Acid Pro 7!!!!

[timbreman]

Just recently announced!
Sony Creative Software - ACID Pro 7 - Introduction

And looks like I can finally start doing sidechaining cause the busses FINALLY have inputs....that was the ONLY thing I was really using Ableton for....now it looks like Acid Pro will be my one stop shop...NICE!!

Look at the new features!

New! External control surface channel tracking
New! Custom labels for ASIO™ devices and ports
New! Interactive tutorials
New! Audio and MIDI mixing console
New! Audio, MIDI, and Bus Track meters
New! Input busses
New! Real-time rendering
New! Tempo curves
New! Cross-track event drag and drop
New! Enhanced Beatmapping for tracks with tempo changes
New! Enhanced timestretch and pitch-shifting with élastique Pro
New! Metronome count-off
New! Switches including Normalize, Invert Phase, and Lock
New! MIDI track freeze
New! Enhanced plug-in management
New! Optimized plug-in scanning with Plug-in Manager
New! Native FLAC, AAC, AC-3 Studio, and MPEG-2, format support

[top]Included with ACID Pro 7

ACID Pro 7 software includes the following applications for music production and editing: ACID Pro Effects Rack powered by iZotope, Garritan Aria Player, Submersible Music KitCore, and Native Instruments Guitar Combos.

[lcvl]

The new mixing console is really cool.
Probably my favorite new feature.

[timbreman]

lol
I guess nobody uses Acid Pro then.
Everyone still stuck on Ableton and Logic?

[brightbyrd]

It looks great...but too little, too late.

[thehuman]

Originally Posted by brightbyrd

It looks great...but too little, too late.

Yeah. Plus Sony is #1 on my personal list of companies not to do business with. They are the biggest bunch of sinister fascist asswipes, and after many bad experiences witht their junky products and dimwitted greedy customer service, I refuse to give them any more money. Ever.

Even if they do have one of these cutting edge "mixing console" things the kids are all talking about these days.

[timbreman]

Originally Posted by thehuman

Yeah. Plus Sony is #1 on my personal list of companies not to do business with. They are the biggest bunch of sinister fascist asswipes, and after many bad experiences witht their junky products and dimwitted greedy customer service, I refuse to give them any more money. Ever.

Even if they do have one of these cutting edge "mixing console" things the kids are all talking about these days.

Ok so I will give you the fact that Sony is Evil. I dont EVER buy anything from them except Acid Pro...Besides...not like they made the core technology...that's all from Sonic Foundry.
And I just cant acomplish mixes at near the speed I can in anything else I've tried.

[The Architecture]

If it wasnt for getting a copy of Acid Music 1.0 back in 2000, I would have never got to where I am today!

Man, It looks like its finally worth getting back into Acid Pro again. I haven't used it since Acid Pro 4, which I got in 2003! The only thing Im not sure it can top is Abletons built in FXs.

[timbreman]

Originally Posted by The Architecture

The only thing Im not sure it can top is Abletons built in FXs.

That may be true but that's what vst's are for. I cant really think of any ableton built in fx that there isnt a vst out there that can do the same thing if not better.

[The Architecture]

My other question is how tight is the midi timing? I know that Abletons is TERRIBLE! Thats pretty much why I have gone with using my MPC2000XL for all of my sequencing.

Now the ideal thing for me would be to sync the MPC with the computer, so that I can descretely record each synth and drum part in time in Acid Pro, thereby getting around the 6-8 channel imput limitation on my soundcard.

[timbreman]

Originally Posted by The Architecture

My other question is how tight is the midi timing? I know that Abletons is TERRIBLE!

Well I've never had a problem with the midi timing in Ableton.
What exactly are you referring to? Triggering? Midi Note Sync? Swing?

[The Architecture]

my issue is midi clock sync.

For example, I recorded some arps off of my JP8000 via midi first, then when I played it back, it was loosing sync with the rest of the mix.

Pretty much what drove me to doing everything hardware sequencing wise.

Plus I also could use another midi interface for all of my synths, like an 8x8 interface for all of the midi gear I have. and that way it would be easier to record descretely each track to the daw, so I can get away from strictly stereo tracks (2 channers).

[timbreman]

Originally Posted by The Architecture

my issue is midi clock sync.

For example, I recorded some arps off of my JP8000 via midi first, then when I played it back, it was loosing sync with the rest of the mix.

Pretty much what drove me to doing everything hardware sequencing wise.

Plus I also could use another midi interface for all of my synths, like an 8x8 interface for all of the midi gear I have. and that way it would be easier to record descretely each track to the daw, so I can get away from strictly stereo tracks (2 channers).

I have never had that kind of problem. Are you sure your JP recording is perfectly looped? Also make sure the sample in Ableton has the looping bar with the correct amount of measures highlighted. If you want just post the JP sample and I can try it out in ableton to see whats up.

[thomek]

timbreman,

Could you explain how sidechaining works now with Acid Pro 7?

Thx

[subsonix]

Originally Posted by thehuman

Yeah. Plus Sony is #1 on my personal list of companies not to do business with. They are the biggest bunch of sinister fascist asswipes, and after many bad experiences witht their junky products and dimwitted greedy customer service, I refuse to give them any more money. Ever.

Even if they do have one of these cutting edge "mixing console" things the kids are all talking about these days.

junky products - yes!

know what you mean... I stopped buying Sony products, because the last 3 top of the range items I bought went into self destruct mode days after the warranties ran out and most problems seemed to be design faults.

After reading hundreds of posts on the net from people with the same issues and with Sony not recalling products when they should have, I believe they do these things on purpose.tutt

I have Sony products from 20 years ago that are still going strong but their new stuff sucks big time. Wouldn't spend another penny with them on a physical product.

I do like Acid though, so will check this new one out...thumbsup

[lcvl]

Some of you guys should try to remember that the audio-software division of Sony is almost a complete separate and different entity from the "others" Sony's, the ones responsible for plasma TVs, PSP, and all the rest of their consumer products.

What's even more interesting is that most of the people who used to work for Sonic Foundry are still there, but now working for Sony. Same city, same building, same offices... same people!

And unless they turned evil as soon as they signed that Sony contract... well, you get my point...

[timbreman]

Originally Posted by thomek

timbreman,

Could you explain how sidechaining works now with Acid Pro 7?

Thx

Well after more research it turned out that 7 did NOT have sidechain capability. This is just unnacceptable and truly does show how far behind the times Sony really has become regardless of that dept being Sonic Foundry or not.

[lcvl]

I was referring to the pretty harsh comment below, not about the lack of sidechaining capabilities in AP7.

As already mentioned, the workaround for the lack of native sidechaining is to use some "sidechain-ready" VST plugins.

Or you could try emailing them for that specific feature request. I know for a fact that they do read support forums and emails.

Originally Posted by tuman
Yeah. Plus Sony is #1 on my personal list of companies not to do business with. They are the biggest bunch of sinister fascist asswipes, and after many bad experiences witht their junky products and dimwitted greedy customer service, I refuse to give them any more money. Ever.

Even if they do have one of these cutting edge "mixing console" things the kids are all talking about these days.

[timbreman]

Originally Posted by lcvl

I was referring to the pretty harsh comment below, not about the lack of sidechaining capabilities in AP7.

As already mentioned, the workaround for the lack of native sidechaining is to use some "sidechain-ready" VST plugins.

Or you could try emailing them for that specific feature request. I know for a fact that they do read support forums and emails.

Well I've tried calling and emailing them and I really got nowhere with it. I even signed up for the AP7 beta testing and heard nothing back even though I have experience beta testing other audio products. In fact the person who I spoke with at Sony Creative Software didnt even know what sidechaining is. She had to ask one of the tech support ppl who simply gave an answer similar to yours. "Use a sidechain ready vst". They didnt really seem to care.

Now I did indeed try that twisted lemon vst and it was complete garbage. The concept was good but unless my version of Acid Pro 6 has some kind of issues with virtual routing I really dont hear it doing much of any sidechaining regardless of the settings I used.

And before you say anything...yes I did spend a great deal of time with it and know how the virtual channels work. I heard it "trying" to do something but it certainly wasnt even remotely close to any kind of decent sidechaining.

As of now I do all my sidechaining in Ableton 7 and then export the tracks as wavs and drop them into Acid Pro 6. So unless there is a better sidechain ready vst that you know of I am going to continue what I am doing now.

I have a love/hate relationship with Acid Pro but to be honest it's so damn easy to use and I know so much about how it works that I really dont want to try and learn anything else.

[Chai]

Answer

There it is.

[johnnie red]

Originally Posted by timbreman

I have a love/hate relationship with Acid Pro but to be honest it's so damn easy to use and I know so much about how it works that I really dont want to try and learn anything else.

My main audio app right now is Samplitude, but I spent years using Vegas (another sonic foundry/sony multitrack audio editor). Every once in a while I get to use it again and I always marvel at how easy the workflow is.

[timbreman]

Originally Posted by Chai

Answer

There it is.

Chai you da man!
Nice Find!

[djgizmo]

Originally Posted by brightbyrd

It looks great...but too little, too late.

Agreed. Plus no mention of the sound engine being upgraded.

This one of the major reason why Sony just can't compete with the big(er) boys such Ableton/Logic/PT.

Literally back in 2005/2006 when I personally know 5 electronic music composers changed to ableton, their tracks just started to sound 'better' in general. The weren't using any different plugins or synths, just same old shit.

I DO really like the feel of Acid Pro, but without a better quality engine, I can't justify the sacrifice.

[Dysanfel]

I can't stand the way Acid applies VST to track. The GUI is clumbsy and cluttered.