Master chain for house music , electro house..

[deltaforce]

what it's your master chain for making house music,ance ,electro house etc... ??


1 - EQ

2 - COMPRESS

3 - LIMITER


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[msl]

in logic


hp
gain
psp mix saturator
colortone pro
compressor
eq
limiter

[deltaforce]

thanks for reply , more replys? thanks

[Reptil]

gain amp, compressor, eq, limiter (optional), converters.

there are no hard rules but eq before compression could cause the compressor to clamp down on the eq-ed part. not a problem, but then you'd have to A-B monitor it with the compressor off first. Otherwise the compressor might drown the eq effect. And then check together with the compressor to know how much it "drives" the compressor.
I like to keep it short and simple. My own stuff does not need much anyway.

--> check the Mixmaster I'm selling?! Euro's lower against the dollar again.

[Ben F]

Prism Dream D/A > Sontec 432 EQ > Thermionic Pheonix (or 1/2" tape) > Neve 2087 EQ > Weiss DS-1 > Prism A/D

[lowkey]

I take it you mean whats on the Master Bus during mixing, rather than as a Mastering session? I sometimes have the Sonalksis 315 Compressor in Master-Open setting or/and Vintage Warmer, each hardly moving though. Then into UV22 dither. I do all my eq on individual channels.

[Freq18Hz]

1 - bass

2 - bitches (preferably asian with colored wig and glow sticks)

3 - beer



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[Ludwig]

You guys compress your master track? I was always led to believe that compressing at mastering was a bad thing because if messed around with your levelling (mixing). I was always told to simply use limiting at the mastering stage.

[1945MF]

Hi All,
First Bounce mix with (SSL EQ & SSL G Master Compressor) for Pre Master

Then at Mastering session will be,
SPL Tube Vitalizer >> SPL Kultube >> PSP Master Q >> Mc Dsp ML 4000 Multiband Limiter >> Waves L2 Hard ware

Cheers,

DJ R

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[Edward]

Prism Maselec MEA-2 & MLA-2, TC6000 limiting.

Occassionally a spot of Manley Massive Passive.

[crufty]

i use the renegade master, D4 damager, with the ill behavior

sorry.

[Strobian]

Originally Posted by Ludwig

You guys compress your master track? I was always led to believe that compressing at mastering was a bad thing because if messed around with your levelling (mixing). I was always told to simply use limiting at the mastering stage.

This is bad advice, most engineers compress tracks. The less limiting the better.

Also I think using a mastering engineer is worth the money. Having a seperate pair of ears on a project goes along way.

When I master peoples tracks my chain is usually something like this:

UAD 20hz filter - HEDD -API 2500 - HEDD (tape process)- EQ (if needed) UAD Limiter (1-2db)

[Ludwig]

Originally Posted by Strobian

This is bad advice, most engineers compress tracks. The less limiting the better.

Also I think using a mastering engineer is worth the money. Having a seperate pair of ears on a project goes along way.

When I master peoples tracks my chain is usually something like this:

UAD 20hz filter - HEDD -API 2500 - HEDD (tape process)- EQ (if needed) UAD Limiter (1-2db)

Lol that was advice from my college lecturer who is an ex Abbey Road engineer.

Is it not true then that compressing a master will mess with the levels you have set during mixing? What kind of ratio's do you use?

[d1rtynyc]

Originally Posted by Ben F

Prism Dream D/A > Sontec 432 EQ > Thermionic Pheonix (or 1/2" tape) > Neve 2087 EQ > Weiss DS-1 > Prism A/D

That is a slutty chain! Nice one.

[Reptil]

very slutty indeed

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by Ludwig

Is it not true then that compressing a master will mess with the levels you have set during mixing? What kind of ratio's do you use?

Well if you do alot, yes. But if you do it for sound not for level, it could be considered to be part of the mix IMO. This thread was for a mastering chain, it would be odd to do the mastering at the same time that you mix IMO.

[Strobian]

Originally Posted by Ludwig

Lol that was advice from my college lecturer who is an ex Abbey Road engineer.

Is it not true then that compressing a master will mess with the levels you have set during mixing? What kind of ratio's do you use?

Maybe your mis quoting him. I find it odd that anyone would tell you to use only limiting as a mastering chain. There are a few that don't limit the track at all or hardly at all. It would just flatten out any dynamics, considering most limiters are similar to a 10:1 or 20:1 compressor, depending on the set up.

I guess the job of the mastering engineer is to determine if you need compression, EQ, or any tool to improve the sound. I usually use a ratio of 2:1 when mastering, but again its program dependant, and sometimes a lower threshold and 4:1 can sound right.

[Delta Heavy]

Originally Posted by d1rtynyc

That is a slutty chain! Nice one.

he's a mastering engineer

[alchey]

Originally Posted by crufty

i use the renegade master, D4 damager, with the ill behavior

sorry.

back once agaiN!

[kde1ta]

i usually do all my mastering during my mixing... its not that odd really i mean... especially for dance music, you have fun with the sounds at first, create your hook... master your hook and make the rest of the track based on that...

my mastering chain goes something like this,

single-band compressor
multi-band compressor
eq
harmonic exciter
limiter

[Ged Leitch]

If i'm Mastering my own tracks it will be nothing other more than>>>

HP@20HZ (if needed) > PSP XENON ( limiting about 1 to 2db max)

if it doesnt sound right after that - it means i need to go back to the mix.

[deltaforce]

up! more replys please.- Post you MASTER CHAIN FOR HOUSE , DANCE , ELECTRO HOUSE STYLE MUSIC !

[iangomes]

Originally Posted by kde1ta

i usually do all my mastering during my mixing... its not that odd really i mean... especially for dance music, you have fun with the sounds at first, create your hook... master your hook and make the rest of the track based on that...

my mastering chain goes something like this,

single-band compressor
multi-band compressor
eq
harmonic exciter
limiter

seems very odd to me. you master a part of the track, and then make the rest?

[Ben F]

Originally Posted by Ged Leitch

If i'm Mastering my own tracks it will be nothing other more than>>>

HP@20HZ (if needed) > PSP XENON ( limiting about 1 to 2db max)

if it doesnt sound right after that - it means i need to go back to the mix.

Well said. A good mix should not require so much multi-band processing and enhancers, it will generally cause more damage than good. A small amount of processing is all that is required to present the mix better.

[TMB]

Api 2500 Stereo Buss Compressor then A-Designs Hammer EQ

[FeatheredSerpent]

I wouldn't be so bold as to think I could 'master' my own tracks, I think that word gets bandied around far too much by poeple that like to think slapping a load of processing on their mixbuss equates to a master.

I do put a sonic maximiser and PsP Vintage Warmer2 on the mix buss if I want to hear what it sounds like LOUD and compressed though, but I wouldn't call it mastering..

[cosmos]

sometimes C2 on 2buss to get the pumping going on .. no need for EQ, everything is done in the mix.

i do NOT master my tracks,
i dont have the proper room/monitors/tools or knowlage to master (the right way) my tracks.
i leave it to the ones who masterd Mastering.

+ i preffer a different set of outsider ears to that job.

[Mantik]

i add nothing.
i feel so oldschool.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by cosmos

sometimes C2 on 2buss to get the pumping going on .. no need for EQ, everything is done in the mix.

i do NOT master my tracks,
i dont have the proper room/monitors/tools or knowlage to master (the right way) my tracks.
i leave it to the ones who masterd Mastering.

+ i preffer a different set of outsider ears to that job.

for my own tracks I do the same. it is a good thing to let go of the track, and let someone you trust do more work on it.
Same professional attitude as a band, going to a studio, to record and mix their songs, instead of fukking about with cheap preamps in the rehearsal room themselves, and not getting 100% result from that. (geee... how strange )

I put more compressors, and eqs on the busses now than the master.
But one or two pieces, with a light touch, sometimes.

[Phaidon]

Just a touch of Drawmer 1969 on the mix bus.(1-2dB)
Nothing else.