LinnDrum II - Roger Linn & Dave Smith

[NoiseLab56309]

Something I look forward to:
Linndrum II Drum Machine

[zebastian21]

Damn sexy....will start saving my pennies from now on

[roginator]

whelll easy to drawit buT

will be hard to make it sound like original lindrums

if it will produce sound big as early linn and sequential drums wich I have I will buy it...

[slipstytch]

Ahh yes....the drooling continues. Sounds like they are taking great care in it's design...I hope that it gets the best features of the original, is dumb simple to use, has plenty of outs and a performance oriented OS.

[roginator]

on this box GREAT FEATURE of old linn drums is MISSING....

MIXER..


MESSAGE to creators...add minimum 10 outputs
AND 10 CH MIXER !!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS IMPORTANT!!!!!!! and that is part of ORIGINAL LINN DESIGN!!!

THIS LOOKS TO ME more like "SEQUENTIAL studio 440 II" than LINN Drum II

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by roginator

THIS LOOKS TO ME more like "SEQUENTIAL studio 440 II" than LINN Drum II

depends on the filter i guess. i like the way they've gone with it.

[alexp]

This is silly.


Why would they attempt to recreate an early digital drum machine, and then put ANALOGUE in big letters on the thing.....

And no mixer as on the original? Whats up with that? Thats half the reason I want a Linn Drum.

I say fail. Obviously Roger Linn needs the money.

[aeonsound]

Originally Posted by dave smith

There will be two models: the all-digital LinnDrum II and the LinnDrum II Analog, which adds a 4-voice analog synth and 27 dual-function voicing knobs.

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[paultools]

I hope you can connect it to a VGA monitor.
Most of that are old enough to appreciate a Linn don't see so well anymore!

[ignatius]

they aren't even shipping for at least 6 months so i'm sure they are tweaking the features/design still.

[terrytee]

man they changed that around, i remember when my anticipation looked like this
kind of indisisive

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2812/boomchikno2.jpg

[disturb]

what are your pricing guesstimates for the analog model ?

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by roginator

whelll easy to drawit buT

will be hard to make it sound like original lindrums

if it will produce sound big as early linn and sequential drums wich I have I will buy it...

True the linn drum certainly kick it out. I had my hands on a linn drum and an sp12 they both had a huge sound and great bottom end. But i was wondering if that has anything to do with the sound of an eprom? I have done a bench test type thing between the linndrum, sp12 and sp1200 about a year ago to see which one had the biggest sound. The linn came out on top followed by the sp12 but the sp1200, loaded sample machine, which was using the same kit as 12 but sounded tiny in caparison. Could this have been the difference an eprom makes or was it just a sign of badly sampled stock kits. Anyway i will be saving up if sounds as big as linndrum.

[nick x0x]

Originally Posted by terrytee

True the linn drum certainly kick it out. I had my hands on a linn drum and an sp12 they both had a huge sound and great bottom end. But i was wondering if that has anything to do with the sound of an eprom? I have done a bench test type thing between the linndrum, sp12 and sp1200 about a year ago to see which one had the biggest sound. The linn came out on top followed by the sp12 but the sp1200, loaded sample machine, which was using the same kit as 12 but sounded tiny in caparison. Could this have been the difference an eprom makes or was it just a sign of badly sampled stock kits. Anyway i will be saving up if sounds as big as linndrum.

i think it has more to do w/ the d/a converters and op-amps in the analog stages.

[terrytee]

Originally Posted by nick x0x

i think it has more to do w/ the d/a converters and op-amps in the analog stages.

So then the original d/a converters used for the eproms must have been different than ones internally in the machine, as the 12 & 1200 seem to be the same apart from the eproms. A ah

[nofi]

Originally Posted by DivineChemical

It's lost all it's sex appeal and replaced it with a puny 16mb sample RAM. I also vote fail.

16MB RAM is not a problem at all, when you're dealing with drum hits. How much sample memory do you think an original linndrum has? most of my drum sample kits in my 2000xl are a hundred or so k. they could be smaller if I bothered to trim them.

anyway....


I'm very interested in the idea of a drum machine that isn't an x0x wannabe, and also isn't trying to be everything plus the kitchen sink. But lack of a mixer section (or at least basic dedicated level controls for each voice) is sad. And calling it linndrum II really sucks.

[Edward]

A bit gutting innit?

The thing I am hoping is that you can somehow select the bit depth and sampling frequency of the sampling, and disable the filter. For me most of the lushness of the LM1 is the aliasing you get when you pitch the sounds down caused by the lack of filtering low-quality samples.
This combined with th fact that despite being low-quality, the samples were very good! High quality low quiality if you know what i mean.

Terry Tee, the SP12 outputs are different to those of the SP1200
In fact the SP12 outputs are even different to one another:

Channels 1 & 2 have an SSM2044 with an AR envelope.
Channels 3 -6 have a lowpass filter and for some reason 5&6 sound slightly different to 3&4.
Channels 7 & 8 have no filter.

On the 1200 you can choose whether or not to use the filters by wiring your cables to either the tip or the ring of a stereo jack.

The LM-1 has no filter at all.

The SP1200 has a lower sampling rate than the SP12 in order to increase the sampling time.

[sleestack]

You are saying the sp12 had more bass than the sp1200 with the same samples?

[sleestack]

I wish they would do an update to the r8. It would be great if someone made more sound cards for it.

[terrytee]

hi edward am already aware of the ring and tip issue that removes the filters, the set up of the channels for filtering is same on both machines apart from 3,4,5&6 are filtered to a constant amount on 1200. I think the issue in sound may just be that the eproms may have been sampled using higher quality hardware. (good pre-amps will do it)

[sleestack]

I just read about the Oberheim Prommer. Pretty cool. I didn't know you could do that

[Jazzpunk]

Call me crazy but I am going to withhold judgement until I actually hear the damn thing (crazy I know!).

[roginator]

I dont like this last few years HYPE regarding second generations or copies or....of old machines..for example

Prophet 08
LInndrum II
Voyager

all trieing to recreate sound of old originals...fuuck

they sound more worst every next product they made

just keeping name for marketing sake is stupid!!!!!

[Ken Walker]

Originally Posted by roginator

on this box GREAT FEATURE of old linn drums is MISSING....

MIXER..


MESSAGE to creators...add minimum 10 outputs
AND 10 CH MIXER !!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS IMPORTANT!!!!!!! and that is part of ORIGINAL LINN DESIGN!!!

THIS LOOKS TO ME more like "SEQUENTIAL studio 440 II" than LINN Drum II

I'm with you on this. Heck, I'd settle for 6 outputs, just like my old Sequential machine. Four outputs? Might as well stick with my DR880.

[goldphinga]

Originally Posted by roginator

I dont like this last few years HYPE regarding second generations or copies or....of old machines..for example

Prophet 08
LInndrum II
Voyager

all trieing to recreate sound of old originals...fuuck

they sound more worst every next product they made

just keeping name for marketing sake is stupid!!!!!

All you have to judge is this prerelease spec and pic. It would be unwise to write of the Linndrum 2 before you hear it. Also dont you think they have released the pic and pre-specs for exactly this reason? We are doing the beta testing by giving our opinions on forums such as this and vintagesynth.com/harmony-central.com. DSI and Linn are testing the water to see what people want and what they do and dont like. Its clever if you ask me.

As for the voyager and prophet 8. I own a voyager and have used the prophet 8 extensively (i reviewed it for Future Music mag) and they are both worthy successors to the originals. They werent meant to sound exactly the same as the originals anyway, just have some of the mojo and character with a more modern sound and feature set AND reliability. They are both amazing instruments in their own right and id take a voyager over an original mini anyday as its so much more versatile in terms of sound and features and to my ears sounds every bit as good JUST DIFFERENT!!!

Maybe its best to stop getting hung up on things not being as good as the originals and appreciate what is being done to evolve things to make them relevant to todays studios. Im sure the Linndrum 2 will be rockin.

Rant over

Peas

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[Fredrik]

To me the mixer section is not that important, I assume that you can still set the levels of the sounds like on a mpc. The UI is the most important to me apart from the sound, it should be fast and stupid easy.

Edit: There suppose to be a model without the synth section aswell as posted in another thread.

Matrixsynth: The LinnDrum II

[cajonezzz]

The Linn 9000 Homepage *sigh*

Forat 9000 *sigh*

Forat F16 Sampler


Miss them all.

[pyvnd]

My interest will depend on how well integrated the analog side is with the digital side. I require at least 2 midi outs, and I will need for it to have a kick-ass sequencer (yamaha grade) that can sequence a couple of external modules too. Then you've got yourself a real deal hardware studio vs. just a good drum machine.

[nofi]

Originally Posted by pyvnd

My interest will depend on how well integrated the analog side is with the digital side. I require at least 2 midi outs, and I will need for it to have a kick-ass sequencer (yamaha grade) that can sequence a couple of external modules too. Then you've got yourself a real deal hardware studio vs. just a good drum machine.

interesting viewpoint. I'm from the other side of the fence.

I already have gear that works as a great workstation and I'm massive;y happy with (mpc2000! woooo!)

basically, for me to be interested in the linndrum II it would need to be a beautifuy integrated, well designed drum machine, and NOTHING else.

I'm getting really sick of gear that tries to be everything, and just makes it'self a lame pile of compromise.

[Greg_KPX]

Originally Posted by nofi

I'm getting really sick of gear that tries to be everything, and just makes it'self a lame pile of compromise.

agreed!