Inspirational headphones ?

[tonevision]

I'm already using a Beyerdynamic 770 and is everything I need for mixing music . But is too flat . Bass response ? Not so much...

What would u suggest for a pair of bass response headphones ? (for the electronic artist and not for the sound engineer )

cheers

[aeonsound]

i love my Sennheiser HD650s... the bass is fabulous. you really feel it, ya know? like you get a physical sense of bass presence, the kind of thing headphones usually lack.

however, they are so detailed, so revealing and so lovely that lots of electronic music sounds awful through them... the good stuff sounds fantastic though!

[RobbyAnalog]

Hmm, from what I remember, most people think the 770's have a lot of bass (maybe too much). You might want to think about getting a nice headphone amp w/ bass boost.

I suggest checking out the headphone forum at headfi.

[alexp]

I love my Grado RS2's


alexP

[Feinstrom]

Beyerdynamic DT 770 have a WICKED bass boost which almost makes them unusable for mixing!
If you boost that bass any further you might (you WILL!) seriously damage your hearing, if you haven't already.

Cheers,
Bert

[Delta Heavy]

Audio Technica ATH-M50s

[tonevision]

Originally Posted by RobbyAnalog

Hmm, from what I remember, most people think the 770's have a lot of bass (maybe too much). You might want to think about getting a nice headphone amp w/ bass boost.

I suggest checking out the headphone forum at headfi.

770 has not so much bass at all . I have also 880 and is like a phone speaker...
I can't feel the kick and bass using beyerdynamic , probably is too flat . Like my monitors .

I would need more dynamic , more free .

[grantlandau]

770's are pretty honest and keep a lot of the high frequencies at bay so you don't go deaf after a while, get a good headphone pre. the bass IMO is big but sounds open and clear, not hyped.. what are the other recommendations?

(btw 770's have a very negotiable price w/ audio dealers, they are a profit bomb )

[tonevision]

Originally Posted by RobbyAnalog

Hmm, from what I remember, most people think the 770's have a lot of bass (maybe too much). You might want to think about getting a nice headphone amp w/ bass boost.

I suggest checking out the headphone forum at headfi.

Thx for link but It's not about hi-fi , it's about feeling . I'm looking for a non-flat pair of headphones probably , beyerdynamic's kick and bass is for mixing flat , nothing else... ZERO FEELING with amp or not .

[RobbyAnalog]

The link is to a forum where almost all they talk about is headphones, pretty sure they could lead you to the right pair of cans... Just don't hang around there too long or your wallet will suffer. ( This forum in particular)

[tonevision]

Originally Posted by RobbyAnalog

The link is to a forum where almost all they talk about is headphones, pretty sure they could lead you to the right pair of cans... Just don't hang around there too long or your wallet will suffer. ( This forum in particular)

are u deaf ? )

[W-W-Int]

ummmmmm

quantify what you are looking for with "feeling" in a technical audio term that relates to audio reproduction and maybe he won't be deaf anymore. fuuck

he suggested to go to a forum that is about headphones and ask those more knowledgable and passionate about headphones what they feel are good cans. hi-fi vs. studio is meaningless when it comes to headphones as there is no such thing as a difference like genelec or dynaudio vs. pioneer in regards to studio flat response vs. home audio use.

headphones are headphones and are so not up to the task of flat monitoring due to the huge difference in how they work vs. loudspeakers and listening enviornment. you monitor on flat response monitors to hear exactly what's there in the context of loudspeakers interacting with the air between themsleves and your ears. and to be able to accuratly judge defects in your production or mastering that someone at home with better than average loudspeakers might hear. headphones are only good for composition as they cannot and will not let you know what the final result will be in a loudspeaker enviornment, flat or crap home audio. there is no real "studio monitor" headphone equivalent. just better or worse accuracy on a very large and fine grained scale.

if you are simply looking for boomy bass response sennheiser and sony headphones typically have that in abundance. beyerdynamic and akg are typically more neutral as far as bass is concerned. audio technica is split 50/50 down their product line to either side. grado is a good mid and high but typically lack level bass response to those mids and highs.

headphones are not ideal sound reproducers as the proximity to the ear and small size preclude them from being able to do both low bass frequencies and accurate highs unless they are driven at extreme volume levels which would make you go deaf in a short period of time.

"the laws of physics don't bend to outrageous advertiser claims" (psb speakers' ad tagline for their massive airspace 20 HZ capable subwoofer in regards to bose speakers' tiny sub, but it fits here). no headphone is 20-20k neutral without blowing out your eardrums.

focus on what you want from the headphones more accurate all around with the extreme lows and highs rolled off or more bass at the expense of balance to the mids and highs or more mids and highs with sacrifices at the low end.

[jamie10]

SENNHEISER

HD218
£40
19 TO 21 HZ

HD228
£50
18 TO 22 HZ
soft cushoning

HD238
£70
16 TO 23 HZ


which one shall i go with?
i just wanna enjoy the sound, NOT flat sounding....good bass.....for making music also....

[Reptil]

HD-25 -13 (600 Ohm version)

[jamie10]

Originally Posted by Reptil

HD-25 -13 (600 Ohm version)

i cant find these.
how much are they?

theres so many diff hd25 things

i dont need a headphone amp to i? some people are talking about this.....

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by RobbyAnalog

The link is to a forum where almost all they talk about is headphones, pretty sure they could lead you to the right pair of cans... Just don't hang around there too long or your wallet will suffer. ( This forum in particular)

LOL!

Originally Posted by Head Hifi Org Guide

4. Don’t take things personally. If I don’t like a particular headphone or amp, I just don’t like it, and I’ll be happy to answer questions as to why. It’s not a personal attack.

IME it helps sometimes to what the audiophiles are doing (and why). But they have a totally different set of expectations often.
anyhow thanks for the link

my wallet will suffer regardless. that is it's function in existence. (I'LL MAKE IT PAY!)

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by jamie10

i cant find these.
how much are they?

theres so many diff hd25 things

i dont need a headphone amp to i? some people are talking about this.....

here's a pair
Sennheiser HD-25 13 MK2 hoofdtelefoon koptelefoon - J&H Licht en Geluid
it's a discontinued model so it seems
Sennheiser HD 25-13 - DV247.COM
but that doesn't matter much, the other versions (HD-25-1 (70 Ohm)) will also do fine (have two pairs of those plus one HD-25-13)
the HD-25 was first developed for drummers
Sennheiser HD25 - DV247.COM

my Sony MDR-V900 HD are going in the other direction: a dip in the low end, and extra highs. good for female singers and checking reverb.
After my AKG broke I need a neutral pair of headphones again - probably the Beyer 770 - Always wondered about Grado

instead of a dedicated headphone amp get a good monitor controller like this one: SPL monitor control or this Coleman M3PH vs. SPL MTC 2381
if you need to have the artist wear headphones (in the vocal booth for example) - a seperate headphone amp might be handy too. (with attennuators so they can change the volume themselves within a certain range)
cheap alternative = get a long extention cable and run it from the monitor controller thumbsup

+1 on the WARNING - keep the levels low. Your ears will break before this pair of headphones!! (easily!!)

[e6400ultra]

Semi-open: AKG K240S

Closed: Sony MDR-7506

[jamie10]

Originally Posted by Reptil

here's a pair
Sennheiser HD-25 13 MK2 hoofdtelefoon koptelefoon - J&H Licht en Geluid
it's a discontinued model so it seems
Sennheiser HD 25-13 - DV247.COM
but that doesn't matter much, the other versions (HD-25-1 (70 Ohm)) will also do fine (have two pairs of those plus one HD-25-13)
the HD-25 was first developed for drummers

instead of a dedicated headphone amp get a good monitor controller like this one: SPL monitor control
if you need to have the artist wear headphones (in the vocal booth for example) - a seperate headphone amp (with attennuators) might be handy too.

+1 on the WARNING - keep the levels low. Your ears will break before this pair of headphones!! (easily!!)

thanks...but i wanna make sure the specs specifically say that bass response is good. I have studio monitors and there is no bass....im sick of "studio monitor flat sound", its not enjoyable to listen to anything on....

yeah they are discontinued.

what is this ohm spec? should i get a particular ohm figure?

yeah i only listen to music on earphones at low volumes.
HD25 is above £100 i think...thats too much for me...

HD228 £50 im looking at....
I dont wanna mix and i dont even care about spillage...
all i want is good hi fi sound...good bass...comortable....
this is damn hard......

[jamie10]

ear buds? or big cans?

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by jamie10

thanks...but i wanna make sure the specs specifically say that bass response is good. I have studio monitors and there is no bass....im sick of "studio monitor flat sound", its not enjoyable to listen to anything on....

yeah they are discontinued.

what is this ohm spec? should i get a particular ohm figure?

yeah i only listen to music on earphones at low volumes.
HD25 is above £100 i think...thats too much for me...

HD228 £50 im looking at....
I dont wanna mix and i dont even care about spillage...
all i want is good hi fi sound...good bass...comortable....
this is damn hard......

yeah they have plenty of bass. also the other models.
the lower Ohm ones are a bit less deep, but require less powerfull amps to drive them.
Sennheiser HD 25-SP II Closed Dynamic Headphones - DV247.COM

I scored one of my pairs on ebay for 100 euros in as good as new condition. they rarely/never break and you can get new earpads (and cables etc.)

never used the HD228 - maybe someone has (hint: do a search )

[jamie10]

Originally Posted by Reptil

yeah they have plenty of bass. also the other models.
the lower Ohm ones are a bit less deep, but require less powerfull amps to drive them.
Sennheiser HD 25-SP II Closed Dynamic Headphones - DV247.COM

I scored one of my pairs on ebay for 100 euros in as good as new condition. they rarely/never break and you can get new earpads (and cables etc.)

never used the HD228 - maybe someone has (hint: do a search )

amps? will i not be able to plug cans like these into my ipod...mixer...mbox...? i dont need a sep amp do i????

freq res 30.....16000 Hz.......thats terrible....i want the bass freq below 20
HD25 = studio monitoring = somewhat flat i believe...i dont want taht...i want some NICE bass......i havent heard bass in my bedroom ever.

so ohm is purely about how much power they need to work?? its not to do with sound quality or bass?

i dont trust ebay for electronics like this...

[bakerman]

Audio Technica ATH-M50s +1

[kasprouch]

Originally Posted by jamie10

HD25 = studio monitoring = somewhat flat i believe...i dont want taht...i want some NICE bass......i havent heard bass in my bedroom ever.

if theres one thing sennheisers dont lack, its bass... 2 pairs here and i frigging love em. (one HD-25, and one 25-SP)


for the studio i prefer AKG 701's though - takes some getting used to, but theyre very very good if you're forced to mix through headphones.

[cl516]

RS1i here. very enjoyable listen, no need for loud volume.

[jamie10]

athm50 = too expensive
probably flat too

why do expensive sennheisers lack bass compared to cheap sennheisers?
FLAT SOUND = EXPENSIVE
GOOD GENEARL SOUND AND BASS = CHEAP

RS1 I = £700+? no thanks.

so ohm is purely about how much power they need to work?? its not to do with sound quality or bass?

amps? will i not be able to plug cans like these into my ipod...mixer...mbox...? i dont need a sep amp do i????

[kasprouch]

Originally Posted by jamie10

why do expensive sennheisers lack bass compared to cheap sennheisers?
FLAT SOUND = EXPENSIVE
GOOD GENEARL SOUND AND BASS = CHEAP

you're looking at it the wrong way though - the cheaper Sennheisers are closed back, and the more expensive are open. You automatically lose that crazy bottom bass in exchange for much better spatial definition/airyness when going for open. Open backs are preferred to mix on, whereas closed backs are typically for non-bleed or noisy situations... from the sounds of it though, all you really need is a pair of closed back headphones to get some of this 'no bass' stress out of your system.




Sennheiser HD-25's with a couple of dubstep cd's =

[jamie10]

Originally Posted by kasprouch

you're looking at it the wrong way though - the cheaper Sennheisers are closed back, and the more expensive are open. You automatically lose that crazy bottom bass in exchange for much better spatial definition/airyness when going for open. Open backs are preferred to mix on, whereas closed backs are typically for non-bleed or noisy situations... from the sounds of it though, all you really need is a pair of closed back headphones to get some of this 'no bass' stress out of your system.

Sennheiser HD-25's with a couple of dubstep cd's =

well said.
yeah all the cheaper ones seem to be closed back.
I dont mind open or closed. Spillage is not an issue.
Im just gonna go with the HD228. THey are ipod player friendly too, so i can roll with them when not making music too....

why cans and not earbuds?
cans hurt the ears dont they? big and heavy and sweat the ears over long periods...earbuds are easier to wear....and ive seen some that start at 16hz freq.... are cans generally better sounding or something?

ohm?

[Reptil]

ooooooooooohhhhmmmmmmmmmmm


errm - some big headphones are uncomfortable, try them out if you can.
I've got big floppy ears and the HD-25 fit on them fine. Don't even notice them. no sweat

I don't like ear buds. but that's personal. I don't like anything inside my ear.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by kasprouch

...snip...
Sennheiser HD-25's with a couple of dubstep cd's =