Schippmann Ebbe und Flut + patchbay?

[aeonlux]

Originally Posted by ignatius

Just wondering how you guys are using it. Do you have the patch pints on the back hooked up to a patchbay? i downloaded the manual to get more info. seems a few of the connections defeat front panel controls when inserting a jack.

how convenient/inconvenient is the patching scheme on this thing? also, any other info you want to share on it would be appreciated as well. the demos are impressive but it's not inexpensive especially for a filter.. even a well spec'd one.

There are a lot of patch-points - a full-spec patchbay would be a fair bit of coin, so I have opted to just hotpatch as needed. Not as convenient to be sure, but works for me. When I get a larger patchbay setup going, I will have some of its I/O connected full-time.

As for its cost, yea, it is not cheap. That said, spec out modular gear to equal the functionality, and the picture changes a bit.


cheers,
Ian

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by aeonlux

There are a lot of patch-points - a full-spec patchbay would be a fair bit of coin, so I have opted to just hotpatch as needed. Not as convenient to be sure, but works for me. When I get a larger patchbay setup going, I will have some of its I/O connected full-time.

As for its cost, yea, it is not cheap. That said, spec out modular gear to equal the functionality, and the picture changes a bit.


cheers,
Ian

i was thinking any TRS patchbay would be fine just wondering about how some patch points are tip some are ring etc and if you can get a splitter cable (like for an insert) and normal them or something and which ones defeat the front panel controls making getting a patchbay a moot point in some cases.

not complaining so much about the price as wondering if it delivers.

I have a modcan modular and get a lot of use out it's filters for processing but the EuF is a lot in a 2U space and might fit just right w/the modular. Hard to justify though as i don't know what i'd get that i can't currently get w/the various filters/mod sources i already have. of course the EuF is it's own thing and has it's own tone/personality etc... just fishing for input on it's functionality etc.

[drxcm]

Originally Posted by ignatius

a mute point

Sorry to be an arse, but this one is a major pet-peeve of mine.

A moot point.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by drxcm

Sorry to be an arse, but this one is a major pet-peeve of mine.

A moot point.

lol.

no problem. i have several peeves just like that one. usually i read over my posts before clicking submit and catch those kinds of things.. as any david foster wallace (RIP) fan would.

[our_swimmer]

Originally Posted by ignatius

lol.

no problem. i have several peeves just like that one. usually i read over my posts before clicking submit and catch those kinds of things.¹



¹ As any david foster wallace (RIP) fan would.

Fixed that for you, Ig.

[choice_of_meat]

I do not use a patchbay with mine... I use a stereo trs snake to monos with the ebbe and flut... I think the only real need for a patch panel is if you want to "bring" the inputs to the front... ie.. so it can sit in with the rest of your modular without having to connect to the back of it...

I do not have the manual in front of me.. but you do break the normal signal flow by inserting a cable - so for example if you patch into the filter one input, you then are not sending the normal input's signal to filter one... so to recreate the "normal" signal flow using a patch panel... you would have to patch in your signal thrice to recreate the "normal" signal flow... sig -> normal input, filter one, filter two...etc.. But even then I am not sure how the front panel signal routing filt1,filter2,dist switch would work... and therefore you might lose some of the expediency the front switches provide... cost/benefit of prewired....

Also the envelope detector is on the standard input only? ( I would like this to not be the case so if anyone can correct me please do!!)

I thought of a seperate modular (like a modcan) for doing what it does.. I am glad I purchased it... soncially it is astounding... and for me the pre-wiring of the paths has led to more experimentation than not, as a patch option is simply a switch away... (like let's flip the order of the filters and distortion around, and then "scroll" through the filter types... without patching... but still all analog... for on the fly live playing this is great for me!!

Hope that aided a bit....

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by choice_of_meat

Hope that aided a bit....

it sure did. thanks a ton

[tribeofenki]

hi, was stumbling here on the forum and browsed for:

Schippmann Ebbe... thing is Weird 4 sure. Online Proof:

Herr Schippman at NAMM + Some Insights

Users? Trent Reznor Villalobos Tiefschwarz On Stage > Love Parade, PPL seems to like it

[Swami Digital]

I also am among those who thought about using it with a patchbay and then decided not to. The switch functionality is extremely convenient, and I have it positioned so I can actually access the back of it when I want to configure it differently. I thought it would be inconvenient, but once I actually began using it, I found it to work out well for me.

-D

[dlmorley]

I so want one of these!

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

I so want one of these!

i'm finding it difficult to not want one of these too... but on the sherman site it says:

"COMING UP: STEREO FILTER IN COLLABORATION WITH RODEC"

so, i'm kind of curious what that will be like... though i'm sure it won't make me want the schippman any less and i'll probably have GAS for the sherman/rodec TBA stereo filter as well.

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by ignatius

i'm finding it difficult to not want one of these too... but on the sherman site it says:

"COMING UP: STEREO FILTER IN COLLABORATION WITH RODEC"

so, i'm kind of curious what that will be like... though i'm sure it won't make me want the schippman any less and i'll probably have GAS for the sherman/rodec TBA stereo filter as well.

I have tried the new filter (a prototype but it was 99% there I believe) at Sherman and it's superb. Very different though. Great for remixing or processing live stuff. Not a distortion machine like the filterbank. Very cool indeed and something I would use more than a filterbank. It has a few tricks too, but 'll leave that up to Herman to divulge
Absolutely going to get one when I can.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

I have tried the new filter (a prototype but it was 99% there I believe) at Sherman and it's superb. Very different though. Great for remixing or processing live stuff. Not a distortion machine like the filterbank. Very cool indeed and something I would use more than a filterbank. It has a few tricks too, but 'll leave that up to Herman to divulge
Absolutely going to get one when I can.

thanks for the heads up! looking forward to more info.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

I have tried the new filter (a prototype but it was 99% there I believe) at Sherman and it's superb. Very different though. Great for remixing or processing live stuff. Not a distortion machine like the filterbank. Very cool indeed and something I would use more than a filterbank. It has a few tricks too, but 'll leave that up to Herman to divulge
Absolutely going to get one when I can.

different?
reference?
spill more beans please, you have my attention.
I know the Rodec mixers. Clear, professional, but not really a lot of color.

Also, what is the fuss about the Ebbe & Flut. It's a good filter, but nothing you wouldn't already have, or is it?? Iow, what is so special about it?
thanks

[dlmorley]

DE:BUG MUSIKTECHNIK » Rodec & Sherman: der Restyler

A bit of info here.
I went with Herman to the Messe last year and he was showing it off.

[Tom H]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

DE:BUG MUSIKTECHNIK » Rodec & Sherman: der Restyler

A bit of info here.
I went with Herman to the Messe last year and he was showing it off.

Hey that looks very nice for around 450 euro's! Cool for live and studio too, ballanced i/o etc. Very interested in this one. thumbsup

[Reptil]

mmmm tasty!!
thanks
tell him please NO LIMITER

also very interested in his freaky projects..

[dnaflr2]

I had serious gas for one of these too, but I couldn't get around the price for a non-stereo unit. Forgot about it after getting Mutator.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by dlmorley

DE:BUG MUSIKTECHNIK » Rodec & Sherman: der Restyler

A bit of info here.
I went with Herman to the Messe last year and he was showing it off.

looks pretty cool. nice to hear him talk about it. curious what his "freaky" future product is as well.

[aeonlux]

Originally Posted by dnaflr2

I had serious gas for one of these too, but I couldn't get around the price for a non-stereo unit. Forgot about it after getting Mutator.

You can still use it in stereo, even if it isn't a true-stereo piece, if you know what I mean. Non-matched filters in stereo can lead to the most amazing psychoacoustic effects.

In any event, it is a horse of a much different color than the Mutator.


cheers,
Ian

[GYang]

Originally Posted by dnaflr2

I had serious gas for one of these too, but I couldn't get around the price for a non-stereo unit. Forgot about it after getting Mutator.

Mutator is different beast. I love it.
Two Schippmans are only way out to have it stereo.
It is worth price and now price is going down thanks to weak Euro.
We are talking high-end here.

[ignatius]

anyone care to comment on the distortion in the E-F? i've listened to the demos and it seems to break up nicely and add some tasty harmonics. it doesn't sound quite as blistering as something like a sherman or a barker assmaster but i'm sure it depends on signal level at input and the content of the signal.

anyway- again.. just fishing for opinions on where it sort of fits in the distortion spectrum.

[Doktorfuture]

I have 2 schippman's and really wish there were a front access patch bay.

P

Originally Posted by GYang

Mutator is different beast. I love it.
Two Schippmans are only way out to have it stereo.
It is worth price and now price is going down thanks to weak Euro.
We are talking high-end here.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by Doktorfuture

I have 2 schippman's and really wish there were a front access patch bay.

P

but it's so easy
just add a normal patchbay.
saves the machine from wear as well.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by Reptil

but it's so easy
just add a normal patchbay.
saves the machine from wear as well.

i think it upsets some of the normal signal flow of the machine though so the functionality will change as some connections are trs w/the tip/ring doing different things. at least that's what i gathered from reading earlier posts in this thread.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by ignatius

i think it upsets some of the normal signal flow of the machine though so the functionality will change as some connections are trs w/the tip/ring doing different things. at least that's what i gathered from reading earlier posts in this thread.

so? most patchbays are trs too
you can also use an insert cable and split to two (mono) patchpoints on the bay.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by Reptil

so? most patchbays are trs too
you can also use an insert cable and split to two (mono) patchpoints on the bay.

that's what i was thinking too but:

Originally Posted by choice_of_meat

"I do not have the manual in front of me.. but you do break the normal signal flow by inserting a cable - so for example if you patch into the filter one input, you then are not sending the normal input's signal to filter one... so to recreate the "normal" signal flow using a patch panel... you would have to patch in your signal thrice to recreate the "normal" signal flow... sig -> normal input, filter one, filter two...etc.. But even then I am not sure how the front panel signal routing filt1,filter2,dist switch would work... and therefore you might lose some of the expediency the front switches provide... cost/benefit of prewired...."

[Reptil]

can't you just half normal these on the bay? works for all my other gear.
you just move the insert point physically. but the circuit is still closed, if this IS a send-return insert - I'm assuming it is, if no jack is inserted in the lower half of the patchbay. (in a normal top is output configuration) If it's an output or stereo output just take it to the top half of the bay, and cancel half normalling.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by Reptil

can't you just half normal these on the bay? works for all my other gear.
you just move the insert point physically. but the circuit is still closed, if this IS a send-return insert - I'm assuming it is, if no jack is inserted in the lower half of the patchbay. (in a normal top is output configuration) If it's an output or stereo output just take it to the top half of the bay, and cancel half normalling.

i don't have the unit or manual so can't speak to the specs of the i/o. i'm only referencing info in this thread but you may be right.