1st June 2009
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#1 | | Gear nut
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Thread Starter | Royksopp - "Vision One" Sound ??
Song is "Vision One" from their new "Junior"Album.What Synth or ? did they use and How did they get that sound? Settings? I've never heard that sound done that well and controlled..
The sound I'm asking about is obvious.Starts 45 seconds in...I don't know what to call it.He's turning knobs to control the twisting /creeking corkscrew sound possibly 2 knobs at once.Would like to get close to that sound.
I have a Little Phatty,a MG-1,Juno 106 and Evolver to work with.I'm close to it but no cigar...Thanks,JD YouTube - Royksopp - Vision One |
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1st June 2009
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#2 | | Gear Head
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I don't know what is being used for certain, but you can hear that the synth bass line in question is doubling a bass guitar.
The bass synth is using a saw-tooth wave which is why it sounds a bit "sharp and buzzy". The filter effect doesn't sound like the standard cutoff/ resonance filtering (maybe resonance, but the cutoff isn't really changing much if at all).
The bass synth also kind of sounds voice like, which could be from the filtering/ flange effect, but its also very possible that the bass synth is being used with a vocoder. Maybe the bass guitar is being fed into the vocoder with a synth track? The filtering sounds more like filters found in a vocoder.
Before you try and over complicate matters, start simple and go from there. Start with the saw tooth waveform bass synth and then apply different effects. I don't know how experienced you are with vocoders, but I suggest experimenting with one if possible, you can get all kinds of crazy results with one.
Oh - the ASDR filters on the bass synth have also been tweaked to give that pulsing sound you are hearing.
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1st June 2009
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#3 | | Gear maniac
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Check out the european edition of Future Music, this number features an interview with Röyksopp. They are hardware lovers, and use three MS-20 synths for instance, one which is really detuned, but sounds charming in their point of view. Might be it!?
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2nd June 2009
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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Try phasing and/or flanging on the osc(s) in front of the filter! Add a hefty dose of classy distortion somewhere in the chain, possibly in front of filter, and it should be in the ballpark. The glassy sound of the distortion somehow makes me think digital - but that may be wrong. This may all be wrong. Haven't tried.. |
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2nd June 2009
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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The effect on this song you are looking for is a sine wave processed though a digital distortion or wave shaper distortion similar to liniear FM effects. After hearing the track again, I easily recreated this sound using my Virus TI, using a 303 type preset with a little tweaking, adding digital distortion from the effects section, knob twisting the cutoff and gave me that flange effect. Hope this helps!
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2nd June 2009
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#6 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by 3Crystals Song is "Vision One" from their new "Junior"Album.What Synth or ? did they use and How did they get that sound? Settings? I've never heard that sound done that well and controlled..
The sound I'm asking about is obvious.Starts 45 seconds in...I don't know what to call it.He's turning knobs to control the twisting /creeking corkscrew sound possibly 2 knobs at once.Would like to get close to that sound.
I have a Little Phatty,a MG-1,Juno 106 and Evolver to work with.I'm close to it but no cigar...Thanks,JD YouTube - Royksopp - Vision One | Haven't even heard the album, but from your description possibly ring modulation, or a comb filter.
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27th October 2011
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by JCM123 you silly guys. all you need is a bit of Stevie Wonder  | You do, if you want to know the source of the bass pattern, but the OP is asking for the TIMBRE of the bass used in that Royksop song. Kind of different, don't you think?
As for that sound:
most likely a sawtooth > distortion> band pass filter with independent cutoff points, very sharp resonance. These are the main ingredients. The trick is to find a sweet spot with those cutoff points.
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27th October 2011
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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27th October 2011
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#10 | | Lives for gear
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This is literally one of the extreme few songs I'd thought about asking about myself.
All I want is that ratcheting/corkscrew effect, I can get the totality of the bass timbre itself with little issue but I don't know what's being turned/automated to get that wratchet.
Initially I was positive it was just an LFO rate change but could never nail it. Then I was thinking it was put through a sampler and simply had the playback rate changed, but its not that either.
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27th October 2011
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#11 | | Gear nut
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Wasn't there a Virus preset that's very close to this sound?
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27th October 2011
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#12 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by justjoo Wasn't there a Virus preset that's very close to this sound? | Not just close, it's the same.
I think it's called "Riptide", if memory is correct.
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27th October 2011
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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What bank / which virus?
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28th October 2011
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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Initially I was positive it was just an LFO rate change but could never nail it.
| I thought it might be something like that but if they have 3 MS-20s, I wonder could you create it by one MS-20 modulating the signal from another MS-20?
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1st November 2011
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#15 | | Gear maniac
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1st November 2011
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| Good find!
I feel a sudden urge to go play with my MS-20 |
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2nd November 2011
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#17 | | Gear interested
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Finally got to audition "Riptide" from the old Virus TI ROM (two places, C-089, I-087 -- a Howard Scarr patch) on my TI2.
Ok, this is really close to the basic sound, good. However, the modulation is not there. Like others, I'm not seeing how to do that. It does seem like a couple of params at least are being manipulated.
Closer, but still so far away!!
The KCRW find is great! MS-20s seem to be the real solution!
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30th November 2011
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#19 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by dswtan Finally got to audition "Riptide" from the old Virus TI ROM (two places, C-089, I-087 -- a Howard Scarr patch) on my TI2.
Ok, this is really close to the basic sound, good. However, the modulation is not there. Like others, I'm not seeing how to do that. | It sounds to me like it's just being run through a phaser or similar effect.
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30th November 2011
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#20 | | Gear interested
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| One Vision sound
...several hours later. I just pulled this off with a vocoder + ms-20 triggered by voice. The rez high pass + rez low pass at high db that the ms-20 gives, seals the deal. With good speakers you can get that "this is as low as I can make my voice go" creaky sound. Another tip: go slow and tight on the knobs, this sound is all about small increments.
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30th November 2011
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#21 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by georgereagan ...several hours later. I just pulled this off with a vocoder + ms-20 triggered by voice. The rez high pass + rez low pass at high db that the ms-20 gives, seals the deal. With good speakers you can get that "this is as low as I can make my voice go" creaky sound. Another tip: go slow and tight on the knobs, this sound is all about small increments. | Um, post a sample of what you got, I highly doubt its this sound.
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11th December 2011
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#22 | | Gear maniac
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Yeah what he said ^ do you have a sample? Would be interesting. Quote:
Originally Posted by georgereagan ...several hours later. I just pulled this off with a vocoder + ms-20 triggered by voice. The rez high pass + rez low pass at high db that the ms-20 gives, seals the deal. With good speakers you can get that "this is as low as I can make my voice go" creaky sound. Another tip: go slow and tight on the knobs, this sound is all about small increments. | |
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15th December 2011
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#23 | | Gear maniac
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I too love this sound. I came across a preset in Sylenth1 that I took apart. I didn't get the exact same sound, and I didn't get the modulation part down, but I got a similar sound using the mentioned distortion (Foldback distortion on max in sylenth), 2 seperate PWM waves, a notch filter, with very high resonance (Anything above the halfway mark).
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15th December 2011
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#24 | | Goat of Gear
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First of all, I love that video. Classic stuff.
But I don't know how everyone has settled on the MS20 as the culprit. They have two banks of synths, there was clearly a few other makes/models present notably a Moog, and they don't really show who is playing what at what time.
And there is what looks like a Boss guitar pedal in the video that he tweaks a couple of times. It's silver. He's also constantly playing with the knobs of a mixer too. Who knows what he's got looped into that mixer?
Anyway, with all of that, I don't know how you decide it's one thing or another? But I like that sound and I too would love to know how they do it!
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15th December 2011
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#25 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by TitusRaindrops But I don't know how everyone has settled on the MS20 as the culprit. | It sounds like one!
I've playing around with my MS-20 recently and I got an awful lot of hints of that sound. Haven't been able to replicate it quite yet The basic sound is quite simple but the modulation is another story! I've got some more ideas to try tough...
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15th December 2011
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#26 | | Gear interested
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Im pretty sure that sound is a preset from a free vsti. I seem to remember a discussion on kvr about it. Maeby you can dig it out of the archives by searching for "vision one". Happy hunting |
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28th August 2012
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#27 | | Gear interested
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What about the synth starting around 3:32? Can anyone tell me what that is?
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28th August 2012
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#28 | | Lives for gear
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With a bit of tweaking, I can get something similar. Not exact but similar
I think the movement within the sound is either a flanger, phaser, or some combination of both.
Definitely sounds like some distortion / bitcrushing as well. I bet an OTO Biscuit would get you there.
Here is something I programmed using a Virus TI Snow. Again...it is close, but not exact.
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31st August 2012
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#29 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by jtg05f What about the synth starting around 3:32? Can anyone tell me what that is? | Don't know but it sounds like there's bucket loads of oscillator sync involved.
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31st August 2012
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This is a complete bugger of a patch to reproduce. You can get hints of it in various ways but I'm beginning to suspect it's actually 2 synths, or perhaps one MS-20 and an external LFO.
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