Any chance we'll see a new Jupiter 8 in '09??

jambirn · 18th July 2008, 05:04 PM

Sounds like the reissue of vintage analogue synths could be great business. This year was Dave Smith's Prophet, then next will be the Jupiter, then the VCS3, right? If you're an insider, feel free to divulge ultra-confidential proprietary information here. We'll all promise to keep it a secret

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Jim

Jazzpunk · 18th July 2008, 05:20 PM

Roland is a toy company now. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell you'll see them re-issuing the Jupiter 8 (unless of course they choose to stuff a softsynth version into a plastic box in a lame attempt to cash in on the name).

Fluxpod · 18th July 2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Roland is a toy company now. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell you'll see them re-issuing the Jupiter 8 (unless of course they choose to stuff a softsynth version into a plastic box in a lame attempt to cash in on the name).

Sad but true.

allcentury · 18th July 2008, 05:50 PM

i bought the jup8v because i couldn't afford the real deal on ebay. i'm quite happy with it :) give the demo a try!

Don Solaris · 18th July 2008, 07:24 PM

I'm quite happy with the existing one.

SWAN808 · 18th July 2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Roland is a toy company now.

lol

Its such a shame they're 2 - 3 grand now - I'd love one.

My Jx3P is pretty fun - but its got no punch. If anyone can advise me of a reasonable priced poly analogue with control and 2 VCO suggest away....

t_d · 18th July 2008, 08:03 PM

they'll call it the "J-8", give it a d-beam controller and TR909 samples built in....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Roland is a toy company now. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell you'll see them re-issuing the Jupiter 8 (unless of course they choose to stuff a softsynth version into a plastic box in a lame attempt to cash in on the name).

Popbott · 18th July 2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Solaris

I'm quite happy with the existing one.

Awesome pic.

jbuehler · 18th July 2008, 10:31 PM

Don Solaris..............I envy thee.........I envy thee badly......

roginator · 18th July 2008, 10:41 PM

I herad that roland dont own name jupiter any more
that was why they made JP 8000

not Jupiter 8000
so there are more problems to made new jupiters

OurDarkness · 18th July 2008, 11:02 PM

The chances that Roland will make a new Jupiter (analog, lots of buttons, cool things all around, etc) are 1 in a trillion and I am rather optimistic. Same thing about Yamaha and Korg ofcourse.

Dave Peck · 18th July 2008, 11:52 PM

I would be more interested in a new analog polysynth that had a MUCH deeper voice architecture than a Jupiter. Like an Oberheim Matrix-12 or a Rhodes Chroma. But in a tabletop/rackmount package with lots of knobs like the rack version of the new Prophet08. And also a USB connection for editing all parameters on your computer display and saving/transferring patches between the synth and the computer, like a Nord Modular or a TC Reverb4000. Just thinkin' out loud.

triez · 18th July 2008, 11:55 PM

If you have owned a Jupiter 8 you will know how dense it is and the large set of circuit boards it has. Roland would no more make a re-issue of the JP8 than make a new System 700. They would have to charge $8000.00 for an 8 voice synth.

Roland like most manufacturers now make boxes of DSP's. They will soon most likely have the same board in every item that they make, the case and the set of algorithms will be the only differences between models.

chrisso · 19th July 2008, 12:21 AM

I think they thought they did it with the JP8000.

No chance a real reissue will come any time soon.

Lots of other great options out there though.

analogbass · 19th July 2008, 02:37 AM

The question's moot because even if they did, the chances are very high that like most other reissues it wouldn't live up to the name. The Prophet 08's a good example, not bad but only vaguely related to the original. The soft versions of an 8 are probably as close as it gets.

Rather than waiting for name brand reissues, for the most part outside of analogs that are intrinsically closer to the old daze like Moog and modular analogs it's better just to find good synths without considering pedegree.

Jazzpunk · 19th July 2008, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by t_d

they'll call it the "J-8", give it a d-beam controller and TR909 samples built in....

Hells yeah! I'd way rather have the d-beam than analog oscillators. It's the shizzle!

rasp · 19th July 2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by analogbass

Rather than waiting for name brand reissues, for the most part outside of analogs that are intrinsically closer to the old daze like Moog and modular analogs it's better just to find good synths without considering pedegree.

Like the PolyEvolver .

Dirty Halo · 19th July 2008, 03:33 AM

Roland TR 808
Roland TR 909
Roland TB 303
Roland System 100
Roland Jupiter 4
Roland Jupiter 8
Roland Jupiter 6

If they had HALF a brain, they'd make a KILLING on the brand equity that they ALREADY own and the incredible demand...

But alas, they don't

They won't They keep making half-ass toys and slap blah blah 808 and pretend.

-andrews

The Architecture · 19th July 2008, 03:55 AM

Heres the deal too. People will want their JP-8, and then when they make a new one, people will complain it doesn't sound as good as the original did because they used x brand transitors and capacitors, instead of the original blah blah blah.

Ie. Minimoog Voyager.

I rather have a NEW synth with new features without any histortical baggage, like the PolyEvolver, than a rehash of the past.

We need more new ideas, not rehashes.

crufty · 19th July 2008, 05:36 AM

Current innovation award out of roland / yamaha / korg goes to korg. Like their sound or not, all their products are different and very unique. I'm still amazed by the electribe mx...the sound is very unique.

yamaha is not taking many chances, though the new teriorion? looks pretty swank.

Roland...I do not understand how they can have the three archetypical instruments of electronic music (303 / 808 / 909) and completely fail to capitalize on them. It'd be like if Apple Music decided to no longer manufacture new pressings of beatles albums for people to buy.

no matter. Because of that, we have future retro, jomox, dave smith, linn, alesis, moog, etc. btw wasn't the jupiter 8000 supposed to be the 'new' jupiter-8?

Don Solaris · 19th July 2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jambirn

Sounds like the reissue of vintage analogue synths could be great business.

If you are small enough.

For Roland - problem is the market. How many JPs would be sold? Not even 1/10th of how many SH-201s were sold. Why? Those who hear the difference and appreciate Jupiter's sound are a BIG minority.

I swear to Buddha, if they made 20.000 instead of 2.000 JP-8s you wouldn't see this price craziness at all. Those who "know what is it" would comfortably get one - the rest would continue to suck their thumbs with cheap plastic sounding toys like SH-201, JP-8000, etc - they can't hear a difference anyway. They are happy, you are happy - everyone's happy.

Unfortunately (or thankfully) - people with cultivated sense and liking are a minority on this planet. Roland won't make a new JP just for them. Specially when it can earn x10 with the SH-301, TB-304, TR-809, etc.

Welcome to the New World -> Quantity over Quality.

The Architecture · 19th July 2008, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crufty

Current innovation award out of roland / yamaha / korg goes to korg. Like their sound or not, all their products are different and very unique. I'm still amazed by the electribe mx...the sound is very unique.

Korg definitely gets my vote, as the Electribe MX is THE machine that I swear by for most of my productions. I have used that machine for entire albums and a few others synths, and the results knock peoples socks off.

A very underrated and powerful groovebox. And the Decimation, rocks!

OurDarkness · 20th July 2008, 12:31 AM

Innovation for Korg? Oh common, you must be joking, right?

Quote:

the rest would continue to suck their thumbs with cheap plastic sounding toys like SH-201, JP-8000, etc - they can't hear a difference anyway.

Gee - that was impolite. I don't suck my thumb and I don't think the JP-8000 is plastic sounding - thank you very much.

Pip · 20th July 2008, 01:02 AM

Agreed VCS3 pleeeeeeeeeze, Jupiter

Don Solaris · 20th July 2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OurDarkness

I don't suck my thumb and I don't think the JP-8000 is plastic sounding

Maybe we misunderstood. Having JP-8 in the topic, the JP-8000 sounds plastic compared to it, that's a fact. I actually know JP-8000 inside out, even discovered a bug no one else before did (see here).

I was commenting the real thing vs Roland's current policy, and the amount of people who can't tell the difference. How could they, when they never had access to "real thing". There are something like 1500 fully working Jupiter 8s on this planet covered with 6.5 billion people. The probability you will even have a chance to see one, are getting smaller and smaller. This is the card Roland is playing on. When you got no reference point you are destined to use the existing position.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

Agreed. I like the JP-8080 because it's thick sounding and sounds nothing like a Jupiter 8.

As of "thick" JP-8080. Ha! I'd say it's like talking big tits without trying double F's.

Join the club first, boys! This goes for OurDarkness as well. Get some 2 VCO polyphonic analog. Be it a P5, Xa, JP-6, A-6, JP-8, whatever. Spend some time with these instruments, then sit in front of JP-8080 and tell me it sounds "thick". I buy you a sixpack - if you call it THICK.

OT:
I remember back in something like 1995 when the first VSTi came out included with the Cubase. Till that point all i had was ESQ-1 and JV-1080. Anyway, i was blown away into pieces when i heard how THICK and FAT that soft synth sounded.

And then one day i played the JP-8...

SWAN808 · 20th July 2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DivineChemical

Have you tried a Prophet 600 yet? Price fluctuations aside, you can get them around $500 and they sound nice. Kinda Prophet 5, but more aggressive.

Thats one I was considering - and the stepping issue doesnt bother me too much - but Im concerened about whether they lack and decent punch....and also reliability... Any thoughts on that...?

OurDarkness · 20th July 2008, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Solaris

Join the club first - this goes for OurDarkness as well. Get some 2 VCO polyphonic analog. Be it a P5, Xa, JP-4, A-6, JP-8, whatever. Spend some time with these instruments, then sit in front of JP-8080 and tell me it sounds "thick". I buy you a sixpack - if you call it THICK.

I *DO* have analog synthesizers. Both with 2 VCOs and 3 VCOs. And I have spent A LOT of time with them much in the same way that I have spent a lot of time with the JP-8000.

So, do I still think it's thick? Like I said before I had plaster coming down the walls from a lame plastic sounding JP-8000 so.. yes. Thank you for letting me have an opinion.

dlmorley · 20th July 2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SWAN808

Thats one I was considering - and the stepping issue doesnt bother me too much - but Im concerened about whether they lack and decent punch....and also reliability... Any thoughts on that...?

One thing that bugged me about the P600 was that it has no white noise. Would be nice if it did.
Cool synth for the money but not one that excited me too much (but I had a P5 next to it)

Don Solaris · 20th July 2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

OT: I actually found that page you linked to a couple years ago and thought "Wow... so it probably sounds like no other VA." And I was right. Unison, detune, feedback oscillator, more distortion... nothing can sound like it.

Well I wrote that article in effect of fascination with JP-8080. It was first week that i had it. Soon as i started to experiment, this synth became less and less interesting for my taste. Things that i liked on it: 1)feedback osc 2)vocoder 3)external processing. Given the rate JP-8080 had back then i decided to sell it, save the money and now buy Jupiter 6 (this autumn).

UPDATE: Ha! I just listened to those demos, now exactly 2 years since i've made them (and later sold the JP-8080). Well... it's not such a bad sounding synth. But, life goes on - you can't have all the gear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OurDarkness

I *DO* have analog synthesizers. Both with 2 VCOs and 3 VCOs.

I'm curious to know which synths.

crufty · 20th July 2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OurDarkness

Innovation for Korg? Oh common, you must be joking, right?

Radias / M3M / ElecTribe (w/tubes*) / legacy software / new nano's, etc. Compare to roland or yamaha, pretty innovative, no?

*yes it's no metasonix and the light up led is a bit hokey

I like the jp80x0 sound. it does what it does very well. Honesty, I think its secret is in its layering, and how you can fiddle with two patches at once. simple concept, but something that's impossible to do with a std 2 osc analog.

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18th July 2008, 05:04 PM	#1
jambirn Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rockland County, New York Posts: 67	Any chance we'll see a new Jupiter 8 in '09?? Sounds like the reissue of vintage analogue synths could be great business. This year was Dave Smith's Prophet, then next will be the Jupiter, then the VCS3, right? If you're an insider, feel free to divulge ultra-confidential proprietary information here. We'll all promise to keep it a secret . Jim

18th July 2008, 10:41 PM	#10
roginator Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 297	I herad that roland dont own name jupiter any more that was why they made JP 8000 not Jupiter 8000 so there are more problems to made new jupiters __________________ SYNTHETIC ARTS STUDIO

19th July 2008, 12:21 AM	#14
chrisso Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oz Posts: 2,807	I think they thought they did it with the JP8000. No chance a real reissue will come any time soon. Lots of other great options out there though. __________________ Chris Whitten

19th July 2008, 03:33 AM	#18
Dirty Halo Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 3,188	Uuuuuh, no. Roland TR 808 Roland TR 909 Roland TB 303 Roland System 100 Roland Jupiter 4 Roland Jupiter 8 Roland Jupiter 6 If they had HALF a brain, they'd make a KILLING on the brand equity that they ALREADY own and the incredible demand... But alas, they don't They won't They keep making half-ass toys and slap blah blah 808 and pretend. -andrews

18th July 2008, 05:20 PM	#2
Jazzpunk Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,350	Roland is a toy company now. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell you'll see them re-issuing the Jupiter 8 (unless of course they choose to stuff a softsynth version into a plastic box in a lame attempt to cash in on the name).

18th July 2008, 05:50 PM	#4
allcentury Gear Head Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 48	i bought the jup8v because i couldn't afford the real deal on ebay. i'm quite happy with it :) give the demo a try!

18th July 2008, 07:24 PM	#5
Don Solaris Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 0...+5V Posts: 209	I'm quite happy with the existing one.

18th July 2008, 10:31 PM	#9
jbuehler Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 896	Don Solaris..............I envy thee.........I envy thee badly......

18th July 2008, 11:02 PM	#11
OurDarkness Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 302	The chances that Roland will make a new Jupiter (analog, lots of buttons, cool things all around, etc) are 1 in a trillion and I am rather optimistic. Same thing about Yamaha and Korg ofcourse.

18th July 2008, 11:52 PM	#12
Dave Peck Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: S.F bay area Posts: 1,318	I would be more interested in a new analog polysynth that had a MUCH deeper voice architecture than a Jupiter. Like an Oberheim Matrix-12 or a Rhodes Chroma. But in a tabletop/rackmount package with lots of knobs like the rack version of the new Prophet08. And also a USB connection for editing all parameters on your computer display and saving/transferring patches between the synth and the computer, like a Nord Modular or a TC Reverb4000. Just thinkin' out loud.

18th July 2008, 11:55 PM	#13
triez Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 496	If you have owned a Jupiter 8 you will know how dense it is and the large set of circuit boards it has. Roland would no more make a re-issue of the JP8 than make a new System 700. They would have to charge $8000.00 for an 8 voice synth. Roland like most manufacturers now make boxes of DSP's. They will soon most likely have the same board in every item that they make, the case and the set of algorithms will be the only differences between models.

19th July 2008, 02:37 AM	#15
analogbass Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 554	The question's moot because even if they did, the chances are very high that like most other reissues it wouldn't live up to the name. The Prophet 08's a good example, not bad but only vaguely related to the original. The soft versions of an 8 are probably as close as it gets. Rather than waiting for name brand reissues, for the most part outside of analogs that are intrinsically closer to the old daze like Moog and modular analogs it's better just to find good synths without considering pedegree.

19th July 2008, 03:55 AM	#19
The Architecture Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Breckenridge, CO Posts: 224	Heres the deal too. People will want their JP-8, and then when they make a new one, people will complain it doesn't sound as good as the original did because they used x brand transitors and capacitors, instead of the original blah blah blah. Ie. Minimoog Voyager. I rather have a NEW synth with new features without any histortical baggage, like the PolyEvolver, than a rehash of the past. We need more new ideas, not rehashes. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/architecture1Key Gear in use: Teac A-3340S, Emu 1820m with Sonar LE, Korg EMX-1, Korg ES-1, Akai S-612, Akai S-950, MPC2000XL with MCD, Alesis Andromeda A6, Micron, Roland JP8000, Yamaha TX81Z, TG33, Sony SLV-595HF, Tascam 424MKII, Akai AX-60, Focusrite Trak Master, MXL V69M, Event Alp5

19th July 2008, 05:36 AM	#20
crufty Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 574	Current innovation award out of roland / yamaha / korg goes to korg. Like their sound or not, all their products are different and very unique. I'm still amazed by the electribe mx...the sound is very unique. yamaha is not taking many chances, though the new teriorion? looks pretty swank. Roland...I do not understand how they can have the three archetypical instruments of electronic music (303 / 808 / 909) and completely fail to capitalize on them. It'd be like if Apple Music decided to no longer manufacture new pressings of beatles albums for people to buy. no matter. Because of that, we have future retro, jomox, dave smith, linn, alesis, moog, etc. btw wasn't the jupiter 8000 supposed to be the 'new' jupiter-8?

20th July 2008, 01:02 AM	#24
Pip Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 99	Agreed VCS3 pleeeeeeeeeze, Jupiter