Anyone here tried the Jomox MBase01?

[jonnypowell]

I only just discovered this...

http://www.jomox.com/product_details...1&product_id=4

Looks really cool. I hate trolling through all my bass drum samples trying to find one that fits with a specific bass line/sound.
This could be the answer to all that.. Anyone heard the thing or have any opinions?

Jonny

[Retox7714]

Well, I have the XBase09, and I'm pretty damn impressed with the bass drum on that. You'll have a LOT of control in shaping the sound, and at $300, it's worth it!

Check out a pretty cool vid here.
Towards the end, they throw an LFO in the mix with some pretty rad results!

[FBM]

Hi, Yes I use it with my MachineDrum and think it can produce the best kicks I have ever heard!!!
Greetings Dvid

[freshmints]

killer tool
fattest bassdrums on the planet
and quite cheap too

[jonnypowell]

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

Call me nuts, but it just seems like it would be better served as sample fodder. Just grab one, sample the hell out of it, and throw it back.

Yeah true, but sometimes you need to specifically shape/tune a kick drum to your bass. I know this can be done in a sampler, but I find you get better results when it's done from the source..

[bluemoon]

Originally Posted by jonnypowell

Yeah true, but sometimes you need to specifically shape/tune a kick drum to your bass. I know this can be done in a sampler, but I find you get better results when it's done from the source..

true and it's really useful to have that kind of control to blend the kick with the bass. I think sampling works better for snares and hats that usually only need pitch and decay tweakings.

I have the 888 and it's the best synth kick I've ever heard out of a box.

great for sub lines as well.

[huggie]

I have one... Great range off analog kick sounds can be easily created from this machine... Can benefit from a bit of dirt though... I like to push it hard through a tube pre before it hits my computer... The price is definitely right too...

Regards
Hugo

[flex nes]

Can it do 909?

I would be very suprised if it could

[squigg]

I have both the Xbase 09 and the Mbase 09.
The Mbase decay is amazing. It makes some of the best kicks i have ever heard, and the widest range of kicks as well. Unfortunately you cant sweep the sounds like you can on the Xbase without zipper sounds.
On the other hand, I will never sell either of them. The range that they both produce is rather devastating.

[cl516]

Can the Mbase01 make super long decay so that it sounds like a sustained synth bass note?

[mikecook]

Originally Posted by flex nes

Can it do 909?

I would be very suprised if it could

what year are we in? 909's are ol skool. However, it does a pretty good 909 and 808 emulation which can be blended.

[Mans]

I bought one but returned it after a couple of days. Most of the values range from 0 - 255 but changes between 0 - 30 and 30 - 60 and so on, are really not that noticable. Problem is you have to scroll through all these values with a really slow knob. It gets boring quick. And the sound is not constant on every hit. This is of course normal behaviour with an analog generated kick but this thing fluctuates way more than a 909 for example. Especially the 'click'.

[living sounds]

I had one for a few months and sold it agian. It totally lacks the nice, fast midrange/high bass attack that makes the 909 or even the 808 punch through the mix that well. The MBase01 has a lot of low end, but in the crucial areas it sounds very 'wannabe' to my ears. I've got an Airbase99 which is much more useable. Both cannot compete with my 808 kickdrum.

[mikecook]

Originally Posted by Mans

I bought one but returned it after a couple of days. Most of the values range from 0 - 255 but changes between 0 - 30 and 30 - 60 and so on, are really not that noticable. Problem is you have to scroll through all these values with a really slow knob. It gets boring quick. And the sound is not constant on every hit. This is of course normal behaviour with an analog generated kick but this thing fluctuates way more than a 909 for example. Especially the 'click'.

The scroll wheel on this thing is rediculous. It's my only complaint about the box. However, you can get around this by using an external controller. I have a map made for my Novation Compact which works amazing. I have 8 knobs to control every paramter in realtime. As for the sound changing, just bounce it to audio. stike

[mikecook]

Originally Posted by living sounds

I had one for a few months and sold it agian. It totally lacks the nice, fast midrange/high bass attack that makes the 909 or even the 808 punch through the mix that well. The MBase01 has a lot of low end, but in the crucial areas it sounds very 'wannabe' to my ears. I've got an Airbase99 which is much more useable. Both cannot compete with my 808 kickdrum.

layering is key to any kick.

[living sounds]

Originally Posted by mikecook

layering is key to any kick.

Some layer well, others don't. The MBase01 was more in the latter department.

[mikecook]

I've never had problems layering the Mbase. I generally use it for bottom end duties, and I get fantastic results. Of course this is just my opinion, which in the end doesn't mean jack sh*t. I'd love to hear the Airbase boxes though. I'm curious to hear how different the kicks are.

[Popbott]

You know that static popping sound a loud amp makes when you pull a guitar chord out of it? That what the MBase sounds like. It sounds NOTHING like a real TR-909, not even close. Can we call this an emulation? I don't think so people, it just sounds too different IMO. I tried processing the MB though some nice class a pre's, eq's and compressors, couldn't get the sound I wanted. Tried it on some dance tracks I was mixing at the time and I just could not get it to sit right in the mix. I dunno, I didn't even want to sample it, I sold it. I really wanted to like it.

[greenears]

I use Mbase on every one of my tracks. It is used for the bottom of all my kicks and I layer a pop on top. Can use it with or without compression, depending on how I tweak it. Being able to adjust the pitch or decay just enough to sit perfect with the bass is poetry.

Get it.

[rids]

I think the main problem with the people that don't like it is that they have a predefined kick drum already in their head and they won't let go of it.

What you read here, from the people who like it and the people who don't, is mostly bias. The MBase is not a 909 and does not sound like it, but can get decently close enough. The 909 has a great kick drum sound. The MBase has a great kick drum sound. They are both different. Anyone that puts down the kick drum in the Mbase is basically pointing out the fact that they want to use a 909 kick. The MBase is different and sounds great on it's own. Preconceived thoughts by 909 users aren't welcome. It does no good to say that the MBase is not a 909. Or I could not get it to cut like the 909 in my mix. What does that mean? It means that it's not a 909 and you should be using a 909 if that is what you are shooting for in the first place. If you ever get an open mind about having a different kick in your music, then give the MBase the spot because it's a great kick. There are other great ones like the 808, but these are all different flavors. And for those not wanting to spend over 1000 on a TR machine and don't have to replicate a 909 or 808, then the MBase is a 'can't go wrong' machine.

I've said it before and will say it again: at this price, every studio should have the MBase as your main kick or alternative.

This is coming from someone who really really likes the 909 kick, I think it's one of the best out there imo. But the MBase is fabulous.

[mikecook]

^^^^^^ well said. thumbsup

[Popbott]

Originally Posted by rids

I think the main problem with the people that don't like it is that they have a predefined kick drum already in their head and they won't let go of it.

What you read here, from the people who like it and the people who don't, is mostly bias. The MBase is not a 909 and does not sound like it, but can get decently close enough. The 909 has a great kick drum sound. The MBase has a great kick drum sound. They are both different. Anyone that puts down the kick drum in the Mbase is basically pointing out the fact that they want to use a 909 kick. The MBase is different and sounds great on it's own. Preconceived thoughts by 909 users aren't welcome. It does no good to say that the MBase is not a 909. Or I could not get it to cut like the 909 in my mix. What does that mean? It means that it's not a 909 and you should be using a 909 if that is what you are shooting for in the first place. If you ever get an open mind about having a different kick in your music, then give the MBase the spot because it's a great kick. There are other great ones like the 808, but these are all different flavors. And for those not wanting to spend over 1000 on a TR machine and don't have to replicate a 909 or 808, then the MBase is a 'can't go wrong' machine.

I've said it before and will say it again: at this price, every studio should have the MBase as your main kick or alternative.

This is coming from someone who really really likes the 909 kick, I think it's one of the best out there imo. But the MBase is fabulous.

Why wouldn't preconceived thoughts by 909 users not be welcome? For those looking for an alternative to a 909, they should know before they spend their hard earned cash that a crappy MBase is no substitute. The web site itself states "it covers the whole range from 909-style to 808-fashioned".

There is just no way an MBase can sound as good as taking a real TR-909 and processing it with nice high end gear. IMO, it's not the same. There is a reason users pay top dollar to own the use of a raw 909. If you like the way a loud static *pop* sounds when you jack a quarter inch cable out of a loud amp, this is the sound of the MBase. There is only way you "can't go wrong" with an MBase - don't buy one.

[DGTom]

Jomox are the ones making the 909 comparisons, if they didn't want their box compared to the 909/808 they shouldn't make that claim. Its totally valid for users to comment on this.

I thought about one for awhile, had a little bid on a used one that came up locally, but the demos didn't really sound great & I was really made suspicous by the 'it can do 808 & 909' claims. I'm not much of a techy but I've got a basic handle on how the electronics for those sounds work & they are very, very differant, so much so I doubt very much that one design could do both - if it could make both sounds at the same time, then maybe I'd be convinced, because you would need 2 circuits.

I wanted 808 kicks, I got this;

8008 Bass

Man am I glad I did!

[rids]

Originally Posted by Popbott

Why wouldn't preconceived thoughts by 909 users not be welcome? For those looking for an alternative to a 909, they should know before they spend their hard earned cash that a crappy MBase is no substitute. The web site itself states "it covers the whole range from 909-style to 808-fashioned".

There is just no way an MBase can sound as good as taking a real TR-909 and processing it with nice high end gear. IMO, it's not the same. There is a reason users pay top dollar to own the use of a raw 909. If you like the way a loud static *pop* sounds when you jack a quarter inch cable out of a loud amp, this is the sound of the MBase. There is only way you "can't go wrong" with an MBase - don't buy one.

The only reason why I used the words not welcome is because it's basically knocking the Mbase as a legitimate kick drum. Jomox states it's a 909 style, not a clone. It can't be a 909, but most people won't really care that it is not. It is it's own sound, but can do 909 styled kicks and might be suitable for a lot of people as their kick drum. Obviously for you it's not, but I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I respect your fondness of the 909. I just don't think it's fair to jab at it for not being a 909. Every company always will market their product as being able to do certain sounds. Romplers always have these types of descriptions in their ads. Is the JP8000 a replacement for the JP8, or the JP6 for the JP8? No, but the JP8000 sounds quite good but doesn't sound analog or nearly as sweet as a JP8, but it does it's own thing well.

For bashing the MBase as a crappy 909 and comparable to pulling out the plug of an amp is ridiculous and doesn't have any merit. Does anyone else hear that? That's a superimposed opinion. I agree that it should be pointed out that the MBase is not a 909 replacement, but the MBase slighting doesn't have a justified place.

Everyone knows the 909 and 808, that's the only reason why everyone compares a kick to them. Who says a 909 is better than another kick... it's nice, but we're talking aesthetics here.

Originally Posted by DGTom

I wanted 808 kicks, I got this;

8008 Bass

Man am I glad I did!

Is this in Euro format? How close to an 808 is it or is it not?

[Mans]

Originally Posted by greenears

I use Mbase on every one of my tracks. It is used for the bottom of all my kicks and I layer a pop on top. Can use it with or without compression, depending on how I tweak it. Being able to adjust the pitch or decay just enough to sit perfect with the bass is poetry.

Get it.

This can be done with any synth too.

[darrenmd]

I find it works well in some songs and others it dosnt,Its good to have on hand,I use it in a number of tracks and its a winner.

[living sounds]

Originally Posted by Popbott

You know that static popping sound a loud amp makes when you pull a guitar chord out of it? That what the MBase sounds like. It sounds NOTHING like a real TR-909, not even close. Can we call this an emulation? I don't think so people, it just sounds too different IMO. I tried processing the MB though some nice class a pre's, eq's and compressors, couldn't get the sound I wanted. Tried it on some dance tracks I was mixing at the time and I just could not get it to sit right in the mix. I dunno, I didn't even want to sample it, I sold it. I really wanted to like it.

My experience exactly.

[living sounds]

Originally Posted by rids

I think the main problem with the people that don't like it is that they have a predefined kick drum already in their head and they won't let go of it.

What you read here, from the people who like it and the people who don't, is mostly bias. The MBase is not a 909 and does not sound like it, but can get decently close enough. The 909 has a great kick drum sound. The MBase has a great kick drum sound. They are both different. Anyone that puts down the kick drum in the Mbase is basically pointing out the fact that they want to use a 909 kick. The MBase is different and sounds great on it's own. Preconceived thoughts by 909 users aren't welcome. It does no good to say that the MBase is not a 909. Or I could not get it to cut like the 909 in my mix. What does that mean? It means that it's not a 909 and you should be using a 909 if that is what you are shooting for in the first place. If you ever get an open mind about having a different kick in your music, then give the MBase the spot because it's a great kick. There are other great ones like the 808, but these are all different flavors. And for those not wanting to spend over 1000 on a TR machine and don't have to replicate a 909 or 808, then the MBase is a 'can't go wrong' machine.

I've said it before and will say it again: at this price, every studio should have the MBase as your main kick or alternative.

This is coming from someone who really really likes the 909 kick, I think it's one of the best out there imo. But the MBase is fabulous.

For me it was never about sounding like a 909. It was about a kick that sounds great and fits well in a mix. I've tried to achieve this with the MBase01 on it's own as well as using it with a lot of great outboard gear - no chance. It just didn't work.

[living sounds]

Originally Posted by rids

Everyone knows the 909 and 808, that's the only reason why everyone compares a kick to them. Who says a 909 is better than another kick... it's nice, but we're talking aesthetics here.

The reason everyone knows the 808 and 909 is because they work so well. Not the other way around. They're just fabulously musical sounds.

[7161]

did you try zaps STOMPER for kiks?

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