oberheim obmx price?

[pazmusik]

What would a stock OBmx, with just the two factory voice cards installed, run? Assume excellent cosmetic condition.

Cheers,
paz

[RobJB06]

not much cos it sounds like shit dfegad

[W-W-Int]

if you have to ask you can't afford it

seriously though it will cost you quite a bit in excellent cosmetic shape. the condition is more of a factor than the voice card count. as long as it has 2 voices it should run upwards of $1500 in excellent cosmetic condition. beat up with 4-6 it would cost the same.

[rids]

Originally Posted by W-W-Int

if you have to ask you can't afford it

seriously though it will cost you quite a bit in excellent cosmetic shape. the condition is more of a factor than the voice card count. as long as it has 2 voices it should run upwards of $1500 in excellent cosmetic condition. beat up with 4-6 it would cost the same.

I don't know where you get this from. A 2 Voice OBMX doesn't cost that much, about half that is more realistic. I think the last 2 Voice OBMX I saw go that sold went for around $750. That was in November. More voices will be more money, sure, but not a 2 voice. And now that the economy is crap, those things aren't worth that much anyways. Anything above $800 is overpaying.

[Beermaster]

Horrible Sound, Horrible Design, Really Horrible Build Quality

A Horrible Synth !

Not Rare, Not Unique and Not Oberheim.

List price when they first came out in the early 90's was 1400 for a two voice. ( Vastly overpriced - when each additional two voice card was 800 )

I've seen four voice versions go for 700 ( why anyone would want one is beyond me tho ! )

Beer

[slowmusic]

Funny, people describe the obmx as sounding terrible but all the samples I've heard of this little beast sound great.

Is there anything particular about the sound you didn't like? Slow envelopes? Poor tuning?

Originally Posted by Beermaster

Horrible Sound, Horrible Design, Really Horrible Build Quality

A Horrible Synth !

Not Rare, Not Unique and Not Oberheim.

List price when they first came out in the early 90's was 1400 for a two voice. ( Vastly overpriced - when each additional two voice card was 800 )

I've seen four voice versions go for 700 ( why anyone would want one is beyond me tho ! )

Beer

[W-W-Int]

wow talk about lisdexia...
i saw ob-mx and translated it to ob-xa...

no the ob-mx is worth around the $600-800 point with 2 voices. condition has nothing to do with it sorry, it's just a rack. thought he was talking about the old keyboard xa for some reason...tutt

with the minimum voice count the ob-mx is not gonna cost a lot.
it's still a great synth, people get so up in arms cause it has the obie name on it and was advertised as the "obermoog". it doesn't sound like an ob-x/ob-8 or minimoog. it sounds like what it is, something in between with stable oscs and a mod matrix. think matrix 1000 with better envelopes and knobs all over it.

[RobJB06]

Slow envelopes.
Glitchy poor resolution on the digital side.
Weak filters.
Lame oscillators. (CEM 3374 VCO chip is now also impossible to find used)
Unrealiable.
Sounded thin and weedy.. hmmm anything else?

Looked great though!

Originally Posted by slowmusic

Funny, people describe the obmx as sounding terrible but all the samples I've heard of this little beast sound great.

Is there anything particular about the sound you didn't like? Slow envelopes? Poor tuning?

[slowmusic]

ya, there is one selling locally near me with 2 voice board for $1800. Seems like its way off in the way of price. Oh well.

[RobJB06]

Andromeda would be a much better option imo
Or if you want an Oberheim, get an Xpander or OB8

[Just]

Another vote here from the "don't buy it" angle.... unless it's one of the rare Buchla prototypes (which, unlike the Viscount production model, apparently *did* sound good).

[Popbott]

A buddy of mine bought an OB-Mx with six voices for $600 about a year ago. Yes, the presets were terrible, but once he got into programming it began to take on a life of it's own with some incredibly unique sounds. Those that don't like the OB-Mx should consider taking some programming lessons. Take that Beermaster! stike Mmuuuaaaah-hahahahaaa!!! No, no! It's the killer Modular! Run!!! AAgghhhhhh......(get's eaten)

[LNerell]

Originally Posted by Just

Another vote here from the "don't buy it" angle.... unless it's one of the rare Buchla prototypes (which, unlike the Viscount production model, apparently *did* sound good).

Viscount had nothing to do with the OBMx. My guess is you are confusing the OBMx with the OB12. And I am also pretty sure the prototypes that are floating around are pre-Buchla. The final released OBMx is a Buchla design, it says so on the box and in the manual.

And to those who think it sucks, I beg to differ, but please keep it up as I might want to pick up another one dirt cheap some day.

[W-W-Int]

yeah i don't get the hate for the mx. you look it up on the net and it gets terrible reviews. yet anyone with one loves the sound. i had a friend that had one and it sounded fine to me. very deep basses, nice mod matrix, basically a matrix 1000 on steroids sound wise and while the envelopes aren't the fastest they are lightyears ahead of the matrix 1000's.

i just don't get the hate for it.
or the andromeda, sure it's ugly but it isn't what it looks like that matters but what it sounds like.

just because someone puts "moog filter" on the brocure people hate it when it doesn't do lucky man i guess. for $600-800 it's a bargain in analog synths.

[Just]

Originally Posted by LNerell

Viscount had nothing to do with the OBMx. My guess is you are confusing the OBMx with the OB12. And I am also pretty sure the prototypes that are floating around are pre-Buchla. The final released OBMx is a Buchla design, it says so on the box and in the manual.

Ooops, my mistake, I meant Gibson, that other highly reputable synth specialist

I really should stop believing what I read on Matrixsynth (although I did try an OBMx once.... and wan't impressed).

No denying the machine has some history, yes Buchla design (partly).... however the link between design and manufacture appears to have been an issue. Interesting read though:
Beware The Technohick Takeover/p. 1

[Beermaster]

There are many stories from various sources that concur that the original first two machines were utterly different to the final production models - These original two were sent to the reviewers for various magazines - Thus the glowing review in Sound On SOund - which I based my decision to buy from new before trying ! ! ! - Arghhhhh.

Bare in mind that at that time a Matrix 1000 was retailing at £300 and is a six voice machine in a 1 u space - the OBMX was £1400 - for a two voice and £3,000 for a six voice - you can see that you could have had a MONSTER 10 x M1000s stacked up as a 60 Voice Uber Mega synth for the same price - ( each individual one sounding 100 times better than the MX )

[analoGTheory]

Originally Posted by Popbott

A buddy of mine bought an OB-Mx with six voices for $600 about a year ago. Yes, the presets were terrible, but once he got into programming it began to take on a life of it's own with some incredibly unique sounds. Those that don't like the OB-Mx should consider taking some programming lessons. Take that Beermaster! stike Mmuuuaaaah-hahahahaaa!!! No, no! It's the killer Modular! Run!!! AAgghhhhhh......(get's eaten)

+1
out of the preset (some preset are nice) this is a big monster..
Someone says that it sounds thin.. who has programmed it???
try to work with program it in AL: unison,or Repeat mode,dose the VCA amount for each fileter and the final MIX, programs the waves seriously...later we discuss on it's sound.
however some of them have an a little stable intonation, you just tune it different times with Tune buttom..when it's "..cold"
It can sounds "Alive"and very deep, also try it in chorus mode...
to make comparisons is impossible,but I prefer it to OBXA and six voice than only Two..
it's unique and stately

[RobJB06]

Man.. some of you fellas need to pull those cotton buds out
Hahahahhaaaahhhaaaa ... just kidding! ...

[NYMo]

Hi there,

I own a 5 voice OBMX (don't ask!) and although the filters are a bit weak , its got modulation options in spades and some nice tricks with voice assignment too.
Have a listen to the vers 2 patches..some are very analoggy and ballsy.
YMMV

Cheers

N
Y
M
O

[Popbott]

Originally Posted by RobJB06

Man.. some of you fellas need to pull those cotton buds out
Hahahahhaaaahhhaaaa ... just kidding! ...

LOl!!

Dude, I just came from my friend's house last night who has an OB-Mx six voice. He is such a great programmer, he made some awesome patches on his Mx that blew me away! Animated, analog sweetness. Pointed out that it was in part made by Buchla. We put it up against an Omega he just got in and I was floored how good an Mx can sound. Again, the presets are not so good, but programming this nasty white devil is just plain evil. I want one. I got the right figure on how much he paid, it was $500 last year.

[gearshopz]

I'm not sure where folks like RobJB06 and Beermaster got their opinions, but I doubt they're from personal experience. There's a lot of misinformation and misguided criticism of the OB-Mx on the Web. It appears to be one of the most maligned synths ever made despite being an absolute monster. I've owned and logged hundreds of hours on my Oberheim Matrix-12, Four-Voice, Two-Voice, and OB-1, and my 12-voice OB-Mx is probably the most versatile and best-sounding instrument of the whole bunch. It's very deep, operates flawlessly, and is very well constructed. It's extremely intuitive to program, the factory patches are great, and like my 70-year-old Gibson acoustic, I intend to play it the rest of my life. If you can find one at anything close to the prices some people are quoting here, don't hesitate to buy it immediately!

[rids]

It can sound good no doubt, so can a lot of synths if you program it right. The older Oberheims have a lot more balls than this though. It basically comes down to how you use it. It's not an analog sounding machine, it sounds more like a digital hybrid.

[gearshopz]

Originally Posted by rids

It can sound good no doubt, so can a lot of synths if you program it right. The older Oberheims have a lot more balls than this though. It basically comes down to how you use it. It's not an analog sounding machine, it sounds more like a digital hybrid.

I hate to disagree, rids, but I must. Its entire voice path is completely analog, so there's no way it could sound like a hybrid. Besides, if it were a hybrid, it wouldn't need to warm up so long before its tuning stabilized. I'm playing it right now, and it has that rich, warm analog goodness that old Oberheims are revered for. Does your OB-Mx sound that much different than mine?

[rids]

Once you get into the modulations and really start messing with it, the sound strays away from sounding analog, it doesn't hold up and retain that analog tone. You can definitely program analog tones, but we'll agree to disagree on how warm it sounds. An OB-1 is way more raw than this.

[Coyoteous]

My friend and partner Richard Bugg did the original design with a guy (whose name escapes me now) that I believe used to work at Sequential. There were at least two functioning prototypes, one of which I think is still with NIN or maybe Charlie Clouser. I believe this one was Richard's. There was another up for auction sometime back. Below are some pictures from the auction. The handwriting is Richard's. I want to interview him about the prototypes sometime, but he is very busy with his position at Level Control Systems (now a division of Meyer).

[Beermaster]

At Last some proof that the Prototypes do exist and are not the same as the models that went into final protduction ! !

[soundsubs]

Hmmmm. i always wondered how many NIN prototypes existed. One was on ebay about a year ago and the guy was going to try to reverse engineer a new board for them but im not sure where he got.

i do know that the original prototypes NIN had were significantly different to the ones that made it to the field.
i had a two voice, which i loved and never had any problems with. it was mean and nasty sounding (not bad) and was reliable. maybe i got lucky.


i would love to hear more from Mr Bugg if you get a chance Coyoteous!

[LNerell]

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

My friend and partner Richard Bugg did the original design with a guy (whose name escapes me now) that I believe used to work at Sequential.

The original design actually started at Oberheim ECC before they went under. It started off as an idea for a one space rack mount mono synth with moog and SEM filters, around the time the Moog patent expired. At some point after Gibson acquired Oberheim it got a bad case of featuritis.

Yes their are a couple of prototypes around, I have seen them with my own eyes. I have seen the NIN one and I saw one (may have been the same one) at the Gibson booth at the winter NAMM show a couple of years before they finally released it. What I remember most about that prototype was how it was presented. It was stuck in a meeting room in the back of their booth with nothing mentioning where it was, and all the literature they had on the OBMx was in Japanese, nothing in English. My guess is Gibson were hoping to get a Japanese firm to buy Oberheim and the OBMx from them.

[Coyoteous]

I don't know if we're agreeing or disagreeing, but the OberMoog filter module was Richard's idea that actually came out of discussions he and I had, and that he subsequently had with others. And yes, that escalated into the MX.

I know of only 2 functioning prototypes. The NIN one is or was Richard's. He loaned it to them when they were set up in the Tate mansion. Also, another friend of mine, Mark Tindle who worked at A&M at the time, did a lot of tech for them at that location.

I believe the other one belonged to the ex-Sequential guy who's name I can't remember, and that may be the #1 unit in the auction shots. I think the NIN/Bugg unit was #2. Anyway, that's what I know and/or recollect. I'll try to get with Mr. Bugg after the Messe.

[Coyoteous]

I think Jim Letts is who I trying to remember... he was an Xpander/M12 developer at Oberheim - don't know where I got the Sequential reference... maybe he was there before, or not at all.