Glitch Can it be done on mac?

[lu432]

Hey Guys,


I know that there are a few programs out there to create glitch effects, and help mangle drums. Currently I have a few clients that have been coming into my studio asking for glitch effects. So my studio is looking to purchase or obtain some freeware glitch programs. Any suggestions? And some reviews or and personal experiences with the program you are suggesting might also be helpful!

There are only a few rules about making a suggestion. We don't use the substadard Windows format . And they have to be compatible with OSX and run in Logic 7 or Pro Tools.


Thanks for your advice and time guys!

[cynic one]

Originally Posted by lu432

Hey Guys,


I know that there are a few programs out there to create glitch effects, and help mangle drums. Currently I have a few clients that have been coming into my studio asking for glitch effects. So my studio is looking to purchase or obtain some freeware glitch programs. Any suggestions? And some reviews or and personal experiences with the program you are suggesting might also be helpful!

There are only a few rules about making a suggestion. We don't use the substadard Windows format . And they have to be compatible with OSX and run in Logic 7 or Pro Tools.


Thanks for your advice and time guys!

the original way to glitch is bounce your audio, chop it into tiny fragments, and mangle by hand...then bounce again and repeat.

common mangling techniques:
stuttering, pitch shift, ring mod, rearranging the slices, effecting, bitcrushing

originators used to burn shit to a cd, scratch the **** out of it, and sample the output then chop that as well.

also, there are probably tons of reaktor ensembles suited for the job.

[octatonic]

+1 to doing it by hand.

[SWAN808]

SUGAR BYTES

[jahtao]

you got buffer override right?
Destroy FX: Buffer Override

And this one
Expert Sleepers - Meringue

[lu432]

That sugar - byes looks like exctly what we need! Thank you sir!!!!! I'll be buying it at the end of the week. Thanks again bro.

I will be looking at any other suggestions until then.

[d1rtynyc]

Logic has all the facilities you need to do that.
The bundled FX with some creative sample and audio editing work wonders.
If you want something in a plug-in to get you instant glitchiness you should get Stylus RMX and use the Chaos feature. That'll get cha glitchin'.

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by d1rtynyc

Logic has all the facilities you need to do that.
The bundled FX with some creative sample and audio editing work wonders.
If you want something in a plug-in to get you instant glitchiness you should get Stylus RMX and use the Chaos feature. That'll get cha glitchin'.

Effectrix has some very fun looping functions you cant do in Logic. It surprised me - its pretty fun - and works very smoothly.

[C Heat]

Transfuser.

[SonOfSteven]

Livecut is pretty cool

mdsp @ smartelectronix: LiveCut

[ignatius]

you can tweak things pretty good using some of the audiodamage plug ins. also, there are stand-alone apps like the freeware soundhack that do lot's of impressive things

there are actually a lot of ways to do it but often you'll get the best results chopping stuff by hand then re-sequencing it.

there are ways to 'glitch' samples in contact using scripts, you can mangle things in live if you sit w/it for a while.

if you have reaktor there are a jillion glitch type ensembles in the user library.

check out toybear's madshifta and smart electronix crazy ivan.

somewhere i saw a glitch plug for mac made in max/msp. there's grainlab as well. but you're just gonna end up editing it all anyways since it all ends up as sample fodder.

[Absent1]

I do not get why everyone wants a program to do that for them?

You tend to lose control with any of the ones I have messed with.

Where if it is done by hand you have control on the glitch in beat and can sync it way better.

Having said that I am still real curious to see if BT is ever going to release that plugin he has been in development with forever.

Cheers, Rob

[cl516]

came across this today, will check it out later

Gleechlab

[bleep]

i think alot of it is done with ableton live, u just set the loop points really close together to like 32nd notes and move the loop position back and forth through the wave file.
well that's one way .. i think alot of people just make patches in max msp..
etc. the thing is, most of the big " glitch" acts .. actually are glitching
in real time synced to the tempo of the song... coupled with filters...
and whatever else. most of these acts are just on stage with a laptop and a controller with some pads & knobs, sometimes up to four people.
downtempo to synthed out hiphop. alot of people are going this direction, sixtoo used to make organic (shadow/krush) type of stuff, and
is now on the glitch band wagon. i used to find it interesting but just
like the saturated hiphop sound of the late 90's early 2k, glitchhop
will soon be played imo.
here is an example of some of the current glitch acts. MySpace.com - BORETA - SAN FRANCISCO, US - Experimental / Hip Hop - www.myspace.com/boreta

[ignatius]

here's a couple of well known and very useful creative apps for all kinds of processing/improvising/realtime live performance/randomization/noodling/sample fodder creation etc. they take some time to explore but once you figure them out a bit you can accomplish a lot with them.

in the software section check out Drool String Ukelele, Camel Toe, Burnt Toast

Shawn Hatfield: Software authored in Max/Msp

[lu432]

Yeah I won't be wasting my time doing something by hand, when a plugin can do it. That just doesn't make sense for me or my clients.


To the guys who suggested the plugin... thank you. I just bought the effect plugin, and I am looking at another set of plugins just to have in case. Thanks again guys. And I am looking forward to anyone that reviews a collection of different glitch plugins.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by lu432

Yeah I won't be wasting my time doing something by hand, when a plugin can do it. That just doesn't make sense for me or my clients.


To the guys who suggested the plugin... thank you. I just bought the effect plugin, and I am looking at another set of plugins just to have in case. Thanks again guys. And I am looking forward to anyone that reviews a collection of different glitch plugins.

well, there is something to be said for doing it by hand as you will get different results and they'll be unique to your needs/style etc. it's easy to hear plug ins get overused because people do the most obvious things with them so you have to be creative or the 'fingerprint' of the plug in will come through loud and clear like autotune or something

i totally understand where you are coming from though. when time is money and you are trying to get ideas out fast for a client you have to be practical. if you're at home tweaking samples then of course you have no one to worry about but yourself and your own time.

i think you'll find that once you get your head around some of the plug ins out there that do a glitch type thing that you can get good results w/o being totally obvious. especially once you get into automation and routing/combining plug ins.

have fun w/your new plugs.

[Led]

[quote=lu432;2080444]Yeah I won't be wasting my time doing something by hand, when a plugin can do it. That just doesn't make sense for me or my clients.
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Well no it doesn't make any sense as long as you and your clients want everything to sound the same as every other lazy person who uses the same plugin presets. Interesting that you consider the time taken to create something original that nobody else will have as "a waste of time".
We used to have a bunch of dodgy leads we made up for glitching, along with a couple of really cheap cd players we blew a shitload of dust into that would skip in the most fantastic random ways....

[Johannes R.]

By hand you can achieve much more impressive results than using a plug-in only, believe me. But it takes more time obviously.
As Cynic said, bounce/chop/bounce again, use different tracks, one with reverb, another one with ring mod, another one panned hard left with bitcrusher for example.. Imho, this is the only proper way to obtain this sort of "micro-groove", when a plug in will only give you a random result ( which can be nice sometimes of course).

[Bitfiend]

google Glitch VST, it's free not sure if it runs on Mac though. Great little tool. Very user friendly as well.

[Tibbon]

Max/msp?

[filin]

Do it by hand you lazy pussy.

[gsilbers]

check out my post under electronic music

For those lookin to glitch.... GLeetlab

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by filin

Do it by hand you lazy pussy.

sometimes when your client is standing over your shoulder and paying you by the hour you don't really have time to get all micro edit freaky on a beat... or so i suspect.

since i _think_ the original poster is looking for something to use with clients in a commercial way that brings some restrictions into the equation as to what time + budget will allow.

at least this is what i suspect after reading through the original poster's er... posts.

i think some mixture of both plugs ins/stand alone apps and editing/doing it by hand works well.

for example.. jamming out w/a bunch of things and recording the output then going back and editing that into a sample map for your sampler of choice leads to all kinds of possibilities.

anyway- if you know what you are doing it's 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.

[lu432]

i totally understand where you are coming from though. when time is money and you are trying to get ideas out fast for a client you have to be practical. if you're at home tweaking samples then of course you have no one to worry about but yourself and your own time.

i think you'll find that once you get your head around some of the plug ins out there that do a glitch type thing that you can get good results w/o being totally obvious. especially once you get into automation and routing/combining plug ins.

Exactly!!!!!!

Do it by hand you lazy pussy.

You sound like my intern. Feel free to fetch my coffee anytime

Well no it doesn't make any sense as long as you and your clients want everything to sound the same as every other lazy person who uses the same plugin presets.

They pay my salary and they get what they want. I give my clients what they ask for in an efficent manner... being original doesn't mean having to give up efficency. But since your so cool.... You just continue to lecture people on "HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE".

i think alot of it is done with ableton live

Yeah, I have a few friends hardcore in to tech/minimal stuff that do it within Ableton. Which is a great little program. My client would freak though if we weren't using PT or Logic. To me it doesn't really make any difference, since I could make it sound good using just about anything, but,,, hey I am just here to accomodate him.

you got buffer override right?
Destroy FX: Buffer Override

And this one
Expert Sleepers - Meringue

Very cool. Thanks. And thanks Bleep as well. Very cool stuff on that page as well.

[jkamata]

to f*k things up i use:

chops in Live
Livecut
Buffer Overide
various Reaktor effects
Artillery 2
Arald efx 2

Things I have 2 use more is:

Soundhack
Michael Norris

[bleep]

t's not really done by hand that much any more... well during a live set at least...
it's usually a max/msp patch that's shared amongst each other.
u cannot edit like that in real time during a live set...
i am sure they use the same method during production as well.
i think it's a well kept secret to be honest.
i truly feel the majority of it is done with custom max/msp patches...

here is a link of a well known glitch crew...
and they all have a similar sound..
the glitching effect is done in all real time.
if anyone could pinpoint what is being used feel free to
drop some knowledge

MySpace.com - THE GLITCH MOB - US - Hip Hop - www.myspace.com/theglitchmob

[jbuehler]

This thread is ********.

Glitch and IDM are NOT supposed to be easy.....that is the point.....

If your clients want their music in the glitch genre, tell them to learn how to make it....

Furthermore, from the title of the thread, I imagine there is a severe lack of knowledge about electronic music genres by the poster so the answers we will give will for the most part be a waste; we as fans of the glitch.

I mean what would you expect if you went to a rock forum and asked, "I have glitch clients in the studio but they want some rock in their song so what are some good rock & roll plugs out there." And than say, "It MUST to sound good enough for paying clients AND be easy and fast."

Does that not sound ********?

[MonoBrow]

Reaktor 5 or max/msp is how i usually do it..but a little glitch vst comes händy sometimes.
Doing it by hand....did it..well i like it to be very randome sometimes.

[Bitfiend]

Hmm, no I don't think there is a misunderstanding (although I could be wrong - oh wait, on your part.....right, right.....). Yes there is a Glitch genre, I garnered from the post he wanted to chop up the drum parts/line (oh and it's difficult to write a good song/track in any genre).

Just because someone may do a process differently, by no means makes them lazy or inferior or anything of that nature.fuuck

I've spent just as much time setting up a plug in to chop up the drums as I have doing it manually. AND I’d lay a whole lotta money down on the fact that 99% of all of us, blindfolded, would have no idea which was which.

Many plug-ins have been mentioned both free and for $. As for Live, an absolutely brilliant tool. the drum rack in 7 is astounding! I've been DJ'ing with it since Live 2 and have more recently started to expand into producing with it (although I mainly use Cubase still).
There are several native plug ins that would really impress you do to what you're looking for; the down side, you have to buy Live 7 (meaning that's prolly a bit more than you were looking to spend to solve this one issue).

And you are absolutely right lu432, when its someone else's dime it's gotta get done in the most efficient way with the best results........
there are many more things in the process I'm sure your client would rather spend more money on.

Hmm what about Battery.......anyone tried it with that?