Sampling Audio From Movies?

[heartbeat]

Hey all,

What do you reckon is the best way to sample audio from movies playing on your computer? Thanks.

Harry

[Fluxpod]

A dvd player and some input digital or analog on some soundcard.And dont forget sample cleaning;).

[DivineChemical]

Just pick up a small DVD player and hook it directly to your sampler. Makes things so much easier and cleaner.

[heartbeat]

is there any way to keep it entirely in the box? I'd rather just be able to rip audio from my internal DVD player?

[Jim Stout]

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[Gryten]

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[Acid Hazard]

I rip the audio tracks from the DVDs direct to disc. I then load it in Sound Forge and will sit for hours listening to the audio. Picking up on the odd sounds and spoken tid bits you miss while being distracted by the video. I think this is the best way to gather unique sounds.

[Reptil]

if you have a converter that allows a signal to be routed back in, like the RME Totalmix, you can use that.

Also don't forget sample cleaRing if it's for commercial release and clearly recognisable..

[TRW]

Originally Posted by Acid Hazard

I rip the audio tracks from the DVDs direct to disc. I then load it in Sound Forge and will sit for hours listening to the audio. Picking up on the odd sounds and spoken tid bits you miss while being distracted by the video. I think this is the best way to gather unique sounds.

What are you using to rip the audio - just curious?

Thanks T

[Acid Hazard]

Xilisoft DVD Audio Ripper

[TRW]

Thanks...

will check it out.
-T

[Stevil]

my soundcard (creamware scope) creates a driver pool so multiple audio programs can play & capture @ the same time & be routed pretty much any way i can dream up. i can play something in a media player & capture in soundforge @ the same time with no issues.

[eyezenears]

my old soundblaster way great for this! never thought I'd be reminiscing about the SBlive! Ofcourse not the right quality but it had a 'record what you hear' function which was handy, sometimes i used it as well as my motu just for this purpose. Another option may be to import the movie into a DAW eg Cubase and record what you hear using TapeIT. Or if your on windows use 'Windows Movie Maker' where you can split the audio from the video.
-I'm sure you could do the job with whats lying around.
Someone also once told me here that KVR was my friend.. I'm not sure what they meant by that but you may want to search through that KVR: Virtual Instruments, Virtual Effects, VST Plugins, Audio Units (AU), DirectX (DX), Universal Binary Compatibility - Audio Plugin News, Reviews and Community

[maim9]

Originally Posted by Reptil

Also don't forget sample cleaRing if it's for commercial release and clearly recognisable..

Do most artists actually do this, and what are the chances of getting into legal trouble if you don't? This article says that - for all practical purposes - it's impossible to get samples cleared, but at the same time we all know that most, if not all, big industrial acts have at some point in their career been sampling in huge amounts..

I'm just asking, because I can't seem to find any real info on this. Sorry if it's a bit off topic, but I guess it's somehow a point for everyone doing music with samples..

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by maim9

Do most artists actually do this, and what are the chances of getting into legal trouble if you don't? This article says that - for all practical purposes - it's impossible to get samples cleared, but at the same time we all know that most, if not all, big industrial acts have at some point in their career been sampling in huge amounts..

I would say dialogue is a no-no.
Abstract sounds and fx you could probably get away with.
If a record hits the charts or receives significant airplay, you'd better have your samples cleared.
If it's going to be played in a handful of clubs, you'll probably get away with it.
In the end, I think most artists are moving away from using so much ripped audio.

[DivineChemical]

Originally Posted by maim9

Do most artists actually do this, and what are the chances of getting into legal trouble if you don't? This article says that - for all practical purposes - it's impossible to get samples cleared, but at the same time we all know that most, if not all, big industrial acts have at some point in their career been sampling in huge amounts..

I'm just asking, because I can't seem to find any real info on this. Sorry if it's a bit off topic, but I guess it's somehow a point for everyone doing music with samples..

It depends on how big a hit you have on your hands. For all intents and purposes, the movie houses have the right to sue the shit out of you, but they'll rarely go after you unless you have a huge hit on your hands and are making tons of money at their expense. Frontline Assembly made a whole album that pretty much tore apart the movie "Falling Down" and then artists like Velvet Acid Christ sample every movie dialog they can get their hands on, refuse to even attempt to get their samples cleared, and then never receive and backlash from it.

[maim9]

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

It depends on how big a hit you have on your hands. For all intents and purposes, the movie houses have the right to sue the shit out of you, but they'll rarely go after you unless you have a huge hit on your hands and are making tons of money at their expense. Frontline Assembly made a whole album that pretty much tore apart the movie "Falling Down" and then artists like Velvet Acid Christ sample every movie dialog they can get their hands on, refuse to even attempt to get their samples cleared, and then never receive and backlash from it.

Front Line Assembly and Velvet Acid Christ were exactly the ones I was thinking of.. Funny thing is, I posted basically this same question in the VAC forum, and wow - surprise, surprise - my post was deleted almost instantly.

[Acid Hazard]

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

Frontline Assembly made a whole album that pretty much tore apart the movie "Falling Down"

No, we are not the same. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole!

[DivineChemical]

Originally Posted by maim9

Front Line Assembly and Velvet Acid Christ were exactly the ones I was thinking of.. Funny thing is, I posted basically this same question in the VAC forum, and wow - surprise, surprise - my post was deleted almost instantly.

[sarcasm]*gasp* You mean one of his 'fans' was looking to do music as a profession, was looking for professional advice, and refused to answer the call for advice for fear that any monkey could be greater than him!?[/sarcasm]

For real fun, you should go back there and bring up how digital synths are an important part of the history of electronic music!

[DivineChemical]

Originally Posted by Acid Hazard

No, we are not the same. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole!

I think it's humorous how Bill Leeb hates that album because 'the label forced him to do it' and yet when I went to go see FLA year before last, the set list included the large majority of that album. The mosh pit that broke out when Millennium progressed beyond that opening guitar line was just ****ing insane!!!

[maim9]

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

[sarcasm]*gasp* You mean one of his 'fans' was looking to do music as a profession, was looking for professional advice, and refused to answer the call for advice for fear that any monkey could be greater than him!?[/sarcasm]

For real fun, you should go back there and bring up how digital synths are an important part of the history of electronic music!

Haha, something like that.. :)

Well, I was in fact only curious about his thoughts on this, since he is by far the most sample-excessive artist I know of. I sort of respect his wish if he doesn't want to talk about it. After all, it's his private forum. On the other hand: What I don't get, is why he invites people to discuss things like gear, and then bans and deletes to the left and right whenever someone mentions for example - god forbid - digital synths, or disagrees with him in any other way

[Beermaster]

Dear old Hex, He's passionate but does spout some utter bollocks sometimes ha ha - bless.

Re: sampling movie sountracks -well in the comfort of your own home who's gonna know or care ? but going much further than that is a huge risk. Movie Sountracks are another world of trouble compared to sampling a commercial CD track ( which is bad enough if you're caught )

With a Movie Soundtrack you're dealing with not only the Copyright of the muisc, The copyright of the Recordiing of the music, The Copyright script. The copyright of the dialogue recording, The Grand Rights of the theatrical production, the permision of the film company, the permission of the production company, the actors rights.etc etc Just one BIG mass of trouble Thats why it hard to get clearance on all of these levels

If VAC got away with it then they're lucky for now or they're considered not of a financial interest to press charges - tho these companies can blink an eyelid and enforce an injunction on sales and pressings.

Have fun but understand the limits of use.

[Stevil]

Originally Posted by maim9

...but at the same time we all know that most, if not all, big industrial acts have at some point in their career been sampling in huge amounts..

keep in mind that "BIG" industrial acts are way off the financial radar of the movie industry. we're talking about bands that move a few thousand units & draw a few hundred heads to a show. the possible money they could extract from these bands is probably way less than the cost of the team of lawyers theyd hire to investgate & audit the bands.

ultimately i think it works as low level "street promotion" for the film. so unless a track winds up in a commercial or the top 10 pop charts, i think it'll stay under the radar. SP has had a track or 2 removed from an album due to sample clearance but i think that was when they were on a major label & going by the book.
it's a case of getting caught though. & the more money you generate off a product, the more attention you attract, the more likely you are to get sued.