Justice!!!!!

[Pollyrythm]

Hi,

Has anyone got any ideas into how Justice are Glitching there beats/vocals/everything in general?

Iv attached a few audio examples.

Iv heard lots about Lucifer etc however I think this may be more Kontackt based?. The quality & precision of the edits is really impressive & as far as im aware, there's no program that can do it as well as the old manual cut & paste job. Which takes for ever of course, yet the results are much better??

Iv got a copy of Suppatrigger & Live Cut, but they are driven off random values. Im looking for something that I can program, if it exists?.

All help appreciated.

[wagz]

i'd like some tips on this, too

[groovepusher]

Well, I dont know for sure what they are using, but I can tell ya that Ableton live has a host plugin, its called beat repeat. And its very similar. Its a very cool/creative effect.
Here is an example movie from there site

http://www.ableton.com/_common/downl...eat_repeat.mov

[bleepbleep]

its very simple - no plug-ins required,


just get your audio file of the vocal, stick it into a sampler like kontakt

put the start point right up to the point in the vocal that you want to play it back from - then trigger it with midi -
you can play with the length, amp envelope release times etc to get the effects

also put the whole vocal phrase into the sampler several times so it can be triggered from several different keys, and then on each key you can adjust the start point to align with a different word or part of a word - whatever sounds cool


if you want to do it a more technically advanced way, that is also fun try this

take off any midi velocity - to - volume mapping that might be going on

asign velocity - to - sample start point -
now you can use different velocity levels to playback the vocals at various points in the phrase just by programming specific velocity levels.
there's actually loads of amazing effects you can get using this method - if you got the time to experiment

see if that works for you

- btw -example 2 is vocoding - so you will need a vocoder or vocoder plug-in to get the basic sound quality to make the samples with

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by bleepbleep

its very simple - no plug-ins required,


just get your audio file of the vocal, stick it into a sampler like kontakt

put the start point right up to the point in the vocal that you want to play it back from - then trigger it with midi -
you can play with the length, amp envelope release times etc to get the effects

also put the whole vocal phrase into the sampler several times so it can be triggered from several different keys, and then on each key you can adjust the start point to align with a different word or part of a word - whatever sounds cool


if you want to do it a more technically advanced way, that is also fun try this

take off any midi velocity - to - volume mapping that might be going on

asign velocity - to - sample start point -
now you can use different velocity levels to playback the vocals at various points in the phrase just by programming specific velocity levels.
there's actually loads of amazing effects you can get using this method - if you got the time to experiment

see if that works for you

- btw -example 2 is vocoding - so you will need a vocoder or vocoder plug-in to get the basic sound quality to make the samples with

Hey Bleep, thanks for your input.

Yeh I picked up on the Vocoding, iv got 2 hardware units, so I'll give those a try. I was just qurious on the programming side & it appears Kontackt's got some great ways of doing this. TBH i haven’t really got my head around Knotackt yet. Iv been using the EXS 24, but Kontackt seems to have greater capabilites when it comes to these techniques.

The examples iv posted seem to have repeats of various parts of the track, so will I need to load 10 or so copies of the vocal into Kontackt to get the same effect?. Or can you load 1 copy, set region loop points & assign them to different keys & Aux channels? Im assuming pitch will then come into the picture, if I have to assign sample sections to different keys?

Can you just disable the pitch so the root of the sample plays across all keys???

Thanks!

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by groovepusher

Well, I dont know for sure what they are using, but I can tell ya that Ableton live has a host plugin, its called beat repeat. And its very similar. Its a very cool/creative effect.
Here is an example movie from there site

http://www.ableton.com/_common/downl...eat_repeat.mov

Yeh beat repeat looks rad!. Im actually keen to have a closer look at Ableton, they seem to have some really cleaver little features. Im using it for DJ'ing almost exclusively, but in terms of production iv got no idea what it offers.

[bleepbleep]

when i have done this kind of vocal tricks in my productions i assign each word to its own key - i disable pitch, so it doesnt go higher or lower. Then - i do the modulation trick - assign velocity - to - sample start point, and disable velocity- volume, which tends to be a default on samplers. this gives me maximum flexability for stuttering effects. Kontakt is a great sampler for this, EXS24 is not so great, you can set start points for each sample, but off the top of my head, i dont think you can modulate the start point with velocity. A also like to experiment mith AMP envelope release to vary it betweem hard and staccato, and overlapping echoing effects.

also sending vocals out of different AUX channels means we can add special effects, and eqs to different parts

Have Fun

[wafze]

sounds like they are only cutting there vocal samples up and repositioning them in a new way their edit window.

i think its mainly audio cutting and repositioning

[hampus lundgren]

In ableton, you can also drag clips or slices frpm the arrange view into the built in simpler,sampler or impulse and play them like an instrument. Kind of the same as editing start points.

[damien]

I like the illformed glitcher VST, it's very efficient and programable step by step. You can get nice random cutups on your beat that is really close to what you want.
I think it's the same used by Para one and feadz for Uffies sounds.

http://illformed.org/glitch/

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by damien

I like the illformed glitcher VST, it's very efficient and programable step by step. You can get nice random cutups on your beat that is really close to what you want.
I think it's the same used by Para one and feadz for Uffies sounds.

http://illformed.org/glitch/

F**K! its windows only. Im a mac. Thanks anyway!

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by wafze

sounds like they are only cutting there vocal samples up and repositioning them in a new way their edit window.

i think its mainly audio cutting and repositioning

Yeh I think this may be the way as well, but im sure there's some sort of sampler interaction involved. It would take a long time to get the sample so precise when doing it this way!

[Pollyrythm]

Can anyone who knows anything about Kontackt 2 please have a look at this?

When you are in the Loop Editor, there's a yellow loop repeat, or span distance type thing that covers the audio file. I want to know how I can automate this so I can drag the loop span to get the cool effects.

When I go to "Auto" in Kontackt, it ask's you to click on one of the automation assignments & drag a knob or fader. Unfortunately it doesn’t register anything when I move the loop distance.

Maybe this is going to have to be an old school tape job, or recording it into Logic manually! That’s been a while!

[FinishMedia]

Phatmatik pro! http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/phatmatik/

This plugin rules.

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by FinishMedia

Phatmatik pro! http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/phatmatik/

This plugin rules.

Hey, is there any difference between PHATnatic & Kontackt? I thought they essentially did the same thing?

[sergioelectro]

Hey nice thread with great artist !!!!


I was more wondering on the distortion they use on their bass in tracks like "waters of nazareth "!

Got idea

It sounds crazy and dirty !!


Peace

Sergio

[7 Hz]

Originally Posted by Pollyrythm

Yeh I think this may be the way as well, but im sure there's some sort of sampler interaction involved. It would take a long time to get the sample so precise when doing it this way!

Naa, surely not. Record to clicktrack, then cut+paste to quantised 8th notes or whatever. Doesn't sound any more complicated than that to me.

I will refrain from any musical critique of your examples, only to say it does not float my boat at all.

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

I will refrain from any musical critique of your examples, only to say it does not float my boat at all.

Musical critique of my examples?

[xist]

I tend to agree with bleepbleep, it seems a "classic" sampler related technique.

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by xist

I tend to agree with bleepbleep, it seems a "classic" sampler related technique.

Yeh im sure of it now. Its more the technique behind it now, ie the way in which they may be doing it. There's a few ways to go about it when you look at it.

Thanks for everyone's help

[theoryinmotion]

Quite a few glitches in my new track.... check our myspace to check them out.

It's called "Ride"

http://www.myspace.com/theoryinmotion

[sergioelectro]

Originally Posted by sergioelectro

Hey nice thread with great artist !!!!


I was more wondering on the distortion they use on their bass in tracks like "waters of nazareth "!

Got idea

It sounds crazy and dirty !!


Peace

Sergio

Nobody have any idea on the kind of distortion they use on their bass and leads ? ? ? ?? ?


Thanks

Sergio

[damien]

Originally Posted by sergioelectro

Nobody have any idea on the kind of distortion they use on their bass and leads ? ? ? ?? ?


Thanks

Sergio

I really don't think they use hardware.
They should work with DAW's like Ableton live to make stretched tempo changes and cutups like they often do.
So try the ableton live distortion unit saturator or Dynamic Tube, or try something easy like the one on the waldorf D-pole filter it's really close to that.

[Led]

Sounds like cutting and pasting to me because you can hear the dc offset in example 3. Malcom Mclaren was doing this sort of thing in the early eighties. I think he used the AMS DMX for it.

[jgrif08]

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

I will refrain from any musical critique of your examples...

How noble of you.

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by jgrif08

How noble of you.

Tell me about it.

[freshmints]

check out this tool
http://illformed.org/glitch/
made this demo tune within 10 mins
i think the whole ed banger stuff was just made with this plugin

[Pollyrythm]

Originally Posted by freshmints

check out this tool
http://illformed.org/glitch/
made this demo tune within 10 mins
i think the whole ed banger stuff was just made with this plugin

Yeh but its Windows only :( im on OSX

[freshmints]

you can run windowns with bootcam these days
nice way to use both au and vst

[AgentSanchez]

Originally Posted by sergioelectro

Nobody have any idea on the kind of distortion they use on their bass and leads ? ? ? ?? ?


Thanks

Sergio

I was able to create that 'crunch' in the bassline that you hear in alot of Justice tracks in reason using the Malstrom with the sawtooth*16 oscillators and by playing with the motion. Are there any hardware synths that can do something similar?