Do people really like Electronic Music ? - Page 4

horseface · 9th August 2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

The majority of people seem to be yawning at music in general! The majority of people also tend to be too busy to go searching out new music. They either really like and buy what they hear or else they buy a DVD instead.

Do you really think the majority are bored with the current state of music? A lot of miserable people I know, and probably people you know, are bored with it, but the majority?

Like you say, I always thought that the majority were the ones buying the crap music that is shoveled into their heads on TV, The radio and in shopping malls. They're the ones watching the mindless movies and brain numbing television series. They're the ones buying ridiculous fashion accessories that they see the stars wearing on their favorite shows. Are they really that bored with it? Do they really, truly even know what they actually like, or do they have to be told?

All they're doing is showing that they have an endless appetite for crap and that there is always a market for pointlessly interchangeable disposable drek.

vartan k · 9th August 2006, 08:44 PM

"Do people really like Electronic Music?"

Yes tons of people do. The topic should be, Do people even buy Electronic Music?
The sad thing is most dont buy it anymore. I would even say more people download pirated Electronic music more then any other genre.

Fredrik · 9th August 2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vartan k

I would even say more people download pirated Electronic music more then any other genre.

Perhaps thats true if so it really sucks if you´re willing to accept mp3 it´s plenty available at least in the dance domain on sites like tracksource or dancetracks. You´ll get the benefit of choosing mixes you like, unlike what is available thru soulsearch etc.

octatonic · 10th August 2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose Mrochek

I had this question for a very long time. Is it a trend, fashion ? Fashion Statement ? Is it "cool" to listen to electnonic music? Does it create any sort of emotion on anyone? Why is Radio not invaded with Electronic music ? Why is MTV not playing that kind of music if it's played in every single club ? Any thoughts on this ???

All music is a trend or a fashion at some point.

It's appropriate to listen to electronic music in some environments.
My wife and I have very different needs from music.
She likes background music (or as I call it "that 'orrible shit") like Hotel Costes and Buddha Bar compliation CD's.
I don't even hate it- it has absolutely no impact on me.

I like to listen to music intensely, doing nothing else- I don't want background music... I want to travel.

A lot of what I listen to could be classed as electronic music.
Does it create emotion? Sure- but it is different to listening to Led Zep, or Bartok string quartets or Placebo or the Beatles or Eminem or...etc and each is different to each other also.

It is pretty simple, really.

Daddy No · 10th August 2006, 01:38 AM

Does anybody like rock music? I just cant get into it. It seems like same old formulaic shite from 30-40 years ago fronted by kids with fashionable haircuts? I quite like the Beatles though.

(***ONLY KIDDING - BUT THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE LEVEL OF SOME OF THESE POSTS ABOUT STUFF I HAPPEN TO LIKE***)

John Hedger · 10th August 2006, 01:55 AM

I love electronic music in combination with very seriously choreographed interpretive art dance. I recall seeing such a program as a teen which had a very intelligent and "modernist" aura to it, extremely well done, with scores by Xenakis,etc., and really brought to life alot of the electronic music I had been only briefly exposed to as a music student.

John Hedger

alfonso · 10th August 2006, 12:01 PM

This is not electronic music, but shows the same explorative mind, I've always been a fan of Fred Frith and this performance moves me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3I8TTelv2I

Reptil · 10th August 2006, 04:48 PM

nice!

rids · 13th August 2006, 12:07 PM

Really enjoyed that clip! Electronic music is experimentation in my mind; Synthesis is sound design. Although, I do really enjoy good solid electronic tracks. Electronic music is intriguing being that you can not get a lot of sounds you can from synthesis, so when I was young and would listen to music and hear synth sounds I would wonder what was making such wonderous sounds and now I'm into this stuff over my head, well at least knee deep.

Now I look at music from all angles of sound in a whole different and wonderful light. I owe it to electronic music.

cosmos · 14th August 2006, 06:01 PM

Electronic music scene is not new and its growing everyday, theres more and more festivals around the world for that scene, its not much big in the US like in europe but its amazing scene. from 1994 to 2006 theres alot of progress .

http://www.boomfestival.org/boom2006/index.html

http://www.voov-experience.de/index.php

http://www.zoom-party.ch/

http://www.burningman.com/

and alot more underground events that comes up every month everywhere .. some events goes up to 20000 people and more for 7 days straight ... very nice

.

gsilbers · 15th August 2006, 11:25 AM

when u listen to anything new on the rock station or pop. the dj promote the new whatever... you start to listen.. half way into the verse1 you or your friend will turn around and say " sounds like X with a mix of X" (where X is another rock or pop band)

verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge chorus. X a billion.

and adding guitar (there is nothing you can do with a guitar that wount sound like something already made. )

both those combinations make me puke.

how much music out there has that same pattern?
not much!

jazz-not
classical-not

dont you enjoy the music from movies... which create emotion ? it doent have a verse chorus and melody.

it has a mix of every type of compositional techniques.

electronic music also creates emotion, if u dont feel it it maybe becuase of the image of miami's plastic-rich snoby sceen it has.

i felt the same until i went to underground raves (no drugs for me)
on jungle mountains, virgin beaches and regular old wharehouses, where poeple just listen to the music and wherent about looks /meat market seen.
u know- tight black shirt-indoor sunglasses-luxury cars etc.

id remeber some tunes and some styles where reallly heavy sounding thay rocked.
i open my mind to new sounds emotions and new ways to listen to music.

melody, choruses are still there.

i listen to electronic music 24/7 and also old shcool salsa.

but i listen to just the intro of a pop or rock tune and i hurl.

i really cant stand it. but i appreciated as art. i mean its always the same over and over. its just a recepeit .

but i guess u can say that about any type of music your not really into.

tom@ssl · 15th August 2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Mrochek

. that's great, must be lots of fun for sure. My question is, will they listen to electronic music while in their shower or driving to work on monday ? I'm sure some do, but in the little investigation I did about this topic.. the majority don't. Why is that ? Some time ago I was at a club in Miami, while the usual electronic music was played.. the DJ decided to experiment and put in Nirvanas "smells like teen spirit" Original version. You could see everyones faces turn from "exotic I'm on drugs look" to a "big smile the world is a nice place look" . Very interesting. As much as I try, I don't understand the electronic music phenomenon.. I just don't get it.

Good electronic music excites me in a way that no acoustic music can ever come close to. I live for it :)

ShaneFontane · 19th August 2006, 10:24 PM

ELECTRONIC MUSIC is NOT DEAD. and it is not a trend. DUH. Um, that's like saying rock-n-roll is a trend, or jazz or blue grass or whatever. Just because a genre of music is not getting air play does not mean it's horrible or not liked. As a matter of fact it can mean quite the opposite since most music on the radio is consumable. AND once it's consumed, the listener moves onto the next hook of the next song. This can be considered trendy if we are speaking of trends.

Electronic music houses all kinds of styles such as house, techno to IDM, experimental, ambient etc... None of this music is garbage. YES, some artists or "outsiders" of the genre may compile some crap or write some crap but it's surely not the fault of a genre. ???

I read somewhere in this thread someone mentioning how they hate the nonsense of loops compiled together, sawtooth waves, drums, 7 minute songs etc... Well, then you obviously have never been sweating your ass of at 4am dancing your ass off amongst thousands of people. Considering those arangements are spefically written for DJs (not radio or home CD players) to be able to mix into toher songs and to allow the DJ to work the EQs, delay units, etc to MANIPULATE those mixes in real time to create uniqe PERFORMANCES that will allow the dancer to EXTEND their moment. Jeez. This comment was soooo ignorant.

ALL music has it place in our world - Just at different moments in our life.

Don't hate on something you don't understand. And in regards to the quality of dance music or electronic music as a whole, DUDE - not all these producers are ITB bedroom producers. Even those simple songs you hear are being recorded, tracked, mixed, etc on some of the highest-end gear out there. It's a very technical mix to get such a simple groove.

Blah. I really hate hearing people comment so negatively about electronic music. And for one moment, lets take a quick look at just a slither of electronic/dance music talents that are pissing away songs on end along with $$$ while we are sitting here on some ****in forum debating about their music's worht:

TIESTO - DJ's the opening of the 2004 Summer Olympics
APHEX TWIN - Has worked with NIN, Phillip Glass and created a style of music
FELIX DA HOUSECAT - Recognized by Rolling Stone and Spin Magazine
ERIC MORRILO - ASCAP Recognition Award for his contribution to dance music

i dunno... there are many more... just don't feel like going on and on...

horseface · 20th August 2006, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaneFontane

ELECTRONIC MUSIC is NOT DEAD. and it is not a trend. DUH. Um, that's like saying rock-n-roll is a trend, or jazz or blue grass or whatever. Just because a genre of music is not getting air play does not mean it's horrible or not liked. As a matter of fact it can mean quite the opposite since most music on the radio is consumable. AND once it's consumed, the listener moves onto the next hook of the next song. This can be considered trendy if we are speaking of trends.

Electronic music houses all kinds of styles such as house, techno to IDM, experimental, ambient etc... None of this music is garbage. YES, some artists or "outsiders" of the genre may compile some crap or write some crap but it's surely not the fault of a genre. ???

I read somewhere in this thread someone mentioning how they hate the nonsense of loops compiled together, sawtooth waves, drums, 7 minute songs etc... Well, then you obviously have never been sweating your ass of at 4am dancing your ass off amongst thousands of people. Considering those arangements are spefically written for DJs (not radio or home CD players) to be able to mix into toher songs and to allow the DJ to work the EQs, delay units, etc to MANIPULATE those mixes in real time to create uniqe PERFORMANCES that will allow the dancer to EXTEND their moment. Jeez. This comment was soooo ignorant.

ALL music has it place in our world - Just at different moments in our life.

Don't hate on something you don't understand. And in regards to the quality of dance music or electronic music as a whole, DUDE - not all these producers are ITB bedroom producers. Even those simple songs you hear are being recorded, tracked, mixed, etc on some of the highest-end gear out there. It's a very technical mix to get such a simple groove.

Blah. I really hate hearing people comment so negatively about electronic music. And for one moment, lets take a quick look at just a slither of electronic/dance music talents that are pissing away songs on end along with $$$ while we are sitting here on some ****in forum debating about their music's worht:

TIESTO - DJ's the opening of the 2004 Summer Olympics
APHEX TWIN - Has worked with NIN, Phillip Glass and created a style of music
FELIX DA HOUSECAT - Recognized by Rolling Stone and Spin Magazine
ERIC MORRILO - ASCAP Recognition Award for his contribution to dance music

i dunno... there are many more... just don't feel like going on and on...

Nicely put! While I agree with everything you say, I think the whole ITB / OTB snobbery doesn't apply to Electronic. I can see why you mention it, probably to sell it to the old farts who love the sound of fret squeaks.

I'm going to say it again, because I'm annoying: A kid with guts/heart/soul/vision/love for what they're doing and a shitty PC full of pirated software can (and has!!) come up with something utterly, utterly wonderful.

They can come up with something groundbreaking, genre making or simply just a classic in an established genre, they can and have done it AND they do it with cheap/minimal gear.

There are people sat behind hundreds of thousands of dollars of gear, obsessing over pre amps and mics and compressors and urgh. They often end up churning out samey old music that will be forgotten in a month or two. Exactly like you say, big trend. The idiots like if for a month. Trendy. People move on. Then the people move on and your work doesn't matter anymore. But, hey, perhaps you just care about the money. Great. Whatever floats your boat. You laugh all the way to the bank, while your work ends up as a soundtrack for soccer moms to go shopping to. Even they will lose interest in the end.

All the while, kids in bedrooms around the world making electronic music history. They make something that people won't be embarrassed to play in 1, 2 or 5 years time.

It should at the very least be a sobering thought to those ruining the musical world with their disposable, plastic junk.

But, do what you love. Yeah. Concentrate on the craft, ignore the art. Obsess over little things, but then ultimately do the same as everybody else has already done a thousand times before.

Just don't knock the Electronic.

Everything will be electronic in the end. As soon as you slice and move some audio in a beardy folk song, you've inadvertently made some hard ass techno, like it or not. And the thought of somebody making techno without realising it turns me on.

RobR · 21st August 2006, 04:25 AM

All I know, is that there is a world of difference between
Morton Subotnick, Dino Felipe, Mouse ON Mars, Squarepusher,
Stockhauson, Cage, Reich, Fatboy Slim and BT.

Perhaps the term "electronic music" is a little too broad.
Furthermore, maybe the term "electronic music" is ridiculous.

Once a description for music that happened to be performed on
a synthesizer; ala Raymond Scott, early theremin concerts, Gershon Kingsley.

Simultaneously, as something of a neo-classical context.

In recent years, as dance and disco came about, and many; and, of course, the new wave; "electronic music" came to be known as many, many, and many things.

The term is even inclusive to music using samples (ala, fourtet or every pillaging of "amen my brother" ,ever).

So, do I listen to "electronic music"? I really don't know, man. I listen to music.
Maybe I can get away with tossing agreed upon "genres" in the air; but never
something as generic as "electronic music". It just doesn't make sense.

Honestly,

alfonso · 21st August 2006, 01:39 PM

There is an electronic live music project called "Spheric Lounge", in Germany, in wich live improvised sessions are performed by different occasional groups in several places and recorded, all can be downloaded freely here:

http://www.sphericlounge.de/

It's a very nice dimension, and some music is very good.
I'd like something similar in Italy where I live, but I think that Germany is quite ahead for electronic music, also amongst the club owners, I don't know in your countries, but in Italy it's all cover bands or big pop names or Jazz&Blues....

I'm making a group to play my recent CD, I think I'll find more to play in the rest of Europe than here....

magnuspater · 23rd August 2006, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by henryrobinett

I think drugs have influenced the music considerably. Especially has music lacks less and less substance. There's this space, head nodding, think nothing-ness where too much activity spoils the groove. Where loops, occuring over and over can be easily ingested and fast moving lyrics (rap) can create the "wow" effect, regardless of whether it makes and sense or has any significance. Electronic music in particular has a hypnotic effect that, coupled with drugs . . .

My opinions . . .

well, drugs also influenced the music of hendrix, the beatles, the grateful dead, and many other bands. i've heard people say that hendrix makes "sense" to them after they take a hit of lsd. i wouldn't know because i've never taken lsd. i like hendrix, but some of his stuff is way out there.

i agree that a lot of the electronic music is repetitive and monotonous, but there are many songs that actually have song structures and many interesting things happening in the music to keep one's attention. i can actually drive down the road or work out w/ electronic music and it sounds pretty freakin good.

and i also agree with you that drugs have influenced the music. most definitely.

Reptil · 23rd August 2006, 03:39 AM

now THAT is a fitting quote.

one little nuance: ppl. who do not care for or have no ears for music can chew all the dope they want, nothing will happen.
ppl. who do have the ears can be affected and turned to the music. it can have a profound effect on them in that state of consciousness. change the way they think.

what can be concluded IMO? that it is coming from within all of us. Substances used in the right setting, in the right mindset are at best catalists. Our brains make it work.

OTOH some music definitively has more impact when using certain kinds of substance. I can get really turned off by irritating horns and fake blues bands, and really excited by acid basslines. (still! guess it is in my ROM) really going into the electronic imperfections and enjoying them for a microsecond. until the next one comes along. It is something you can learn IMO and do not have to use anything for to reach again.

We're lost in music, oh feel so alive, yeah we're lost in music, pabadaaapaptadadaaa...

FalconerHK · 23rd August 2006, 04:14 AM

I just read this thread for the first time and it reminds me of the tired "is rap/hiphop/etc. real music or just a bunch of no-talent hacks yelling over a drum machine" nonsense.

The only reason I'm into music, production, sound design and composing is because of my encounter with Mr./Ms. Carlos's Switched-On Bach. Having been forced to play classical piano since I was barely out of diapers, I appreciated the composition and arrangement of classical music, but was caught completely off guard by the concept that one could use alternative - experimental - instrumentation to achieve a totally new direction with existing material. And, unlike an acoustic piano, a sythesizer could sould like almost anything the programmer could realize within the limitations of their equipment. As an eight-year old this was a big revelation.

Consequently I've been into electronic music, space music, dance music, ambient music, new age music, new wave music, trance music (etc.) since then. I listen to electronically-created music quite often, although I would consider my musical tastes highly eclectic.

There is something amazing about the way carefully programmed and composed dance music can draw you in, especially for us engineers/sound designers that understand the work that goes into the best of the genre and by nature "take apart" the components of the music as we listen to it. This music is lovingly crafted by people that spend months on a single track, and it shows. It's one thing to listen to dance music in a club, where the elements combine to elicit a mood or energey level; it's another to sit down and listen in a controlled environment where you can fully appreciate the individual components that make up the overall sound.

My dear composer friend has a Berger-designed facility with a 5.1 set of S3A's, and we frequently spend evenings listening to various genres of electronically-created music. In a nutshell, I think you have to take the time to really listen to what's going on - you'll probably understand why good music in this genre is enduring and long-term listenable.

Neve8128 · 26th August 2006, 12:48 AM

After reading all postings and having followed Soul Music since the early 70's I took ofense to some of coments made here but completely understand why some would thing of dance music as a bad thing since the little exposure most of main stream public have is to a crappy under-produced and tasteless dance music that are being put out by major labels in the U.S. due to the head of A&R people being out of touch with the reality happening in clubs worldwide.

First of all, assuming that all DJ's don't know music theory and have no knowledge about putting music together is stereotypical comment without basis. Why?
Do a seach on producers such as Masters at Work, Louie Vega, Louis Benedetti, and many others and listen to what they have been doing over the past decade or so. If you happen to find the discography of some of the above names you will likely find names such as George Benson, Roy Ayers, Luther Vandross and many other big acts that have worked and or co-produced music with some of them.

Second, I've never done any drugs in my entire life not even smoked pot and like danceable Soul Music (I prefer to call dance music this way)

There is a big dance music industry out there mostly outside the U.S. and many independent labels making money off of this genre. I kind of prefer that the main stream stay with the main stream and leave the undergound music for those who really appreciate and support it.

Like in every genre there is good and bad music. To each their own.

auxpot · 26th August 2006, 01:14 AM

well said...

PIMP · 26th August 2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Mrochek

I had this question for a very long time. Is it a trend, fashion ? Fashion Statement ? Is it "cool" to listen to electnonic music? Does it create any sort of emotion on anyone? Why is Radio not invaded with Electronic music ? Why is MTV not playing that kind of music if it's played in every single club ? Any thoughts on this ???

I've seen my good share of electronic music on MTV, obviously chemical brothers would be an example of the "electronica" genre who made it mainstream, , but I was actually speaking of some of MADONNA's stuff just to name one of the maaany world class artists who have done electronic tracks, which do sound on air waves and music channels. Also hip hop in MOSt of its form is plain out electronic music: samples, loops, drum machines, synths, THAT IS ELECTRONIC MUSIC, no doubt. Electronic music is not only weird repetitive sounds (of which hundreds of genres exist, and in some cases does produce satisfaction to the listener), it can incorporate any and all sounds present in any other type of music, indian, african, rack, guitars, pianos, which IMHO does makes it kinda "limitless" so why think it's about to end, it's not a fashion statement, it's just as valid in ANY of its forms (be it madonna or your local nutcase DJ) as any other genre in the world.

Dopamine · 27th August 2006, 05:07 AM

I've been producing electronic music since the late '80's (coming from a pre-techno/industrial background). The 90's was an great period with TONS of innovation in EDM!! There were new sounds and styles being invented constantly. In my opinion, things have really become stale in the last 5 yrs. In the mid-90's, there was this excitement here in the states, and an anticipation that the whole dance culture would explode like in Europe. To the contrary, things seemed to fizzle out.

Why?? I attribute it to several factors: the death and criminalization of rave culture (the "rave act" of 2002), independent labels' reluctance to release various genres and sticking with a sound that they were known for, the explosion of hip-hop, the marketplace getting over-saturated with mediocre records, the death of vinyl and independent record stores, the advent of mp3/illegal downloading, the aftermath of excessive drug use.

Things go in cycles though, so let's hope there is a renaissance soon!

Reptil · 27th August 2006, 11:17 PM

Yes, lets hope so. Also up to us! With brand new stuff!
I also blame big industry and media trying to compromise and kill this new competition.
And the "rave act" sucks, and should be abolished!
Ridiculous to hunt ppl. down because they want to dance and celebrate life!

dlmorley · 29th August 2006, 11:38 AM

I've been making Electronic Music since the late 80's and it is a genre that I love because people truly love it for the music, not the image or persona. Half the time they have no clue what you look like or where you are from.
So, yes, people love it :)
Of course, there is a lot of shit around as anyone with a PC can in theory make electronic music and then release it (should be illegal ;) ) but there is plenty of stuff out there which is wonderful.
Of course, it's at that point that it becomes irrelevant whether it is electronic or not. good music is good music.

Cojo · 29th August 2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dlmorley

...people truly love it for the music, not the image or persona. Half the time they have no clue what you look like or where you are from.
So, yes, people love it :)

majool · 30th August 2006, 05:20 AM

Very frustrating thread.

OF COURSE PEOPLE REALLY DO LIKE AND LISTEN TO ELECTRONIC MUSIC

And there is a ton of great stuff out there. As mentioned already, the reason it isn't big on the radio (in the U.S.) is because it isn't as marketable as other forms of popular music and we all know we Americans are a consumer culture. It is the same reason that soccer (football) isn't popular in the States...no room for commercials.

I lived and DJ'ed in South America for a couple of years and electronic music is as big there as hip-hop is here. Everyone listens to it. At home, while they shower, while they eat, while they're in taxis, while they.........

I can't even finish this post as it is just ridiculous. If you don't like electronic music that is one thing, but to doubt its validity as a

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9th August 2006, 08:44 PM	#92
vartan k Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Massachusetts USA Posts: 335	"Do people really like Electronic Music?" Yes tons of people do. The topic should be, Do people even buy Electronic Music? The sad thing is most dont buy it anymore. I would even say more people download pirated Electronic music more then any other genre. __________________ www.djvartan.com www.red-bloodedrecords.com Last edited by vartan k; 9th August 2006 at 08:45 PM. Reason: miss spelling

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John Hedger Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 141	I love electronic music in combination with very seriously choreographed interpretive art dance. I recall seeing such a program as a teen which had a very intelligent and "modernist" aura to it, extremely well done, with scores by Xenakis,etc., and really brought to life alot of the electronic music I had been only briefly exposed to as a music student. John Hedger __________________ "In the midst of Sassafras, many things will come to pass"...The BubblePuppy http://www.musicmaker.org/ http://www.johnnyroy.com http://cdbaby.com/cd/jroytubtones

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alfonso Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: italy,by the sea Posts: 166	This is not electronic music, but shows the same explorative mind, I've always been a fan of Fred Frith and this performance moves me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3I8TTelv2I __________________ Get an Experience of Space iTunes http://www.spacemuse.com

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Daddy No Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: london Posts: 137	Does anybody like rock music? I just cant get into it. It seems like same old formulaic shite from 30-40 years ago fronted by kids with fashionable haircuts? I quite like the Beatles though. (*ONLY KIDDING - BUT THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE LEVEL OF SOME OF THESE POSTS ABOUT STUFF I HAPPEN TO LIKE*)

13th August 2006, 12:07 PM	#99
rids Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Between Harmony & Irregularity Posts: 820	Really enjoyed that clip! Electronic music is experimentation in my mind; Synthesis is sound design. Although, I do really enjoy good solid electronic tracks. Electronic music is intriguing being that you can not get a lot of sounds you can from synthesis, so when I was young and would listen to music and hear synth sounds I would wonder what was making such wonderous sounds and now I'm into this stuff over my head, well at least knee deep. Now I look at music from all angles of sound in a whole different and wonderful light. I owe it to electronic music.

14th August 2006, 06:01 PM	#100
cosmos Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Red Sea, IL. Posts: 903	Electronic music scene is not new and its growing everyday, theres more and more festivals around the world for that scene, its not much big in the US like in europe but its amazing scene. from 1994 to 2006 theres alot of progress . http://www.boomfestival.org/boom2006/index.html http://www.voov-experience.de/index.php http://www.zoom-party.ch/ http://www.burningman.com/ and alot more underground events that comes up every month everywhere .. some events goes up to 20000 people and more for 7 days straight ... very nice .

15th August 2006, 11:25 AM	#101
gsilbers Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,350	when u listen to anything new on the rock station or pop. the dj promote the new whatever... you start to listen.. half way into the verse1 you or your friend will turn around and say " sounds like X with a mix of X" (where X is another rock or pop band) verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge chorus. X a billion. and adding guitar (there is nothing you can do with a guitar that wount sound like something already made. ) both those combinations make me puke. how much music out there has that same pattern? not much! jazz-not classical-not dont you enjoy the music from movies... which create emotion ? it doent have a verse chorus and melody. it has a mix of every type of compositional techniques. electronic music also creates emotion, if u dont feel it it maybe becuase of the image of miami's plastic-rich snoby sceen it has. i felt the same until i went to underground raves (no drugs for me) on jungle mountains, virgin beaches and regular old wharehouses, where poeple just listen to the music and wherent about looks /meat market seen. u know- tight black shirt-indoor sunglasses-luxury cars etc. id remeber some tunes and some styles where reallly heavy sounding thay rocked. i open my mind to new sounds emotions and new ways to listen to music. melody, choruses are still there. i listen to electronic music 24/7 and also old shcool salsa. but i listen to just the intro of a pop or rock tune and i hurl. i really cant stand it. but i appreciated as art. i mean its always the same over and over. its just a recepeit . but i guess u can say that about any type of music your not really into.

19th August 2006, 10:24 PM	#103
ShaneFontane Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: DRTY JRZY Posts: 544	ELECTRONIC MUSIC is NOT DEAD. and it is not a trend. DUH. Um, that's like saying rock-n-roll is a trend, or jazz or blue grass or whatever. Just because a genre of music is not getting air play does not mean it's horrible or not liked. As a matter of fact it can mean quite the opposite since most music on the radio is consumable. AND once it's consumed, the listener moves onto the next hook of the next song. This can be considered trendy if we are speaking of trends. Electronic music houses all kinds of styles such as house, techno to IDM, experimental, ambient etc... None of this music is garbage. YES, some artists or "outsiders" of the genre may compile some crap or write some crap but it's surely not the fault of a genre. ??? I read somewhere in this thread someone mentioning how they hate the nonsense of loops compiled together, sawtooth waves, drums, 7 minute songs etc... Well, then you obviously have never been sweating your ass of at 4am dancing your ass off amongst thousands of people. Considering those arangements are spefically written for DJs (not radio or home CD players) to be able to mix into toher songs and to allow the DJ to work the EQs, delay units, etc to MANIPULATE those mixes in real time to create uniqe PERFORMANCES that will allow the dancer to EXTEND their moment. Jeez. This comment was soooo ignorant. ALL music has it place in our world - Just at different moments in our life. Don't hate on something you don't understand. And in regards to the quality of dance music or electronic music as a whole, DUDE - not all these producers are ITB bedroom producers. Even those simple songs you hear are being recorded, tracked, mixed, etc on some of the highest-end gear out there. It's a very technical mix to get such a simple groove. Blah. I really hate hearing people comment so negatively about electronic music. And for one moment, lets take a quick look at just a slither of electronic/dance music talents that are pissing away songs on end along with $$$ while we are sitting here on some **in forum debating about their music's worht: TIESTO - DJ's the opening of the 2004 Summer Olympics APHEX TWIN - Has worked with NIN, Phillip Glass and created a style of music FELIX DA HOUSECAT - Recognized by Rolling Stone and Spin Magazine ERIC MORRILO - ASCAP Recognition Award for his contribution to dance music i dunno... there are many more... just don't feel like going on and on... __________________ FREE MP3s \| DrDrt.com** Electrocrunk, DRT, DIY and Bass MP3s for DOWNLOAD MySpace: www.myspace.com/shanefontane http://www.stopglobalwarming.org

21st August 2006, 04:25 AM	#105
RobR Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 448	All I know, is that there is a world of difference between Morton Subotnick, Dino Felipe, Mouse ON Mars, Squarepusher, Stockhauson, Cage, Reich, Fatboy Slim and BT. Perhaps the term "electronic music" is a little too broad. Furthermore, maybe the term "electronic music" is ridiculous. Once a description for music that happened to be performed on a synthesizer; ala Raymond Scott, early theremin concerts, Gershon Kingsley. Simultaneously, as something of a neo-classical context. In recent years, as dance and disco came about, and many; and, of course, the new wave; "electronic music" came to be known as many, many, and many things. The term is even inclusive to music using samples (ala, fourtet or every pillaging of "amen my brother" ,ever). So, do I listen to "electronic music"? I really don't know, man. I listen to music. Maybe I can get away with tossing agreed upon "genres" in the air; but never something as generic as "electronic music". It just doesn't make sense. Honestly,

21st August 2006, 01:39 PM	#106
alfonso Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: italy,by the sea Posts: 166	There is an electronic live music project called "Spheric Lounge", in Germany, in wich live improvised sessions are performed by different occasional groups in several places and recorded, all can be downloaded freely here: http://www.sphericlounge.de/ It's a very nice dimension, and some music is very good. I'd like something similar in Italy where I live, but I think that Germany is quite ahead for electronic music, also amongst the club owners, I don't know in your countries, but in Italy it's all cover bands or big pop names or Jazz&Blues.... I'm making a group to play my recent CD, I think I'll find more to play in the rest of Europe than here.... __________________ Get an Experience of Space iTunes http://www.spacemuse.com

23rd August 2006, 03:39 AM	#108
Reptil Gear Guru Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Uterèg statsie woar! Posts: 10,209	now THAT is a fitting quote. one little nuance: ppl. who do not care for or have no ears for music can chew all the dope they want, nothing will happen. ppl. who do have the ears can be affected and turned to the music. it can have a profound effect on them in that state of consciousness. change the way they think. what can be concluded IMO? that it is coming from within all of us. Substances used in the right setting, in the right mindset are at best catalists. Our brains make it work. OTOH some music definitively has more impact when using certain kinds of substance. I can get really turned off by irritating horns and fake blues bands, and really excited by acid basslines. (still! guess it is in my ROM) really going into the electronic imperfections and enjoying them for a microsecond. until the next one comes along. It is something you can learn IMO and do not have to use anything for to reach again. We're lost in music, oh feel so alive, yeah we're lost in music, pabadaaapaptadadaaa... __________________ For sale: BFE MK3d equaliser pair racked, Filtek equaliser last generation tight pair of mixing/mastering eqs in steel rack, with new PSU (230V) offers welcome - Woman, opening the door: Are you the police? Jake: No ma'm, we're musicians.

23rd August 2006, 04:14 AM	#109
FalconerHK Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central America (Texas) Posts: 173	I just read this thread for the first time and it reminds me of the tired "is rap/hiphop/etc. real music or just a bunch of no-talent hacks yelling over a drum machine" nonsense. The only reason I'm into music, production, sound design and composing is because of my encounter with Mr./Ms. Carlos's Switched-On Bach. Having been forced to play classical piano since I was barely out of diapers, I appreciated the composition and arrangement of classical music, but was caught completely off guard by the concept that one could use alternative - experimental - instrumentation to achieve a totally new direction with existing material. And, unlike an acoustic piano, a sythesizer could sould like almost anything the programmer could realize within the limitations of their equipment. As an eight-year old this was a big revelation. Consequently I've been into electronic music, space music, dance music, ambient music, new age music, new wave music, trance music (etc.) since then. I listen to electronically-created music quite often, although I would consider my musical tastes highly eclectic. There is something amazing about the way carefully programmed and composed dance music can draw you in, especially for us engineers/sound designers that understand the work that goes into the best of the genre and by nature "take apart" the components of the music as we listen to it. This music is lovingly crafted by people that spend months on a single track, and it shows. It's one thing to listen to dance music in a club, where the elements combine to elicit a mood or energey level; it's another to sit down and listen in a controlled environment where you can fully appreciate the individual components that make up the overall sound. My dear composer friend has a Berger-designed facility with a 5.1 set of S3A's, and we frequently spend evenings listening to various genres of electronically-created music. In a nutshell, I think you have to take the time to really listen to what's going on - you'll probably understand why good music in this genre is enduring and long-term listenable. __________________ "We're not happy 'til YOU'RE not happy!"

26th August 2006, 12:48 AM	#110
Neve8128 Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 121	After reading all postings and having followed Soul Music since the early 70's I took ofense to some of coments made here but completely understand why some would thing of dance music as a bad thing since the little exposure most of main stream public have is to a crappy under-produced and tasteless dance music that are being put out by major labels in the U.S. due to the head of A&R people being out of touch with the reality happening in clubs worldwide. First of all, assuming that all DJ's don't know music theory and have no knowledge about putting music together is stereotypical comment without basis. Why? Do a seach on producers such as Masters at Work, Louie Vega, Louis Benedetti, and many others and listen to what they have been doing over the past decade or so. If you happen to find the discography of some of the above names you will likely find names such as George Benson, Roy Ayers, Luther Vandross and many other big acts that have worked and or co-produced music with some of them. Second, I've never done any drugs in my entire life not even smoked pot and like danceable Soul Music (I prefer to call dance music this way) There is a big dance music industry out there mostly outside the U.S. and many independent labels making money off of this genre. I kind of prefer that the main stream stay with the main stream and leave the undergound music for those who really appreciate and support it. Like in every genre there is good and bad music. To each their own.

26th August 2006, 01:14 AM	#111
auxpot Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 188	well said...

27th August 2006, 05:07 AM	#113
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,395	Anyone else think the genre has stagnated? I've been producing electronic music since the late '80's (coming from a pre-techno/industrial background). The 90's was an great period with TONS of innovation in EDM!! There were new sounds and styles being invented constantly. In my opinion, things have really become stale in the last 5 yrs. In the mid-90's, there was this excitement here in the states, and an anticipation that the whole dance culture would explode like in Europe. To the contrary, things seemed to fizzle out. Why?? I attribute it to several factors: the death and criminalization of rave culture (the "rave act" of 2002), independent labels' reluctance to release various genres and sticking with a sound that they were known for, the explosion of hip-hop, the marketplace getting over-saturated with mediocre records, the death of vinyl and independent record stores, the advent of mp3/illegal downloading, the aftermath of excessive drug use. Things go in cycles though, so let's hope there is a renaissance soon!

27th August 2006, 11:17 PM	#114
Reptil Gear Guru Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Uterèg statsie woar! Posts: 10,209	Yes, lets hope so. Also up to us! With brand new stuff! I also blame big industry and media trying to compromise and kill this new competition. And the "rave act" sucks, and should be abolished! Ridiculous to hunt ppl. down because they want to dance and celebrate life! __________________ For sale: BFE MK3d equaliser pair racked, Filtek equaliser last generation tight pair of mixing/mastering eqs in steel rack, with new PSU (230V) offers welcome - Woman, opening the door: Are you the police? Jake: No ma'm, we're musicians.

29th August 2006, 11:38 AM	#115
dlmorley Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,924	I've been making Electronic Music since the late 80's and it is a genre that I love because people truly love it for the music, not the image or persona. Half the time they have no clue what you look like or where you are from. So, yes, people love it :) Of course, there is a lot of shit around as anyone with a PC can in theory make electronic music and then release it (should be illegal ;) ) but there is plenty of stuff out there which is wonderful. Of course, it's at that point that it becomes irrelevant whether it is electronic or not. good music is good music.