...ouch.

space2012 · 17th August 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJRossfader

This is what you want!!

Creamware Minimax ASB

+1.
soniccore emulations are much better,

the Arturia minimoog filters are crap
the Gforce filters are OK, but Arturia waveforms are better,

the gforce "always sound the same", no matther how you tweak
thats dissapointing, i hate that.

most arturia synths sound like crap, the only that for me, is better than the original is the Aruria cs80v
all others are crap, jupiter, arp2600, the moogmodular isnt bad, but the Cs80V is amazing, for me is better than the original.

mac black · 17th August 2009

I love the V, its arturia's best for me, mid you, i haven't checked out the CS80.
If you want to compare it to the original, you need a great converter (Prism ADA8XR or DA-2 etc.) ... I never bothered comparing it.

duvalle · 17th August 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac black

If you want to compare it to the original, you need a great converter (Prism ADA8XR or DA-2 etc.) ... I never bothered comparing it.

sorry, but you don't need high end to converter to compare them.
rme will do fine to hear what the voyager can do compared to software.

imho the arturia is not even close to the sound of the voyager.
but that does not mean that the arturia sounds bad, it just sounds different.
if you only need some "moogish" sound in a mix the arturia will do ok.
but if you want that special moog sound you will not get it from arturia ...

Spectral Climax · 17th August 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by duvalle

if you only need some "moogish" sound in a mix the arturia will do ok.
but if you want that special moog sound you will not get it from arturia ...

I really feel that people must stop worrying about having that "special moog sound" there are so many other special synths out there...software and hardware...there are many colours in nature..you don't have to live in black and white...

soultrane · 24th August 2009

i agree that the arturias i've heard sound kind of same-ish... but that doesn't mean they're not useful synths... i kind of like the 2600v... it sounds absolutely NOTHING like a 2600, but its kind of a warm sounding synth with alot of cool programming via the sequencer.

as for comparing the hardware moog with the software, yeah, you can do theortical stuff like setting the resonance on the highest setting and comparing the two... but, who cares about that? who would do that in a track?

i'm very glad i have a voyager.... but, i don't hate the minimoog v...

if anything, the arturia is a great tutorial on how to program a moog!!! (i wish they'd do that for an andromeda!!!)

17th August 2009	#8
OurDarkness Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece Posts: 2,656	I use the Arturia Minimoog V too. I don't believe in all this TAE emulation - to be honest I think it's marketing crap, but I do like the sound of the Minimoog V. As a matter of fact I have managed to coax some excellent sounds from it and wanted to recreate them on the Voyager. There is one particular sound that I wanted to use live, as soon as I do a little detuning it sounds awesome. On the Voyager it's not possible to do it live, you detune it say +2 and it's already too much. I have bugged Moog and Amos suggested a solution but it can't be used live because the Voyager has a system that prevents accidental detuning. I was interested in the in-between detunings and suggested a Shift+Osc functionality to Moog - who knows maybe they will do it in a future OS. The other alternative is to use the Voyager editor but who wants to mess with such an editor in a live performance... __________________ Render Thoughts Visible

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mac black Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 2,787 2 Reviews written	I love the V, its arturia's best for me, mid you, i haven't checked out the CS80. If you want to compare it to the original, you need a great converter (Prism ADA8XR or DA-2 etc.) ... I never bothered comparing it. __________________ "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil" ... - Thomas Mann

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12th August 2009	#1
soultrane Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,707 Thread Starter	voyager vs arturia minimoog v so i was looking for a little programming inspiration for my voyager, and it occurred to me there was some cool patches on the arturia minimoog v, and it might be fun to program them on the voyager and see what little programming tips i could pick up. first, i actually liked the sound of the v... i've always liked it, found it to be kind of warm compared to many soft synths... at 96khz, it is really good, and takes up alot of juice on my arcane system. at any rate, you can't really program the sounds to match too scientifically, since the controls are different and the voyager has a few things that the old minimoog didn't have... and the settings are different... so, what you have to do, i think, is not a 1:1 comparison, in which case, depending on the patch parameters, the software might come out ahead, but listen to the software patch and then tweak the hardware, going for the "essence" of the patch. when you do that, i'm sorry to say guys, the voyager destroys the soft synth. and, alot of it, i'm sure, has to do with the performance parameters. one reason i could never get on totally with the se1, which is a great sounding unit, is because i had a cheap m audio keyboard plugged into it. but with the moog, the keys react very well to the synth, and you can really set the glide and the attack to get just the kind of butter between the notes that you want... all that said... if you're looking to layer some moog sounds into your track... pads, arps, etc... the minimoog v, especially with nice converters, run through outboard, and run at 96khz, is quite nice for the price!!!

12th August 2009	#2
666 Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 382	I have a Model D and yes, the plug in isn't in the same ball park, but you'd hope not after buying the real synth, otherwise the plug in would cost thousands... It's more the hands on usability that's the difference, the nature of how you treat it musically is fundementally different. The sound comes after that.

12th August 2009	#3
Eric J Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 736	A much closer emulation of the Minimoog Model D is G-Force Minimonsta. While, it certainly doesn't compare to the hardware, its much, much closer than Arturia Minimoog V.

13th August 2009	#4
DJRossfader Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: England Posts: 27	This is what you want!! Creamware Minimax ASB

13th August 2009	#5
Spectral Climax Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,441	Minimonsta does the job very well and its not ultra-limited like the original Minimoog...Personally i would use it everyday over a hardware Mini without worries about the more "balls" of the original...The point is more inside the production and not so at the individual instruments. edit:having a simple physical interface like that of a Minimoog helps very much, but..you can always get a high end midi controller for much less money...

17th August 2009	#10
Captain Proton Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 947	All of the Auturia synths sound the same, I mean listen to the oscilators from all of the synths on their own. Even the filters sound the same. Play your hardware moog at a really high note then the lowest note with the filter wide open....then compare to the software doing thesame...ouch.

24th August 2009	#15
soultrane Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,707 Thread Starter	i agree that the arturias i've heard sound kind of same-ish... but that doesn't mean they're not useful synths... i kind of like the 2600v... it sounds absolutely NOTHING like a 2600, but its kind of a warm sounding synth with alot of cool programming via the sequencer. as for comparing the hardware moog with the software, yeah, you can do theortical stuff like setting the resonance on the highest setting and comparing the two... but, who cares about that? who would do that in a track? i'm very glad i have a voyager.... but, i don't hate the minimoog v... if anything, the arturia is a great tutorial on how to program a moog!!! (i wish they'd do that for an andromeda!!!)