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11th July 2010
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Paul Britschitsch was mentioned in the first post....
AFAIK he still uses the yamaha SU700 on stage only and korg electribe.

I was using the yamaha su700 for several years and if yamaha would not kick loyal su700 customers ass, I still would use the su700 ass.
1. Unfortunately, yamaha decided to kick SU700 users ass and did not provide any OS update. Instead, they decided to launch a new machine (RS700).
2. The build quality of SU700 encoders are horrible. I had to send my "susi" once a year to a repair station in order to replace all knobs.
The su700 is the perfect live machine but Yamaha missed to fix the bugs of the su700.

At the moment I need to laptop only for laptops and the fireface as input for some synths and drum machines.

However, having a laptop on stage always makes me a bit nervous.... My hardware machines never crash...but a laptop... you never know... ;-)
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I'm sure everyone on this forum hates them, but La Roux perform everything live. They even have a drummer playing electronic drums.

Well, I don't hate them!

Personally, this is precisely the kind of synth pop music performance that I'm into. While I have nothing against laptops, pre-sequenced backing tracks, etc. I still prefer a more "band-like" approach, where it's very clear exactly what part each musician is performing.

The debate about what constitutes "live performance" using electronic instruments is endless. In the end I feel each artist has to decide for his or herself just what "live performance" means and how much compromise is necessary to achieve the sound one is after. I would never condemn an artist as talented as say Imogen Heap, for example, for using a laptop on stage. Where else is she going to find ten Imogen clones to back her up?

Thanks for putting up this link. While the song itself is not very inspiring, the performance aspect of it is! Even the out-of-tune vocals are nice to hear!
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I think as long as you're doing something, it doesn't matter how it's done.

That being said, my personal pet peeve is a guy or two using an ultimate stand, a laptop and controller while some unenthusiastic singer walks around stage.

I think it's definitely about the music and the energy you put into the performance.
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all of my synths have microprocessors and therefore are computers.
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I think as long as you're doing something, it doesn't matter how it's done.

That being said, my personal pet peeve is a guy or two using an ultimate stand, a laptop and controller while some unenthusiastic singer walks around stage.

I think it's definitely about the music and the energy you put into the performance.
I agree

I think the jarre approach is a lot more fun to watch

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I'm new around here, and I'll prolly be booed for saying it, I have been thoroughly impressed with the stuff coming out of the laptops. Take Moldover for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2McDeSKiOU


or Bassnectar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eA7Qu7Lz2g


Some people are just DJs, other people are Performers who started out DJing. I use ableton to DJ while I build up a routine of samples, accapellas, and drops that I can gell into a Performance. I guess that's how I see it. There is NO shame in using a laptop on stage in an industry driven by technology. It's the next level. I have mad props for people who tote around cases and cases of old analog gear and make a performance out of it. But if you are using an MPC, you are in the dark ages. You are using a half-assed laptop. not capable of the gamut of manipulation possibilities. I'm sorry, maybe that comes off to harsh, but it is not as if someone is just jumping on stage, pressing a button on a controller, letting the track play, then sliding over a fader.

And this is coming from a rock guitarist as well. I hate digital guitar gear. Sounds cheap. No soul. In my band we played all vintage Tube amps, and our signal path through our pedals never touched a digital circut. And we were revered for having the greatest tone imaginable.

The way i see it, it's a new era. Techno = Technology.

Lets embrace it.
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Haven't seen this thread before...

I play live with a friend of mine (name is slist on here)
We program live but we don't really play instruments like regular musicians.
No IBM-compatibles or Macintoshes for us.
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This whole "your hardware IS a computer in a different casing" argument is splitting hairs. We all KNOW by saying computer we're speaking of laptops or desktops. I personally don't trust a laptop in a humid dusty smoky environment. I've seen so many laptops crash during a performance it's not even funny. And watching some people simply bent over a screen and press some buttons is rather dull and boring. Believe it or not, there ARE still people who do like to see a table full of gear and someone actually doing something with it. I've played out 3 times here in Seattle since moving here, and every time i've gotten nothing but thanks that i didn't play it safe and use a laptop. They LIKE seeing all the gear spread out. So saying the crowd doesn't care what's being used is nonsense. Of course, using a laptop running Ableton in conjunction with hardware is really the best of both worlds. I just can't get into simply using only a laptop.
Yes Acid Hazard, when I go to a show, I want to see a table full of slutty gear. I look at computers all day for work, when I go to a club I want to see GEAR, not someone hunched over a laptop (I've already been doing that all day).
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Pure playback is not performance.
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i'm pretty sure computer monitors do something to the human face that makes it unnatural to watch.

it's like the lcd/crt somehow cause people to get super focused in on them, giving them a zombie like appearance?

so as an audience member it's strange

watch peoples expression sometimes when they read a newspaper vs read a blog

bizarre

anyway...just my $0.02..
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if you cant get people moving; you or your attitude sucks.

if the above statement is false, I often take the stance of saying that if you're going to split hairs and debate about who does what where and with whom, you're better of staying home anyway.
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i'm pretty sure computer monitors do something to the human face that makes it unnatural to watch.
I think that if you have a good controller setup, have practiced well and are actually playing something, there should be very little reason to look at the monitor.

Back in '98 when laptops were still 1k+, there was this elitism that evolved around around those who had them and how they would sit there with the mouse and just sort of click stuff. It just seemed uber geeky somehow like some big performance art where the joke was on the audience.

Those days are over and the same rules that were there before still apply. somewhat if you work hard and develop your music and performance and strive to be professional, you'll be successful.
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I just came across Alexander Kowalski's 909 on German ebay, where he said in the q&a at the bottom that he changed his live-setup to "ableton and two controllers".

Personally, I think it's a sad trend and it makes a lot of (great) artists more generic than it used to be. There's this pic of Paul Brtschitsch being chased by Laptops and Arnaud Rebotini released a wonderful album in 2008 where only hw-synths/drummachines were used.

What are you guys thinking about this? Do you care? To me, it also seems that with the combination of Ableton Live and the hype of "minimal techno" these days, a lot of artist also SOUND alike

Which artists DON'T use computers on stage?
The Bays play completely live - simon and maybe even andy now use a mac as a sound source - but thats about it
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From studio to stage....

So I am thinking about putting together my first live show ( nothing big scale just a few bars and small clubs here in Japan ). My writing style isn't performance based or live in any sense. I like to write piece by piece slowly and deliberately. However, I don't want to be sat on stage with a few buttons to push. I'd like to do something a bit more interesting. Watching people like Tim exile is always inspiring. But it's difficult to grasp the mountain when stood at the base.

So inherently this is a twofold post.
The first part is gear. The less gear the better for live. How do you guys do it? What do you leave behind, what do you add? A laptop and an apc40 vs an mpc etc?

Obviously this is different for every person, so I'm not expecting anyone to comment on my gear but as for you own, it would be interesting to hear how you trim the fat and scale down your set ups for live. What's worked what hasn't?

The second part would be the music. I don't want to have static exact recreations of what I make in the studio, I want rehashes, mixes, deformities and warts and all. So again how do you rehash your old tired sounds for the stage? Do you use stems? Ableton style clips? Midi triggers, live keys etc?
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I've moved towards the MPC, since my Mac Book Pro died (it didn't like coca-cola ). I've got a whole bunch of songs half finished but I'm trying to record, then cut and edit in the DAW, then prepare samples, snippets but also whole loops to feed to my MPC. With two purposes: improve my workflow in the studio and to prepare a live performance parallel to that. There's some non music related work in between but this summer I should make bigger steps.
The MPC has a nice workflow. I try to determine the key (& related pitches) and the tempo before starting the song, or change very early on. My sample library needs organising, and is growing steadily after I neglected it for some time.
I also take my old EMU Command station to jams with friends, it's become a good friend of the MPC, switching, syncing sequences.
IMO a live performance should be continuous and entertaining to avoid it becoming static. Also sounds need to be different, and there should be a progression in the set (to tell a "story").
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I've moved towards the MPC, since my Mac Book Pro died (it didn't like coca-cola ). I've got a whole bunch of songs half finished but I'm trying to record, then cut and edit in the DAW, then prepare samples, snippets but also whole loops to feed to my MPC. With two purposes: improve my workflow in the studio and to prepare a live performance parallel to that. There's some non music related work in between but this summer I should make bigger steps.
The MPC has a nice workflow. I try to determine the key (& related pitches) and the tempo before starting the song, or change very early on.
how do you prepare your songs for the mpc? do you set them up so that you hit one pad to auto play the whole song, or do you trigger melodic loops while drumming live on the other pads, or what?
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The MPC has a nice workflow. I try to determine the key (& related pitches) and the tempo before starting the song, or change very early on. My sample library needs organising, and is growing steadily after I neglected it for some time.
I also take my old EMU Command station to jams with friends, it's become a good friend of the MPC, switching, syncing sequences.
This is relevant to my interests, as I happen to have an MPC1000 and a Command Station, and am thinking of doing a livePA. Could you elaborate on a few points?
  • If I understand correctly, you prepare samples on PC, but sequence directly on the MPC. How convenient is the sequencing? (I realize that this highly depends on the kind of music you make). I currently sequence on PC with Maschine - it's very convenient, but the task of transferring the patterns to MPC seems daunting. It's probably best to just try both methods and see, but I'm still at contemplating stage, and wanted to know your opinion.
  • Do the MPC and the Command Station run independently, or is one controlling the other?
  • Do you use the Command Station's onboard sounds, or only as sequencer?

Be sure to post the music you make with this setup! I'm very curious to hear it.
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Laptop isn't stable, so bring the desktop
That's not following the trend too lol

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A computer is "...an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations."

Perhaps the thread should have been titled differently because electronic instruments are computers.
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A computer is "...an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations."

Perhaps the thread should have been titled differently because electronic instruments are computers.
Now this is just splitting hairs IMHO. Electronic instruments are computers designed for the specific purpose of music making, that's why they are called 'instruments'. When people say 'computer' they usually mean a general-purpose device capable of performing many different tasks depending on software installed on it (browse the web, play games, watch movies, edit documents etc.) I think this distinction is pretty clear to anyone reading this thread, no need to be over-pedantic about terminology.
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Now this is just splitting hairs IMHO.
In Germany we call this "Korinthenkacken". I won't translate that term for fear of being banned...

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I bought an Akai sampler years ago that apparently belonged to some industrial band/artist. The reason I know this is because the person left entire songs on the hard drive. With the press of a single key on a controller, the entire song would play back. I then wondered if that the person was using it live so that they didn't actually have to setup and play instruments, and basically perform a magic show for the audience. The music sounded decent, so don't get me wrong.

Anyways, my point is that many live performances are just magic shows rather than live performances. Coud be lip sync or air guitar; professional or amateur. Either way, just a magic show.
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Now this is just splitting hairs IMHO. Electronic instruments are computers designed for the specific purpose of music making, that's why they are called 'instruments'. When people say 'computer' they usually mean a general-purpose device capable of performing many different tasks depending on software installed on it (browse the web, play games, watch movies, edit documents etc.) I think this distinction is pretty clear to anyone reading this thread, no need to be over-pedantic about terminology.
Just a side-note to those who think they are "computer free", because they aren't.
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In Germany we call this "Korinthenkacken"
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Me, I always play sequences, arpeggiators, pads, bass lines etc... I take an XTK and a Moog always for live performance and occasionally my A6 and Kawai for pianos.

No computers
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On the opposite side to nofi, I´ve using only hardware to play live on stage during the last 15 years, and I´ve never needed a PC or a laptop. And above all, I don´t miss them at all.

Limited sampling RAM memory?? Come on, who needs it? Samples don´t have to take all the heavy charge of a live performance, get two or three of them, no matter the memory limitations..... I can play for at least one hour without pressing stop, using a hardware sampler with 290 seconds of samples. Besides, new gear, comes with huge memory, just think on a Octatrack, or Roland SP series.

Instead looking into a PC/Laptop monitor, I focus my attention on light indicators, blinking pads and tiny screens, wich show just the information I need to know. I barely look at them. A bunch of hardware synths, give you enough work to control and monitor. I love strong physical interaction with my gear, is what keeps me close to them, and focused.

But, most important of all, music is art, each one can built its own path and walk over it. There´s not a supreme true or status quo of how you must do things. Originality is more important than following the way everybody works because is the more "efficient".

I love what comes from an heterogeneous hardware gear. Using very different machines between them, can bring a lot of satisfaction due to the unexpected results.

I have nothing against computers (I´m an IT guy) but I just think, monitors consume a lot of attention, when you could be doing other things. I know synths are computers after all, so, why not use computers dedicated to make music instead just computers?

I use them for edition, sound organization, and and sampling chopping and categorization purposes. But I´ve never used a laptop on stage. Neither a mixer or headphones. I prefer my "arcaic" method, of connecting 5-10 synths with MIDI cables...
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