used moog rogue or new little phatty?

[john o]

i was planning to purchase a little phatty this month and a voyager in another few months. the option for a used moog rogue for $500 has come up though. . will this tide me over a few months till i get the voyager? or better to just go for the phatty? i'm looking for a variety of synth sources to get huge bass synth sounds. .

[Jazzpunk]

I'm assuming you've spent some time with the Phatty. Have you explored the Rogue? Which synth do you like better? Both synths are dope so, provided that the Rogue is in good shape, I don't think you can go wrong either way.

Since you're planning on adding a Voyager into the mix, I'd probably go for the Rogue just to mix it up a bit.

[DivineChemical]

Get the Rogue. It's got a more aggressive sound than the Phatty, so I think it would compliment the Voyager a lot better.

[reedosi]

I hate the Voyager & the Phatty with a blistering hatred that could cause me to commit violent crimes, but...

The Rogue is a very disappointing synth. They tried to do a "classic" overdrive sound that just wound up making the thing mushy in any working man's mix.

My suggestion, go to door number 3 & get a Prodigy, and then save up for an original Minimoog. I will not do the Voyager any service by referring to the Minimoog as a "Model D."

[analogbass]

I've owned all the major vintage Moogs, and the Rogue's an excellent representation of classic Moog sounds in a small package that's easily midied. It's worth buying and becoming familiar with, then if possible buy the Phatty and compare directly. What i think you'll find is that they're similar in some ways and different in others, making it hard to part with either. Either one can then be sold if needed later at a minimal loss.

[keybdwizrd]

I've got a Little Phatty, and I had a Rogue for 20+ years until I sold it last week.

Both are capable of making reasonably decent synth bass sounds. But both pale, dramatically, in comparison to those produced by my Prophet '08 and Virus TI.

Personally, I wouldn't use the word "huge" to describe sounds produced by either the Rogue or LP.

All of this, obviously, is highly dependent upon the particular sounds you're looking for, and what kind of music you compose/play.

[chrisso]

I checked your vids.
The Rogue sounds pretty nice, especially for $500.
I slightly prefer it to the LP in your comparison.
YouTube - keybdwizrd - Moog Rogue and Little Phatty Comparison

[Acid Hazard]

Look at it this way... if you buy the Rogue, and don't like it. You can sell it off to some hipster/emo tard for triple what you paid for it =o]

[john o]

Originally Posted by keybdwizrd

I've got a Little Phatty, and I had a Rogue for 20+ years until I sold it last week.

Both are capable of making reasonably decent synth bass sounds. But both pale, dramatically, in comparison to those produced by my Prophet '08 and Virus TI.

Personally, I wouldn't use the word "huge" to describe sounds produced by either the Rogue or LP.

All of this, obviously, is highly dependent upon the particular sounds you're looking for, and what kind of music you compose/play.

cool i'll check out the prophet '08. i saw one today but didn't spend too much time with it, it wasn't immediately intuitive to me and i didn't know it was worth exploring. i'm in big room electro, the sound is all about distorted analogue synths right now. i like the virus TI a lot as well but prefer the voyager. i think i'll skip getting a phatty and go straight for the voyager rack, its not too much more in the big picture. .

[john o]

Originally Posted by Acid Hazard

Look at it this way... if you buy the Rogue, and don't like it. You can sell it off to some hipster/emo tard for triple what you paid for it =o]

haha making money off of hipster emos is what i do!

[john o]

also what do you think of micromoog vs. the rogue?

[JDN]

Originally Posted by reedosi

I hate the Voyager & the Phatty with a blistering hatred that could cause me to commit violent crimes, but...

The Rogue is a very disappointing synth. They tried to do a "classic" overdrive sound that just wound up making the thing mushy in any working man's mix.

My suggestion, go to door number 3 & get a Prodigy, and then save up for an original Minimoog. I will not do the Voyager any service by referring to the Minimoog as a "Model D."

I guess to each his own, having owned several moogs over the years, the prodigy is probably my least favorite....I put the rouge very solid and middle of the road. To give you examples of my taste, I LOVE the micrommog(filter mod by osc, and filter mode can get some amazing results), not a big fan of the moog source...the prodigy was useless to me

[whitepapagold]

The little Phatty is a complete piece of crap. Its sounds muddy and terrible relatively speaking. I have a model D and when I played the Phatty I was blown away at how BAD it was... Seriously offended at that POS!

The littly phatty is just a 2nd rate synth exploiting Bob Moogs name! Don't believe ANY of the hype- its a JOKE of a synth.

[rjd2]

another rogue owner here, voting rogue over micromoog and LP.

it has a character that just cant be duplicated in another synth manufacturer ive found, including new moogs. i a/b'ed my 3 osc dotcom system to it, and saying one is better than the other is silly. the rogue has a special tonal character to it that i couldnt duplicate on the modular.

played a LP once, didnt care for it. YMMV.

[rachel]

I get to play Devil's Advocate....


I have both the Phatty and the MiniMoog. As I said once a few weeks ago, they overlap,
but then they also cover different sounds. Minimoog is more raw and at the same time
subtle. And those oscillators and filter combination sound like nothing else.

Phatty is not so much tamer, but more precise. The sound is a bit cleaner but it still
has the Moog growl. If it sounds dull, it's what is being done to the sound, as mine
seems to have a fairly wide range of sounds.

In the end, I always lusted after a Moog Source, which is basically what a Phatty is,
when you look at it with squinty eyes. Very similar sound architecture and
a very straightforward synth with a big sound. Never buy a Source without sourcing (sic) a new
membrane panel for it or you will be disappointed. That said, the Prodigy for $500 is a steal
and you can get that and have something else in the Moog collection 3 months from now....

(edit) I just realised you were talking about a Rogue.... The Prodigy is a great MiniMoog stand in.
The Rogue is not really an outstanding synth at all. It has a very cheapened design format
and a lot of corners cut in its construction. Perhaps the Rogue is worth $500, but not much more.
As I said, Source, prodigy, etc....

rachel

[goldphinga]

Originally Posted by whitepapagold

The little Phatty is a complete piece of crap. Its sounds muddy and terrible relatively speaking. I have a model D and when I played the Phatty I was blown away at how BAD it was... Seriously offended at that POS!

The littly phatty is just a 2nd rate synth exploiting Bob Moogs name! Don't believe ANY of the hype- its a JOKE of a synth.

If you do your research you'd see that the LP is a Bob Moog design that was completed by Cyril Lance and the Moog engineering team who worked alongside Bob up until he died. The basic design is Bobs despite what you might think.When will people like yourself stop harking back to the past and stop comparing every synth to the model D minimoog! The Phatty is not a mini and neither is the Voyager. They borrow from its basic design but are new designs with their own unique characters.Whilst you are busy insulting Moogs hard work, there are thousands of people very happy with their purchase. Im one of them and i have many other Moogs to compare to and to call the LP muddy and a piece of crap especially is just childish to say the least. The LP holds it own against my Source,Voyager and Memorymoog. Maybe you should get your hearing checked..seriously.

[dan p]

I've read many posts about all the moogs here at GS.Side by side there are some differences.Once they are tracked onto your fav recording medium within an arrangement i wonder if one can tell what's old and what's new?Its like the guy who can tell a difference between stomp boxes and if they have a battery or are powered by a wall wart,i think his name is Eric Johnson,great great guitar player.


Dan P

[kingofswing]

Originally Posted by whitepapagold

The little Phatty is a complete piece of crap. Its sounds muddy and terrible relatively speaking. I have a model D and when I played the Phatty I was blown away at how BAD it was... Seriously offended at that POS!

The littly phatty is just a 2nd rate synth exploiting Bob Moogs name! Don't believe ANY of the hype- its a JOKE of a synth.

Just how can you reach to such a wrong conclusion

The Phatty has a great sound...period, and I have compared it to a Voyager keyboard a few times. To me they both have a difference, but lets not forget the Minimoog and the Voyager feature a 3rd oscillator, which is why some people just prefer the extra dimension. The voyager also uses a dual filter design, but the 'overload' feature in the LP is really cool, it makes for some nice raspy sounds. Where does this synth fall short?

It's not like the Little Phatty is so out of reach compared to a Voyager. For the price the LP is pretty hard to beat for a Moog synth.

[keybdwizrd]

Originally Posted by chrisso

I checked your vids.
The Rogue sounds pretty nice, especially for $500.
I slightly prefer it to the LP in your comparison.
YouTube - keybdwizrd - Moog Rogue and Little Phatty Comparison

If you read the comments it seems like many people agree with you. However, I'm an old fogey (relatively), into more traditional music, and I had little use for the Rogue, especially since it has no MIDI and no patch memory. I prefer silky-smooth synths to gritty ones.

It should also be noted that in this video I created sounds on the Rogue first and then tried to recreate them on the LP. It is easier to do this (than the other way around) because the Rogue is relatively limited as compared to the LP.

Back in the 80's I had a Rogue and a Korg Poly 800, mostly because they were about the cheapest synths money could buy, and I had very little money. They were considered by many to be toys, as opposed to "real" synths like the Korg Mono/Poly, Memory Moog, MiniMoog, and a whole bunch of other keyboards that I couldn't afford.

If I never see a Rogue again for the rest of my life, that'll be fine with me. I understand that younger folks may find them interesting artifacts left over from what was perhaps the golden age of analog synths, but to me they're just a relatively weak little synth that I tolerated for way too long. But to each his (or her) own....

[dan p]

Very well said wizard,and i agree with you.I think us older guys who have been playin for a long time,I'm 50,have valid points and yours is taken wholeheartedly here.I like your demos too.
I am not country but west coast, born in da East man!
Good Day ay!Virus and model d moog player here too!


Dan P

[AgentSanchez]

Originally Posted by reedosi

I hate the Voyager & the Phatty with a blistering hatred that could cause me to commit violent crimes, but...

The Rogue is a very disappointing synth. They tried to do a "classic" overdrive sound that just wound up making the thing mushy in any working man's mix.

My suggestion, go to door number 3 & get a Prodigy, and then save up for an original Minimoog. I will not do the Voyager any service by referring to the Minimoog as a "Model D."

And yet, this is all totally irrelevant, given the actual question posed.

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by goldphinga

If you do your research you'd see that the LP is a Bob Moog design that was completed by Cyril Lance and the Moog engineering team who worked alongside Bob up until he died. The basic design is Bobs despite what you might think.When will people like yourself stop harking back to the past and stop comparing every synth to the model D minimoog! The Phatty is not a mini and neither is the Voyager. They borrow from its basic design but are new designs with their own unique characters.Whilst you are busy insulting Moogs hard work, there are thousands of people very happy with their purchase. Im one of them and i have many other Moogs to compare to and to call the LP muddy and a piece of crap especially is just childish to say the least. The LP holds it own against my Source,Voyager and Memorymoog. Maybe you should get your hearing checked..seriously.

Great post!

[carbon111]

To my ears, the Rogue and LP are extremely close to each other. I describe some of the main parallels here: moog_lp.html

I had an original Minimoog in the studio for a time and thought the LP compared rather favorably as well, though it was far more "polite" than the Mini.

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by whitepapagold

The little Phatty is a complete piece of crap. Its sounds muddy and terrible relatively speaking. I have a model D and when I played the Phatty I was blown away at how BAD it was... Seriously offended at that POS!

The littly phatty is just a 2nd rate synth exploiting Bob Moogs name! Don't believe ANY of the hype- its a JOKE of a synth.

Reading this post I can only conclude either;

A) You have suffered irreparable hearing damage or

B) The filter on the Phatty was completely closed and it never dawned on you to adjust it.

Either way, my sincere condolences go out to you.

[whitepapagold]

Originally Posted by goldphinga

When will people like yourself stop harking back to the past and stop comparing every synth to the model D minimoog!.

When they stop CALLING IT ONE... (the voyager) If MOOG didn't keep riding its own history, it would be different- so you are either ignorant or ignoring that the company you defend HAS MADE IT THAT WAY. Or am I missing what a minimoog old skool is supposed to be... Or what the Voyager was supposed to be.... 90% of people who want a moog is BECAUSE of its history and MOOG takes complete advantage of that. I can't believe you claim its not supposed to be a minimoog- its fing called A MINIMOOG VOYAGER...

The little phatty is crap. Wether he was PART of the design team or not- that is no moog, just based off build quality- you can quote Moog marketing all you want. It sounds bad for a MOOG, and its built like a TOY. I love phatty owners trying to argue different... Its not like I didn't WANT to like the new STABLE and replaceable moog that DOESN'T now go for 2500+ to be any good. Sadly- Its not. It sounds like crap.

Its sad when people like you insist on blowing smoke and then claim none has been blown. So don't claim your Moog website malarky- the Phatty sucks.

And to all you other sheep, enjoy your Phattys cause if you knew what they were SUPPOSED to sound like, you would be pissed! You can call me what you will, but there is no doubt to its sonic inferiority. Enjoy your monophonic toys!

Flame on! Nobody likes to spend 1200 bucks on crap and then be told so!

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by whitepapagold

Its sad when people like you insist on blowing smoke and then claim none has been blown. So don't claim your Moog website malarky- the Phatty sucks.

And to all you other sheep, enjoy your Phattys cause if you knew what they were SUPPOSED to sound like, you would be pissed! You can call me what you will, but there is no doubt to its sonic inferiority. Enjoy your monophonic toys!

Flame on! Nobody likes to spend 1200 bucks on crap and then be told so!

I'm a big fan of Goldphinga's playing and his new record speaks volumes as to what can be done with both vintage as well as modern Moog instruments.

Any one of the tracks on his album could spread it's cheeks and take a giant, nut riddled dump all over your rediculous rant!

[kingofswing]

Originally Posted by whitepapagold

When they stop CALLING IT ONE... (the voyager) If MOOG didn't keep riding its own history, it would be different- so you are either ignorant or ignoring that the company you defend HAS MADE IT THAT WAY. Or am I missing what a minimoog old skool is supposed to be... Or what the Voyager was supposed to be.... 90% of people who want a moog is BECAUSE of its history and MOOG takes complete advantage of that. I can't believe you claim its not supposed to be a minimoog- its fing called A MINIMOOG VOYAGER...

The little phatty is crap. Wether he was PART of the design team or not- that is no moog, just based off build quality- you can quote Moog marketing all you want. It sounds bad for a MOOG, and its built like a TOY. I love phatty owners trying to argue different... Its not like I didn't WANT to like the new STABLE and replaceable moog that DOESN'T now go for 2500+ to be any good. Sadly- Its not. It sounds like crap.

Its sad when people like you insist on blowing smoke and then claim none has been blown. So don't claim your Moog website malarky- the Phatty sucks.

And to all you other sheep, enjoy your Phattys cause if you knew what they were SUPPOSED to sound like, you would be pissed! You can call me what you will, but there is no doubt to its sonic inferiority. Enjoy your monophonic toys!

Flame on! Nobody likes to spend 1200 bucks on crap and then be told so!

I agree with you now...seeing as you made it so clear that the LP is totally crap...it really must be

I mean the LP is so crap that I turn the POS on almost every day to reassure myself that I hate the damn thing so much that I must sell it on. But I have had mine for almost a year, it really must go now...as you say it's total crap.

Cheers for lending your super ears. Just what was I thinking with that crappy LP...total POS?

Thanks again.

ps: I forgot to mention that I am also deaf, the LP killed my hearing too.

[dan p]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

I'm a big fan of Goldphinga's playing and his new record speaks volumes as to what can be done with both vintage as well as modern Moog instruments.

Any one of the tracks on his album could spread it's cheeks and take a giant, nut riddled dump all over your rediculous rant!

I pulled up Goldphingas stuff on myspace and its all good,agree with you, and whitepapa's got optorectimitus which tends to give you a sh**ty outlook on life.I have no problem with any of the moogs,i like the sound of them and i got the model d in my studio ay!

Dan P

[Bhang]

I wouldn't bother with the rogue. The rogue ... no midi and mediocre sound. If you want a moog go for a voyager. I own a Rogue and a voyager and from what I read the little phatty sounds like a souped up rogue. There is absolutely NO contest with these two little guys when compared to a real minimoog. Get the voyager. If your patient and look on ebay you can pick up a rack for a good price. For what you pay for a Rogue or for a Little Phatty your well on your way to a real synth.

[DivineChemical]

Originally Posted by john o

also what do you think of micromoog vs. the rogue?

That's a tough call. I like the Rogue, but there's something just evil about the Micromoog's filters. I haven't gotten to spend as much time with a Micromoog as I'd like to, but from the short time I have spent with it, I love it.