My Space = Zero = Fake !

[a long]

Hello Punks

It's been a while and i have been busy.

You can dump your my space page because i can confirm that this site is shite. A lot of hype that many artists "think" is a must because the big Dj's and producers all have 45550306565 friends.

The problem i have noticed is this : There are guys and girls with zero talent with over 4000 friends. More than 90% of these friends will add you to there so called " friends " list because they have the attitude, the more the merrier will be better for MY PR and that's why they add shite to there friend list.

Now you smell the cheese !

Here is what i did.

I made a My Space profile with shite music and contacted over a thousand people. That profile has now reached 2.567 friends who added me for there own PR. I have received comments like " thanks for request " blah fvcking blah blah and the likes and thats it.

I made a My Space profile with a track that works with the public because i have joined at least 5 mp3 sites and the responce has been astounding, to say the least. My myspace profile has 70 hits to date and 3 plays and my profile on all the other sites combined amounts to 5.689 with 789 plays and 240 downloads.

My Space is a load of crap dfegad


You do the math.

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[Sounds Great]

You just now figured this out?

Just use MySpace as a FREE storage medium to put your songs, pictures, info, videos, etc. Then it is up to you on who you direct there to hear your stuff. If someone important stumbles there by accident and discovers your music, all the better. Just don't count on it.


But then again, it happened to this guy:

Rock band Boston finds new lead singer on MySpace

[chrisso]

There's lots of 'shite' music in the charts and discussed in glowing terms on this forum.
Both are fake? Or is it just a matter of musical taste?

[Brian!]

so you're saying a product that receives promotion does better than one that doesn't receive any at all? you don't say...

[rainsinvelvet]

..and let us not forget about the play and friends BOTs out there. Nothing like seeing a relatively no name band having 800 plays a day.

ERic

[jbuehler]

Originally Posted by Brian!

so you're saying a product that receives promotion does better than one that doesn't receive any at all? you don't say...

LOL. I was going to say the same thing!

[Acid Hazard]

It's all in how you use it. If you blindly add people, then it really serves no purpose. Keep your friends to REAL friends you know personally, and people who share the same interests and musical tastes, and it'll be fine. Of course there's people who use it to feed their egos and get fake music plays. But those people will be nowhere soon enough.

[plaid_emu]

I've yet to set up a myspace page because every time I go there it seems like there's not enough bandwidth for the number of users / visitors. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to check out somebody's page and haven't been able to view it. Does anyone else seem to have problems with pages just hanging there forever and not loading?

[nofi]

psycho loading times?? That's not myspace's servers... that's your connection, and your computer's processor, dealing with the multitude of ads and javascripts and trackers that a page needs to load to be finished, and the processor time to sort it all out....

if you run firefox, you need to go on myspace, and use the ******* plugin for an hour or so - and block anything that isn't the basic myspace service that your computer is told to load scripts and images from... it'll cut your myspace load times by about 1/2. making it at least manageable.

of course you can't just block one ad at a time, cause there's thousands on each server... you need to take out whole domains and subdomains where you can, but generally you have to be a bit tricky with sites like myspace - blanket banning the wrong subdomain can stop the whole site from working... like my third filter - it uses a simple wildcard to kill all ad wrappers, but still allow the code that actually makes the site work to load.

looking through mine, I've killed:
dehp.mysapce.com
delb.myspace.com
creative.myspace.com/cms/js/ad_wrapper*.js

Plus I block a whole bunch of other third party adservers (plus ******* has a filterset updater that is always being added to by others!)

Now of course, you still get huge load times from pages with hundreds of photobucket and youtube comments, but that's not all pages, at least.... and its not things like your control panel (where I spend 90% of my myspace time, replying to messages, approving friend adds, etc) and at least most of the really distracting blinky-flashy crap that myspace vomits up when you load a page is gone.

at the end of the day, myspace is a promo tool. It's a promo tool of dubious effectiveness, and it's a crappy thing to use, but a bit of work can make it work easier, and people expect you to have a myspace these days...

I tried both ways, and I think it's easier to just put the bugger up, and find a way to tend to it without much hassle, than it is to explain why myspace sux every time someone asks you where your myspace is!!!

:-)

[nofi]

hahahaha!!!! now, why would gearslutz have a filter on a word like that?
....like, nobody will know it exists unless they read about it here??


aaah well..... this forum's gotta make a living somehow.

I think you all can guess what I'm recommending.

hint: the updater I use is called filterset G.




PS, I personally don't do, nor do I recommend using blocking here... gearsluts advertising is very low impact and I don't think it makes much difference to a page load to get ads here.... plus I'm happy to support this site - also, I'm much happier to view ads for studio gear than the awful awful crap ol rupert is hawking at everyone to turn a buck.

[cl516]

for how i use it, i can't understand why someone would hate it. i find a lot of new and upcoming bands, and a lot of them include a myspace page as part of their arsenal. i only add to my profile the bands that i'm interested in, and my account i've added about 400 friends, not thousands. for me, it's kind of a neat uniform way to be able to preview people's music and perhaps send them a message - even though they prolly won't read it personally.
but yes i do have to filter out a lot of bull crap spammers and sketchy requests along the way.

[Jazzpunk]

Next thing you guys are gonna try and tell me there's no Santa Clause. I believe in you Myspace, I believe!

[Rufuss Sewell]

My band Estrum has built a world-wide fanbase almost exclusively using MySpace. We sell tons of albums and get people to our shows with it as well. Don't get me wrong, we're very small time and still have day jobs. But MySpace has been a HUGE help to us. We get anywhere from 200 to over 1200 REAL plays a day. And of course we have no label, management, money or anything else. Just MySpace and a PayPal store. And as much as people hate on MySpace, it gives us credibility with labels, reviewers and industry folk when they peruse our page and see that there are 10,000 comments from people saying they love our music! CD Baby is helping a bit too!

Check it out here: MySpace.com - Estrum - Austin, Texas - Rock / Metal / Progressive - www.myspace.com/estrum

[DocT]

Originally Posted by Rufuss Sewell

My band Estrum has built a world-wide fanbase almost exclusively using MySpace.

If I had a myspace account I'd like to be your friend Nr. 29403, as long as you promise to remember my name

[alexp]

I personally have had decent results from Myspace. We have gotten shows, and made some friends along the way. I am with the anti bot crowd though... That stuff makes 0 sense, and because of them, no one can guage actual fan bases of the bands. Best bet, like always, is to go to a show. Any band with 800 plays a day on a myspace page will get way more than 4 people out to a show for sure.

[Brian!]

i really don't see the point in complaining about a free promotional tool that anyone can use

[a long]

If you just read the post in full you might actually get a whiff of coffee
as to the point i tried to make. Again i just let the audio to the talking because that's whats it's all about at the end of the day.



i have joined at least 5 mp3 sites and the responce has been astounding, to say the least. My myspace profile has 70 hits to date and 3 plays and my profile on all the other sites combined amounts to 5.689 with 789 plays and 240 downloads.



When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other !

Originally Posted by Brian!

i really don't see the point in complaining about a free promotional tool that anyone can use

[Brian!]

so you had a poor experience with the site and that serves as how everyone else must experience it? all these hits and plays are nice and all but really don't mean anything unless they're backed by something else.

[Meriphew]

As long as Myspace is free, I have no complaints. It's a great promotional resource.

[Sounds Great]

Hi a long. Use those other sites. MySpace is free. It is just a social networking site. You can post music on there if you want. What's the problem?



My MySpace

[rasp]

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

Regardless of how horrible your music is, there's always going to be somebody who will listen to it.

I don't know why, maybe its because I haven't gotten to sleep in a long time, but that is perhaps one ov the funniest things I've heard in a long time. Its so true. LOL.

[Dirty Halo]

Some well-respected music professional recently said something that rang true to me about the current state of music:

"It'd be nice to see more bands put as much time into their music as they do self-promotion and internet hype."


Sad. True. Symptom or cause?


-andrews


P.S. MySpace is about as new and innovative as a 1-4-5 progression. Time to move on.

[duvalle]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

"It'd be nice to see more bands put as much time into their music as they do self-promotion and internet hype."

lol - very good point there ...

[Darkening]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Some well-respected music professional recently said something that rang true to me about the current state of music:

"It'd be nice to see more bands put as much time into their music as they do self-promotion and internet hype."

It would be even nicer to see bigger record labels supporting and promoting talented bands (not just what's hip at the moment) so the bands are able to focus on their music and not self-whoring.

[Sounds Great]

Some unfair assumptions being made. There are bands that are putting everything they have into their music and skills, AND on top of that the self promotion is totally necessary. This is nothing new. But the promotion part is harder than ever. Nothing wrong with trying every means possible.

[ignatius]

myspace is good for local things. letting people know about upcoming shows, finding out about upcoming shows etc. i've gotten a lot of gigs from myspace and found some really cool art and music.

sure there's way more crap than there is good stuff but that's pretty much consistent w/the rest of the world imho.

[Big Ale]

and the point of this post is what, you little boy grow up !!dfegad

[msl]

As someone said above it works locally, and I'd add especially within specific genres of music locally. I've meet loads of people, collaborated over the net and face to face with other musicians and vocalists, became friends with some, got more than a few gigs, and picked up a few fans. Yeah the interface IS crap, but so what its free.

[Yutaka]

I have spent quite a bit of time on myspace myself. I think of the friend requests as no different from handing out flyers on the street - the number of people who take them from your hand doesn't really correspond to how many people will have interest in you, but at least there's a chance that somebody might, just because you are making efforts to reach people. I am happy to have myspace than not.

Reaching +500 plays a day without bots is not that hard. You can send out 500 messages total a day on myspace, and this 500 includes add requests and comments as well. The "day" resets when the daily play count goes back to zero - in France it is 1pm. If you do about 400 adds a day, after about 5 days or so, you'll have 500-600 plays a day. The bands with no label having +800 plays a day is really no surprise - they are working on it. You can login to one profile from multiple computers at the same time so that you can share the workload.

As for loading time, I think our page (in my signature) loads pretty fast even with the customisations. I've designed it myself rather than depending on one of those layout sites. I think eliminating background (static BG layer against the scrolling top makes navigation really slow) and making any of the pictures small enough make things much easier to navigate.

I've found some very good music on myspace I wouldn't have found otherwise. YMMV.

I must admit that I have spent more time on learning to code the layout, learning photoshop, adding friends, and sending comments, than I would have liked. Myspace really screws with the way your mind relate to people as well, just like forums. I hated working on it, but it really helped us as well, so I don't regret doing it.

[Yutaka]

Originally Posted by 12345

That's a contradiction. Sending out 500 msgs a day without a bot is not hard? Unlike other sites if you don't do anything you're profile will never get clicked. And I don't want to be a full-time myspace clicker. By the way myspace is not solely for music and most of the people are not that interested in new artists/bands on myspace. On soundclick there are either musicians or listeners and nobody else.

Well, in the real world, if you are not doing anything, you never get noticed, either.

If you learn to do it efficiently and have a team, it really is not that hard, about a couple of hours of work. Firefox is your friend.

I thought soundclick was for those 30 second guitar pedal product demos. I just went there to see the rock genre ranking. 18w Komet (a guitar amp sound demo) was at rank 4. I really don't think that's the kind of site that will help.

Besides, there are many promoters, radio show hosts, managers, photographers, graphic designers on myspace who use it as a networking tool. We have made some very good contacts through it.