mopho knobs

spol · 2nd January 2009

I'm hoping that my Yellow Bastard is defected and this is not how all these Mofos work. Basically the knobs are the absolute worst shit I have ever seen on an audio gear, I would describe them slow, low resolution and just plain crap, totally useless for live tweaking and frustrating in the studio. It takes 6 full cycles for the filter cut off to go through the whole freq spectrum, for the rest of the knobs it takes 3 rounds. I know endless knobs aren't supposed to be fun but Mopho's knobs are a Nightmare. I sent an email to DSI back in November and never heard back from them. So far I've been using the editor and a mouse to edit patches but I'd like to know how other Mopho owner's feel about this.

The_Crooked_Man · 2nd January 2009

As far as I know, those are the same encoders that the Poly Evolver uses, and yes, they are insanely unstable. My evolver has knobs that jump about randomly, skip every 5, etc. Good luck. As far as getting ahold of DSI, though, CALL THEM. They're fantastic.

GeorgeHayduke · 14th January 2009

Ok, while the knobs aren't the most solid I've ever come across, I must admit I don't mind the long travels. I would rather have the possibility to fine tune than not. I mean, compared to being able to fine tweak versus making a lightning cut off (which I consider merely a musical sound effect with limited application) I think most prefer precise tweaking. I do, anyway.

atsushi_hoshiai · 14th January 2009

lol@ yellow bastard... We should email Dave to change the name. Really like it..

Man it ain't that crappy.. When I compare the knob response of the Mopho with the ones on my Novation Remote SL25, they are quite the same.
The Mopho also features a acceleration function, though it's not working always working properly.. But this can be improved by an OS-update..

Anyway the sound of the Mopho beats anything else at this size and price..

d1rtynyc · 14th January 2009

Yeah, the knobs are WAY TOO precise for my tastes too.
I guess I was hoping for an analog synth with controls like an analog synth of the past. Real-time tweaking sucks on it except for subtle changes. I find myself relying way too much on the soft editor & automation. I hope that maybe in the future you can modify this.

Strobian · 14th January 2009

Yeah the major downfall of the box, although I don't do many filter sweeps really. I use it for bass and some odd lines really. The knobs are not my favorite, but I think it still works well. Overall its a good unit.

d1rtynyc · 14th January 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsushi_hoshiai

The Mopho also features a acceleration function, though it's not working always working properly.. But this can be improved by an OS-update..

This function should be a "deceleration" funtion for more precise moves while having the standard knobs moves be faster IMO.

GeorgeHayduke · 15th January 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsushi_hoshiai

The Mopho also features a acceleration function...

Really? I haven't seen it. Any hints as to where it is? I agree, certainly, that the possibility to customize is a good thing.

Btw., if you need a quick sweep you could just map it to a any fader-controller you might own.

atsushi_hoshiai · 15th January 2009

When you rotate the knobs quickly, muss less rotations are needed to get through the complete parameter range..
This feature basically works but sometime it kinda hangs.. stike

Phaidon · 16th January 2009

Yeah,total turn-off for me too.
Makes the synth pretty much useless...

pr0gr4m · 16th January 2009

I don't have one but I have a question...

I would imagine that you guys are using the Mopho from a controller keyboard of some sort. If you map knobs from the controller to the Mopho do the controllers knobs inherit the "long-throw or in this case, long-spin" of the knobs on the unit? My guess is no because the controllers knows would send the 128 MIDI steps the same way for everything, regardless of what it wasconnected to...

To say that the knob precision makes the unit "pretty much useless" seems a little much. You are playing it with a controller, why not just control the knob parameters from a controller as well?

I think what they should have done is add a button...if the knob is turned with the button depressed, then it goes into high precision mode. Without the button depressed, 1 rotation should cover the full range.

Phaidon · 17th January 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0gr4m

To say that the knob precision makes the unit "pretty much useless" seems a little much.

Not if I have quite a few other choices!

Introspective · 17th January 2009

The way I see it is:

In a studio setup (like I use my Mopho), just use the software or your sequencer to control parameters. Live tweaks can also be recorded using the Mopho without any hassle. Complete filter sweeps are possible in 1 rotation if you move the knob quicky.

I can understand the frustration with the knobs in a live situation, sure, but why not use a BCR2000, for example? A controller like this can also be used in a studio if you like live tweaking...

I think there's a lot of uncalled-for negativity being posted here. Let's not forget that this is an amazing synth for the price.

If you're looking to buy a mopho, seriously, don't be put off by reading this post. Give it a try for yourself.

Just my opinion...

kernelpanic · 21st January 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Introspective

The way I see it is:

I think there's a lot of uncalled-for negativity being posted here. Let's not forget that this is an amazing synth for the price.

If you're looking to buy a mopho, seriously, don't be put off by reading this post. Give it a try for yourself.

Just my opinion...

+1

spol · 21st January 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Introspective

Just my opinion...

Do you work for DSI? .......just kidding

Look, yes Mopho is a great synth for the price despite this knob annoyance but this issue makes all those knobs useless so if DSI isn't going to address this problem via a software update then I hope they will make a knobless version and pass the saving to us! If the knobs are useless then yes make them dissapear. I understand you love the synth, so do I, but I think you are going way too far to justify this issue. The knobs SUCK balls and there is nothing to argue there.

Acid Hazard · 22nd January 2009

I have no problem with the knobs on the Mopho. I'm used to them from having the Evolver. Yeah, a smooth encoder, or regular pot would be best. But whatever, i'm not mad =o]

2nd January 2009	#1
spol Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 274 Thread Starter	mopho knobs I'm hoping that my Yellow Bastard is defected and this is not how all these Mofos work. Basically the knobs are the absolute worst shit I have ever seen on an audio gear, I would describe them slow, low resolution and just plain crap, totally useless for live tweaking and frustrating in the studio. It takes 6 full cycles for the filter cut off to go through the whole freq spectrum, for the rest of the knobs it takes 3 rounds. I know endless knobs aren't supposed to be fun but Mopho's knobs are a Nightmare. I sent an email to DSI back in November and never heard back from them. So far I've been using the editor and a mouse to edit patches but I'd like to know how other Mopho owner's feel about this.

14th January 2009	#6
Strobian Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 856	Yeah the major downfall of the box, although I don't do many filter sweeps really. I use it for bass and some odd lines really. The knobs are not my favorite, but I think it still works well. Overall its a good unit. __________________ Best Regards. Let the ear be the final judge. http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Dynamics-Audio-Mastering/142816939085810

16th January 2009	#11
pr0gr4m Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 415	I don't have one but I have a question... I would imagine that you guys are using the Mopho from a controller keyboard of some sort. If you map knobs from the controller to the Mopho do the controllers knobs inherit the "long-throw or in this case, long-spin" of the knobs on the unit? My guess is no because the controllers knows would send the 128 MIDI steps the same way for everything, regardless of what it wasconnected to... To say that the knob precision makes the unit "pretty much useless" seems a little much. You are playing it with a controller, why not just control the knob parameters from a controller as well? I think what they should have done is add a button...if the knob is turned with the button depressed, then it goes into high precision mode. Without the button depressed, 1 rotation should cover the full range. __________________ 7 Hertz...so good.

17th January 2009	#13
Introspective Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 83	The way I see it is: In a studio setup (like I use my Mopho), just use the software or your sequencer to control parameters. Live tweaks can also be recorded using the Mopho without any hassle. Complete filter sweeps are possible in 1 rotation if you move the knob quicky. I can understand the frustration with the knobs in a live situation, sure, but why not use a BCR2000, for example? A controller like this can also be used in a studio if you like live tweaking... I think there's a lot of uncalled-for negativity being posted here. Let's not forget that this is an amazing synth for the price. If you're looking to buy a mopho, seriously, don't be put off by reading this post. Give it a try for yourself. Just my opinion... __________________ Meat Katie & Dylan Rhymes - "Long Acre (Mike Hulme Remix)" [Lot49] OUT NOW on BEATPORT Carl Cox "Another good release here from Lot49. Mike Hulmes remix of Long Acre is the winner here." DJ Magazine"...scything minimal-funk at its most potent" 4/5 DMC Update "...roughed up into a truly malevolent charger of spectacular power by Mike Hulme" 4/5 Laurent Garnier "...good pumping tune for kicking the shit out of the crowd , this works for me" http://www.myspace.com/mikehulmeproductions

22nd January 2009	#16
Acid Hazard Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,124	I have no problem with the knobs on the Mopho. I'm used to them from having the Evolver. Yeah, a smooth encoder, or regular pot would be best. But whatever, i'm not mad =o] __________________ Synths: SH-101 . x0xb0x . SEM . FR XS . Oberkron v3 . uWave II . MoPho . UltraNova . Monotribe . Monotron Drum Machines: TR-707 . R-70 . Procussion New DJ Mix - AcidTed - Question Everything

2nd January 2009	#2
The_Crooked_Man Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: West Philadelphia Posts: 353	As far as I know, those are the same encoders that the Poly Evolver uses, and yes, they are insanely unstable. My evolver has knobs that jump about randomly, skip every 5, etc. Good luck. As far as getting ahold of DSI, though, CALL THEM. They're fantastic.

14th January 2009	#3
GeorgeHayduke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,167	Ok, while the knobs aren't the most solid I've ever come across, I must admit I don't mind the long travels. I would rather have the possibility to fine tune than not. I mean, compared to being able to fine tweak versus making a lightning cut off (which I consider merely a musical sound effect with limited application) I think most prefer precise tweaking. I do, anyway.

14th January 2009	#4
atsushi_hoshiai Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 87	lol@ yellow bastard... We should email Dave to change the name. Really like it.. Man it ain't that crappy.. When I compare the knob response of the Mopho with the ones on my Novation Remote SL25, they are quite the same. The Mopho also features a acceleration function, though it's not working always working properly.. But this can be improved by an OS-update.. Anyway the sound of the Mopho beats anything else at this size and price..

14th January 2009	#5
d1rtynyc Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Look behind you. Posts: 2,246	Yeah, the knobs are WAY TOO precise for my tastes too. I guess I was hoping for an analog synth with controls like an analog synth of the past. Real-time tweaking sucks on it except for subtle changes. I find myself relying way too much on the soft editor & automation. I hope that maybe in the future you can modify this.

15th January 2009	#9
atsushi_hoshiai Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 87	When you rotate the knobs quickly, muss less rotations are needed to get through the complete parameter range.. This feature basically works but sometime it kinda hangs.. stike

16th January 2009	#10
Phaidon Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: N.Y.C. Posts: 2,597	Yeah,total turn-off for me too. Makes the synth pretty much useless...

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