Sherman Filterbank 2

DarkPlasma · 14th April 2008

Hi Guys,

Wanted to get some more feedback on the Sherman.

I heard samples and it sounds amazing...really phat and analog. Something that would compliment my gear perfactly. I have been after a really nice external filter for a while, and found the Mutronics Mutator and then found out it 'just' went out of production

SOO looking at the Sherman...i have read some thoughts that it is very experimental and that 'achieving a simple sweep can be quite difficult'..

Does anyone here have one? Can you provide some input on that?

Thanks a lot!

theque · 14th April 2008

yes a simple sweep is not so easy, and only 12 db. so if you are looking for something like a synthesisers filter not really the go. but it is crazy and weird but makes some nice sounds

Stisse · 14th April 2008

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Originally Posted by n***N

Hi Guys,
I heard samples and it sounds amazing...really phat and analog. Something that would compliment my gear perfactly. I have been after a really nice external filter for a while, and found the Mutronics Mutator and then found out it 'just' went out of production

SOO looking at the Sherman...i have read some thoughts that it is very experimental and that 'achieving a simple sweep can be quite difficult'..

The Filterbanks (there are a number of revisions by now) are very different from your regular synth filter. I'm no techie so I'll explain things more emotionally =). Parameters seem to be intertwined in the Filterbank which means that knobs alter the sound very differently depending on where the other knobs are. Move a few knobs just a couple of mm and you get radical changes, and you probably won't find your way back.... Am I being vague? When I decided to go for the Filterbank I tried a few boxes, including the Mutator. The Mutator, as I remember it, was a very nice sounding, but bread'n'butter filter. The Filterbank is anything but bread'n'butter, but that's also its strength in my opinion. You never know what's going to come out of that thing which means that there seem to be endless things to learn about it.

Let me know if I can be of any additional help.

Regards,

Stisse

amino · 14th April 2008

Sherman is more of a distorsion box with builtin filters. It's not really for simple sweeps. As previous posters wrote, a lot of shit happens when you turn those knobs. If you're using the envelope followers you don't need even have to turn any knobs to make your sound alive and crazy.

Stisse · 14th April 2008

Agreed.

It's very easy to destroy the original signal and you have to work very carefully to retain original signal qualities.

robd · 14th April 2008

You can make it 24 db by synching the two filters. It's certainly possible to get undistorted and even fairly subtle sounds out of it, but it doesn't do "polite" very well. If you don't need it to be polite, I don't think you would regret getting one.

DarkPlasma · 14th April 2008

Yeah well the Sherman is defenitely experimental and god knows what can come out, out of that thing...But im going to keep my fingers crossed so the Mutator returns in the future with a 'multi-mode' filter

Thanks for the input guys!!

amino · 14th April 2008

If you've got the cash you certainly can't go wrong with the Schippman Ebbe und Flut.

DarkPlasma · 14th April 2008

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Originally Posted by amino

If you've got the cash you certainly can't go wrong with the Schippman Ebbe und Flut.

WOOOW dude that thing looks DIRTY!!!

Havnt checked it yet, but does it have MIDI?? lol

amino · 14th April 2008

It is a lot.

1499 Euro at Schneider's Buero in Germany.

1999 USD at Analogue Haven in the US.

DarkPlasma · 14th April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by amino

It is a lot.

1499 Euro at Schneider's Buero in Germany.

1999 USD at Analogue Haven in the US.

Damn. That thing looks INSAANE tho. never seen it before, cant wait to check it out!!!

DarkPlasma · 14th April 2008

Ok here is a question:

i DONT THINK it has MIDI, just checked the specs.

So I guess there would be no way to automate it, other than by hand?

amino · 14th April 2008

No problem. Just hook it up to a high quality MIDI->CV-converter. Kenton Pro 2000 or Encore Expressionist will be perfect. If you have a modular synth it will be even better, but I guess you don't.

DarkPlasma · 14th April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by amino

If you have a modular synth it will be even better, but I guess you don't.

Yeah you guessed right

So the way I would see it, I would hook up the CV from the Chipmann to the MIDI-CV converter and then automate all the parameters directly?

Sounds really simple to set up, except the converter is another 700 bones!

amino · 14th April 2008

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Originally Posted by n***N

So the way I would see it, I would hook up the CV from the Chipmann to the MIDI-CV converter and then automate all the parameters directly?

Naah, that's not how it works. You will only be able to control the parameters with CV inputs. The big advantage is that you'll have "unlimited" resolution with CV. You can do audio rate modulations and a lot of other stuff that will extend the possibilities dramatically, but that requires other CV equipment like modular synths or maybe one or two Moogerfoogers.

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Originally Posted by n***N

Sounds really simple to set up, except the converter is another 700 bones!

Well...I have mixed feelings about Schippman not including MIDI in Ebbe und Flut. Old MIDI is kind of an insult in such a nice filter, but at the same time...it is an expensive filter so... Still, it would have been quite a lot of extra work to include control of every parameter via MIDI. Now everything in the box is analog.

However I never use MIDI on my Mutator...and very rarely on my Sherman. And I really like the new Minimoog Old School.

DarkPlasma · 14th April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by amino

However I never use MIDI on my Mutator...and very rarely on my Sherman. And I really like the new Minimoog Old School.

Yeah ok this seems like too much work and also at the end after getting EVERYTHING for this filter this might come close to 4 Grand!! Im not willing to spend that much for an external filter.

Might as well wait for something else.

Thanks amino!

Doktorfuture · 15th April 2008

I've got 2 of these. (just cv)

Quote:

Originally Posted by amino

If you've got the cash you certainly can't go wrong with the Schippman Ebbe und Flut.

theque · 15th April 2008

also sherman is working on a new 'dj filter' which was previewed at muisc messe this year. so keep an eye out for that one.

DarkPlasma · 15th April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by theque

also sherman is working on a new 'dj filter' which was previewed at muisc messe this year. so keep an eye out for that one.

yeah thats what i mean!! i gotta stay on top of this stuff. Ok thats it, im getting a subscription to either Future Music or Sound on Sound. Nuff said.

amino · 15th April 2008

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Originally Posted by Doktorfuture

I've got 2 of these. (just cv)

Have you got two Ebbe and Fluts!?!? That's insane!

I guess we don't have to ask you whether or not you like them then.

Doktorfuture · 19th April 2008

They are nice. I wanted to do stereo filtering. Overkill is my standard policy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amino

Have you got two Ebbe and Fluts!?!? That's insane!

I guess we don't have to ask you whether or not you like them then.

cosmos · 19th April 2008

i dident read the thread from the beginning but i can say that thats an amazing piece of gear, you have to be very gentle with the knobs, with the right setting knowing what you do it does some amazing stuff .. buy one, take the time to learn it, you'll love it .

theque · 19th April 2008

sorry took a while to respond, here is the new sherman preview

http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6293

robd · 19th April 2008

I just watched the video, and I can't wait to hear what the other new project he's working on is. He said that the sherman is middle of the road, the new DJ filter is poppy, and his secret project is going to be crazy and experimental.

DarkPlasma · 19th April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by theque

sorry took a while to respond, here is the new sherman preview

Sonic State - News (Video Item) MESSE08: A Quick Sherman, The man behind the Sherman Filter Bank briefly shows us the Restyler DJ FX Station

Meh, no MIDI

Greg_KPX · 21st April 2008

the thing I like most about the Sherman are the extra noise and whining sounds it adds to the signal...

artisokka · 5th September 2010

Sherman website says:

"The Sherman Filterbank is now also midi controlable via kenton control freaks
(a small portable hardware console, including sliders)

All the finger-tip MIDI control you need, instantly to hand. Forget your mixer maps and do it all in real-time. An ideal solution for the gigging musician, or the musician who likes to save time & settings. The Kenton Control Freaks are made in the U.K., by Kenton, and are preprogrammed with profiles for the Sherman Filterbank as well. "

This REALLY got me interested! The problem is that Kenton control freak is not in production anymore. Is there a similar product? What do you use as a desktop midi controller for a Sherman FB2?

THEODICY · 5th September 2010

midi is midi.. just get a behringer bcr2000 and be done with it. or just automate from your sequencer..

rasseru · 5th September 2010

oooooh. new experimental filter from sherman? brilliant!

i love the fb2. im getting an e&f in a month or 2, and then the fb3 or whatever it is?

stike

i also need something to sate my lust for the 2040, but thats another thread

14th April 2008	#1
DarkPlasma Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,026 Thread Starter	Sherman Filterbank 2 Hi Guys, Wanted to get some more feedback on the Sherman. I heard samples and it sounds amazing...really phat and analog. Something that would compliment my gear perfactly. I have been after a really nice external filter for a while, and found the Mutronics Mutator and then found out it 'just' went out of production SOO looking at the Sherman...i have read some thoughts that it is very experimental and that 'achieving a simple sweep can be quite difficult'.. Does anyone here have one? Can you provide some input on that? Thanks a lot!

19th April 2008	#22
cosmos Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Red Sea, IL. Posts: 1,953	sherman filterbank 2 i dident read the thread from the beginning but i can say that thats an amazing piece of gear, you have to be very gentle with the knobs, with the right setting knowing what you do it does some amazing stuff .. buy one, take the time to learn it, you'll love it . __________________ DhArMa sOuND Psy Studio. Red-Sea Mastering studio, Eilat, IL.

21st April 2008	#26
Greg_KPX Gear addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 412	the thing I like most about the Sherman are the extra noise and whining sounds it adds to the signal... __________________ http://soundcloud.com/gregorys http://www.musicgearnuts.com/

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theque Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 87	yes a simple sweep is not so easy, and only 12 db. so if you are looking for something like a synthesisers filter not really the go. but it is crazy and weird but makes some nice sounds

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amino Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 641	Sherman is more of a distorsion box with builtin filters. It's not really for simple sweeps. As previous posters wrote, a lot of shit happens when you turn those knobs. If you're using the envelope followers you don't need even have to turn any knobs to make your sound alive and crazy.

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Stisse Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Very close to my neighbours, but far from my friends. Posts: 177	Agreed. It's very easy to destroy the original signal and you have to work very carefully to retain original signal qualities.

14th April 2008	#6
robd Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 799	You can make it 24 db by synching the two filters. It's certainly possible to get undistorted and even fairly subtle sounds out of it, but it doesn't do "polite" very well. If you don't need it to be polite, I don't think you would regret getting one.

14th April 2008	#10
amino Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 641	It is a lot. 1499 Euro at Schneider's Buero in Germany. 1999 USD at Analogue Haven in the US.

15th April 2008	#18
theque Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 87	also sherman is working on a new 'dj filter' which was previewed at muisc messe this year. so keep an eye out for that one.

5th September 2010	#27
artisokka Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 55	Sherman website says: "The Sherman Filterbank is now also midi controlable via kenton control freaks (a small portable hardware console, including sliders) All the finger-tip MIDI control you need, instantly to hand. Forget your mixer maps and do it all in real-time. An ideal solution for the gigging musician, or the musician who likes to save time & settings. The Kenton Control Freaks are made in the U.K., by Kenton, and are preprogrammed with profiles for the Sherman Filterbank as well. " This REALLY got me interested! The problem is that Kenton control freak is not in production anymore. Is there a similar product? What do you use as a desktop midi controller for a Sherman FB2?

5th September 2010	#28
THEODICY Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 94	midi is midi.. just get a behringer bcr2000 and be done with it. or just automate from your sequencer..

5th September 2010	#29
rasseru Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: synthi synth moog Posts: 766	oooooh. new experimental filter from sherman? brilliant! i love the fb2. im getting an e&f in a month or 2, and then the fb3 or whatever it is? stike i also need something to sate my lust for the 2040, but thats another thread