Analog Factory - Arturia

Nu Mixer · 16th May 2008, 05:55 PM

This seems like an amazing value. Like the most bang-for-buck in soft synths. Especially since I'm not a heavy knob-tweaker.

How are the sounds compared to the best of the best softsynths?

Any feedback appreciated!

JDN · 16th May 2008, 08:39 PM

I was looking at this, but went with the arturia v collection instead....It's a little more, but you have EVERYTHING they make. The novelty of the controller didn't outweigh having the actuall full versioins of each.

Even if you're more of a preset guy there's plenty more in the v collection, and especially if you aren't much of a knob tweaker, not much use for the little controller

Pip · 16th May 2008, 11:18 PM

Yup - Me to

Nu Mixer · 17th May 2008, 01:06 AM

Price is $189 versus $489. Thought it would be nice to have them all in one plug as well.

JDN · 17th May 2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nu Mixer

Price is $189 versus $489. Thought it would be nice to have them all in one plug as well.

that is an attractive pricepoint. I could be totally wrong, but something just doesn't sit right about this product. How can it really have all these presets from all 6 of their virtual analog synths without incorporating each of those synth engines. I just dont' get it cause obviously it doesn't actually have those full synth engines.....If anybody know's, it sure like to know

is it like an emulator of an emulator?????

Nu Mixer · 17th May 2008, 03:07 AM

<< is it like an emulator of an emulator????? >>

yeah i was wondering about that too. How they cram all the code into a single plug-in. I assume there's no reduction of quality-- just in terms of editing.

JDN · 17th May 2008, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu Mixer

<< is it like an emulator of an emulator????? >>

yeah i was wondering about that too. How they cram all the code into a single plug-in. I assume there's no reduction of quality-- just in terms of editing.

I wouldn't be sure...I'll try and look into it for you, now that i have the v collection, and I already have the analog factory demo, I can try comparing a few of the same presets.

Dr.Wu · 17th May 2008, 06:26 AM

AFAIK the Analog Factory is using the same "engines" but it doesnt give you access to the complete GUI.
One could argue that the differences between those emulations isnt that big anyway.
After all most of the emulated synths are all based on substractive synthesis with some differences in the available modroutings and some of the oscillator waveforms (Prophet VS) so Arturia is probably basing all of their synth on the same core engine anyway and just modifies it for each emulation.
That said i still think that both packages are a very good bargain.
But personally i prefer the Gmedia stuff when it comes to emulations.

JDN · 17th May 2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Wu

AFAIK the Analog Factory is using the same "engines" but it doesnt give you access to the complete GUI.
One could argue that the differences between those emulations isnt that big anyway.
After all most of the emulated synths are all based on substractive synthesis with some differences in the available modroutings and some of the oscillator waveforms (Prophet VS) so Arturia is probably basing all of their synth on the same core engine anyway and just modifies it for each emulation.
That said i still think that both packages are a very good bargain.
But personally i prefer the Gmedia stuff when it comes to emulations.

i completely dissagree with you. I hesitate to even give this an answer. yes most of the emulated synths are based on subtractive synthesis, but they're based on very specific instruments, all that have their own character WAY beyond the differences of mod routings etc. I can't imagine they used the same templates for each, and just added some routing differences here, a few different filters there, etc. granted, these are emulations, but the magic in the original hardware synths was not nearly as basic as different FEATURES of each synth, but an overall CHARACTER and sound of each synth, which i believe they rather successfully captured with some of their models. I mean listen to roland strings vs korg strings, vs moog strings, vs prophet 5 strings...it's not just about features and different parameters and routing, there's an overall character.

I for one, having been a past jupiter owner, thought they did an excellent job(except with the unison mode...which was a let down)

FYI, i liked the gmedia imposcar, but not the minimonsta so much

Dr.Wu · 17th May 2008, 08:57 AM

no doubt that the originals all had their distinctive character although they were mostly based on the same basic architecture.
Backontopic- i am pretty sure whatever the differences between those Arturia engines might be they were all implemented in the Analog Factory just as in their new hardwaresynth.

JDN · 17th May 2008, 09:02 AM

ok, just did a quick a/b comparrison and here's my take in a very quick, manor.

I pulled up a couple of the analog factory presets and compared them side by side in logic with their full counterparts. a few presets sounded identicle. A couple sounded not quite identicle, but upon further tweaking in analog factory of filter and resonance, they sounded pretty much the same.

my guess is same synth engine, but the tweakble parameters like filter and resonance didn't always translate to the same settings as the original....no biggie in my opinion, as when tweaked, they do pretty much sound identicle.

I'm not a computer programmer, don't know how they did it, but i'm guessing each of the synths original engines are represented in analog factory, though i'm not sure how you can capture the presets without the full routing and modulation etc.

Interestingly, in my quick test, i couldn't actually find many of the analog factory presets in their full version counterparts, i'm not sure if they have different presets or i didn't look hard enough, as the naming conventions are slightly different, in the full versions there are often programmers names associated with the preset name, and in analog factory it seems to be just the preset names. I was under the impression analog factory contained selected presets from each library, not ones that aren't included in the originals library. If that's the case, that's a little lame

I still really enjoy the v collection and think it's worth it, as i enjoy analog synthesis and the process of making sounds and like tweaking more than the minimal parameters availible on analog factory. it seems like with analog factory you get a LOT of presets, that you can tweak minimally, whereass the counterparts offer a rich pallet beyond the fixed presets

my 2 cents

SWAN808 · 17th May 2008, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu Mixer

This seems like an amazing value. Like the most bang-for-buck in soft synths. Especially since I'm not a heavy knob-tweaker.

How are the sounds compared to the best of the best softsynths?

Any feedback appreciated!

I think its a great start in getting loads of decent analogue emulation sounds. Nice package with its keyboard. Not too much to get bogged down with programming-wise. To be honest I dont like programming softsynths too much-so having a few knobs on a corresponding box is a neat solution. I would go for it - but you can try the demo first?

I very much doubt there is any difference between the AF and full discrete versions.

Nu Mixer · 17th May 2008, 11:52 PM

<< I pulled up a couple of the analog factory presets and compared them side by side in logic with their full counterparts. a few presets sounded identicle. A couple sounded not quite identicle, but upon further tweaking in analog factory of filter and resonance, they sounded pretty much the same. >>

Cool, thanks for the info!

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16th May 2008, 08:39 PM	#2
JDN Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 494	I was looking at this, but went with the arturia v collection instead....It's a little more, but you have EVERYTHING they make. The novelty of the controller didn't outweigh having the actuall full versioins of each. Even if you're more of a preset guy there's plenty more in the v collection, and especially if you aren't much of a knob tweaker, not much use for the little controller

16th May 2008, 11:18 PM	#3
Pip Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 90	Yup - Me to

17th May 2008, 01:06 AM	#4
Nu Mixer Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 191	Price is $189 versus $489. Thought it would be nice to have them all in one plug as well.

17th May 2008, 03:07 AM	#6
Nu Mixer Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 191	<< is it like an emulator of an emulator????? >> yeah i was wondering about that too. How they cram all the code into a single plug-in. I assume there's no reduction of quality-- just in terms of editing.

17th May 2008, 06:26 AM	#8
Dr.Wu Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 379	AFAIK the Analog Factory is using the same "engines" but it doesnt give you access to the complete GUI. One could argue that the differences between those emulations isnt that big anyway. After all most of the emulated synths are all based on substractive synthesis with some differences in the available modroutings and some of the oscillator waveforms (Prophet VS) so Arturia is probably basing all of their synth on the same core engine anyway and just modifies it for each emulation. That said i still think that both packages are a very good bargain. But personally i prefer the Gmedia stuff when it comes to emulations.

17th May 2008, 08:57 AM	#10
Dr.Wu Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 379	no doubt that the originals all had their distinctive character although they were mostly based on the same basic architecture. Backontopic- i am pretty sure whatever the differences between those Arturia engines might be they were all implemented in the Analog Factory just as in their new hardwaresynth.

17th May 2008, 09:02 AM	#11
JDN Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 494	ok, just did a quick a/b comparrison and here's my take in a very quick, manor. I pulled up a couple of the analog factory presets and compared them side by side in logic with their full counterparts. a few presets sounded identicle. A couple sounded not quite identicle, but upon further tweaking in analog factory of filter and resonance, they sounded pretty much the same. my guess is same synth engine, but the tweakble parameters like filter and resonance didn't always translate to the same settings as the original....no biggie in my opinion, as when tweaked, they do pretty much sound identicle. I'm not a computer programmer, don't know how they did it, but i'm guessing each of the synths original engines are represented in analog factory, though i'm not sure how you can capture the presets without the full routing and modulation etc. Interestingly, in my quick test, i couldn't actually find many of the analog factory presets in their full version counterparts, i'm not sure if they have different presets or i didn't look hard enough, as the naming conventions are slightly different, in the full versions there are often programmers names associated with the preset name, and in analog factory it seems to be just the preset names. I was under the impression analog factory contained selected presets from each library, not ones that aren't included in the originals library. If that's the case, that's a little lame I still really enjoy the v collection and think it's worth it, as i enjoy analog synthesis and the process of making sounds and like tweaking more than the minimal parameters availible on analog factory. it seems like with analog factory you get a LOT of presets, that you can tweak minimally, whereass the counterparts offer a rich pallet beyond the fixed presets my 2 cents

17th May 2008, 11:52 PM	#13
Nu Mixer Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 191	<< I pulled up a couple of the analog factory presets and compared them side by side in logic with their full counterparts. a few presets sounded identicle. A couple sounded not quite identicle, but upon further tweaking in analog factory of filter and resonance, they sounded pretty much the same. >> Cool, thanks for the info!